I take no credit for this. Non of these are my rumours, just reading from other forums since I don't see anything on Dakka. Sorry for not updating earlier.
Wow, I am shocked, I don't see any Black Templar Rumours here on Dakka Dakka. Was on B&C and it directed me to Warseer for the
BT rumouors. So since I don't go there very often and come here alost everyday, lets discuss about the
BT here. If by any chance there is a
BT rumour page and I missed it, can anyone direct me to it please since I don't see one.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324214 link to Warseer.
Updated: 22-11-2011
Ghost has said that
BT are due out before Tau, presumably the next codex. He also said
Originally Posted by ghost21
due to them sitting done for nearly 8 months?... n honestly sword brethren are nice
I believe therefore that the Black Templars should have their own rumor thread rather than cluttering up the other rumor threads. I invite Ghost, as well as any others with information to share to post it here.
First update (thank you for the advice Shabbadoo)
And thank you ghost21 for these rumors!
Originally Posted by ghost21
kits for sword brethren n nophytes(sp) as ive said im more of a xenos guy but ill provide what i know, vows are less restrictive
i also saw things for something called knights of the inner circle (or something along those lines).. they were named each came from a successor chapter, n the guy who lead them was a
bt... it was interesting but as usual salt applies
More
Originally Posted by Mirbeau
Not as big! But more bizarre! (unless you play fantasy...). That's most of what I know about it. Speculating from that - big buffing thing with a howdah ?!
A bit more for now - in regards to the 'neophytes' (if they continue with that name), I heard they were finecast. Whilst it would leave room for another plastic kit, I hope this isn't true.
Dark Angels are not at all on my radar, doesn't mean they aren't happening anytime soon, but I haven't heard a thing, if ghost's heard anything it is likely to do with black templars.
Conflicting rumors here
Originally Posted by Lord Commissar Aquila
4.
CSM will get one of the newest dexes in 6th, right after the Marine dex.
5. Tau and
BT will get a release soon after
CSM; other races updated in 5th will not be updated in 6th as their rules (at least from Guard onwards) are allready suited for 6th. Ward will probably do the
BT and might do Tau as well.
DA will probably not be updated anytime soon, because its not a popular army and
GW does not want to waste money updating one or more armies that almost no one plays with a separate dex.
Old rumor from Jordankeeps at DakkaDakka
link
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum...60/361666.page
"Phill kelly is going to write the
Bt codex, so that should be great oh and new units added for
bt as well. by Jared van Kell
Quote
A little but nothing solid. What I have heard.
- Phil Kelly is writing the Codex.
- More emphasis on the horde aspect of the army with lots of large units of Initiates and Neophytes.
- Emperors Champion is more in line with the company champion of the Grey Knights but is still 2 wounds. Gains preferred enemy against independent characters and monstrous creatures.
I will let you know as I hear more.
by Jared van Kell
Quote
Some additional bits.
- I forgot to mention the Rightous Zeal rule could be changing to be more along the lines of the Rage
USR. Something along the lines of if they fail a
Ld test then they are subject to Rage and must advance towards the nearest enemy unit. As yet the details are sketchy.
- All the current special characters (ie: Helbrect and Grimaldius) will remain. Also I had heard of an mention of a special character who is like the greatest of all of the Emperor's Champions and the greatest warrior in the Black Templars. I had heard mention of a bike mounted special character with a lance like weapon but I cannot confirm this yet. "
Originally Posted by superdupermatt
Certain units to get Rage
USR is one I've heard repeatedly. (foolishly didn't see the first post... oops!)
Sword Brethren are to get a special rule where when they are assaulted the enemy unit has to re-roll all* successful hits, at the expense of 1 attack. It's called "parry".
Land Raiders, when suffering a 5 or 6 on the damage chart* (so "wrecked" or "destroyed") gets one more turn where it rampage, think along the lines of the machine spirit going bezerk.
No horses as far as I am aware, bikes would be the direction (if any at all) for riding knights.
There is a named Emperor's Champion, he's meant to be the longest living
EC in the Black Templars history, or somesuch.
*I'll seek clarification as it doesn't quite seem right in my head.
*edit* Dec 12 2011
From Stickymonky on Warseer.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327436
My sources are giving me the following general timelines of codex releases
2012
Q1/2 - tau (or flipped w
BT)
Q2/3 -
BT ( possible
WD codex)
Q3 - 6 Ed
Q3/4 - eldar
2013 getting fuzzy
Q1 -
SM
Q2/3 - chaos legions (new)
Q4 -
ig or orks!
2014. So much could change...no order given
Daemons
Nids
DA?
This is a long way out, and a lot could change, but we know the studio has long lead times.
Cheers, Merry Christmas.
*edit* Dec 30/2011
Here is some more rumours I found at B&C.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=242736 from
Th!rdeye. I believe most of them are reported, but too tired right now, to see what is and wasn't said. So I don't leave anything here is.
I figured this would be a good thread considering we are getting a good bunch of rumours coming in. So i will be collecting each rumour that springs up from Dakka, Warseer and the like and posting them here.
If you have ANY thing i missed i will gladly add it in, or if you have an anonymous rumor (unlikely)
PM me and i'll put it up.
So here it is. Let me know if i missed something or you have another rumor.
ghost21 from Warseer
QUOTE
due to them sitting done for nearly 8 months?... n honestly sword brethren are nice
ghost21 from Warseer
QUOTE
kits for sword brethren n nophytes(sp) as ive said im more of a xenos guy but ill provide what i know, vows are less restrictive
i also saw things for something called knights of the inner circle (or something along those lines).. they were named each came from a successor chapter, n the guy who lead them was a
bt... it was interesting but as usual salt applies
ghost21 from Warseer
QUOTE
relic dreadnaughts, like a mobile requiary bearer... is what i had heard
Mirbeau from Warseer, In response to someone saying our "big thing" might be a Thunderhawk...
QUOTE
Not as big! But more bizarre! (unless you play fantasy...). That's most of what I know about it. Speculating from that - big buffing thing with a howdah ?!
A bit more for now - in regards to the 'neophytes' (if they continue with that name), I heard they were finecast. Whilst it would leave room for another plastic kit, I hope this isn't true.
Dark Angels are not at all on my radar, doesn't mean they aren't happening anytime soon, but I haven't heard a thing, if ghost's heard anything it is likely to do with black templars.
From Warseer, in regards to someone hearing about a "giant tracked siege weapon" (Related to above quote?)
QUOTE
I mentioned it recently but it was a rumor posted some time ago from stickmonkey if i remember correctly although i could be wrong. It was in response to some comments about the dreadknight before the actual release of the
GK codex and it mentions a dreadnought variant on tracks designed for siege purposes.
From DakkaDakka, original quote by Jared van Kell from Librarium Online
QUOTE
Phill kelly is going to write the
Bt codex, so that should be great oh and new units added for
bt as well. by Jared van Kell
Quote
A little but nothing solid. What I have heard.
- Phil Kelly is writing the Codex.
- More emphasis on the horde aspect of the army with lots of large units of Initiates and Neophytes.
- Emperors Champion is more in line with the company champion of the Grey Knights but is still 2 wounds. Gains preferred enemy against independent characters and monstrous creatures.
I will let you know as I hear more.
by Jared van Kell
Quote
Some additional bits.
- I forgot to mention the Rightous Zeal rule could be changing to be more along the lines of the Rage
USR. Something along the lines of if they fail a
Ld test then they are subject to Rage and must advance towards the nearest enemy unit. As yet the details are sketchy.
- All the current special characters (ie: Helbrect and Grimaldius) will remain. Also I had heard of an mention of a special character who is like the greatest of all of the Emperor's Champions and the greatest warrior in the Black Templars. I had heard mention of a bike mounted special character with a lance like weapon but I cannot confirm this yet.
From Warseer
QUOTE
Certain units to get Rage
USR is one I've heard repeatedly. (foolishly didn't see the first post... oops!)
Sword Brethren are to get a special rule where when they are assaulted the enemy unit has to re-roll all* successful hits, at the expense of 1 attack. It's called "parry".
Land Raiders, when suffering a 5 or 6 on the damage chart* (so "wrecked" or "destroyed") gets one more turn where it rampage, think along the lines of the machine spirit going bezerk.
No horses as far as I am aware, bikes would be the direction (if any at all) for riding knights.
There is a named Emperor's Champion, he's meant to be the longest living
EC in the Black Templars history, or somesuch.
*I'll seek clarification as it doesn't quite seem right in my head.
From JvK on Phil Kelly being our author
QUOTE
The Tau codex belongs to Cruddace, lets get that fact straight. That is all I am going to say on that issue.
Black Templars on the other hand was always going to be Phil Kelly's pet project. The only way Ward or Cruddace would ever get the Black Templars codex off him would be to prise the rough drafts out from his cold...dead...hands.
But later on Nov 28th in response to being asked who is writing
QUOTE
Mr Phil Kelly last time I heard. Though there was talk of moving it over to Mr Cruddace so Mr Kelly can work on something else.
From our own Marshal Laeroth (on various occasions)
QUOTE ( @ May 26 2011, 03:51
AM)
I cannot find the rumor threads stating it (there were several, but I don't have the time to search too deeply). HOWEVER, I do have a friend in the
UK that actually met Phil and talked to him about that particular rumor. To which Phil confirmed. I was told that he sounded very enthusiastic about the project, but wouldn't go into details or timelines. Just that he was writing the book and the
BT were coming (that could mean 2 years though).
Even without my friend giving me this information, there were those rumor threads (from reliable sources) around someplace. Just have to find them. :/
Rumours that conflict with stuff said about from Warseer
QUOTE
5. Tau and
BT will get a release soon after
CSM; other races updated in 5th will not be updated in 6th as their rules (at least from Guard onwards) are allready suited for 6th. Ward will probably do the
BT and might do Tau as well.
DA will probably not be updated anytime soon, because its not a popular army and
GW does not want to waste money updating one or more armieS that almost no one plays with a separate dex.
From Librarium Online
QUOTE
i was down the local
GW today, and found some interesting stuff on black templars. so far as the internet says, they're before/after chaos space marines (or legions), before or very shortly after 6th, given that they're current incarnation won't be suitable for 6th. Anyways, what i found out was the following:
there's going to be a named emperors champion, who's old by
BT standards, and has been
EC for a while. long enough to be better than the standard one.
initiates will be cheaper, around 11 points, and neotyphes around 6pts. still, expect some drawbacks to this.
there'll be a new named character on a bike with eternal warrior, and also eternal warrior killer.
and possibly some dreadnought/knight style thing that fits with the rest of the army, in line with the big stuff from
GK and
BA.
oh, last thing, possibly some upgrade that lets land raiders be destroyed by the enemy, but still 'live' for a turn. final shoot and move, the explode in a last ditch suicide run or someut.
I got most of this from a staff member, so take it with a pinch of salt, but this guy's usually pretty accurate with stuff like this....
still, something to think about, isn't it?
From our own Bloodcrusade
QUOTE ( @ Nov 29 2011, 12:17
AM)
From the rumors I've been hearing it's more of something along the lines of:
1)Helbrecht(Cheaper with rules to make Sword Brethren either Scoring or Troops)
2)Grimaldus(Rules update)
3)Special Champion
4)Draco(Will be making the transfer from White Dwarf to Codex with rule amendments)
These are the *guaranteed* Special Characters with rumors of:
1) Marshal/Castellan for drop pod armies(Reminiscent of one of our own's Custom Codex, believe it was Sigismund Himself?)
2)Terminator
HQ(Allows for termies as scoring or as Troops for 'BlackWing')
Haven't heard anything of being allowed to bring Bikes as Troops if your 'Captain' rides one, which I'm thankful for. There's a Chapter for that and it's White Scars.
Special Units being brought to the Codex:
1)Chaplain Dreadnought(Same reroll hits on charge, probably fealess to all units with-in 6" like Grimaldus)
2)Durandal Dreadnought(Being brought from White Dwarf into the Codex, haven't heard the rules will change- maybe one more base attack?)
3)Assault Rhino Chassis(Been rumored/hoped for a long time, whether from the Rhino or a new vehicle on it's chassis)
Haven't heard about any special Bikes or Cavalry unit, which is unfortunate as I'm looking forward to a Cav unit myself. Allowing Luduldos to become a bring-able Special Character would be quite interesting as he would be taken in more of my lists than Helbrecht as he is a much more likely Character to allow Sword Brethren as Troops than Helbrecht.
From Librarium Online. This guy
IIRC, is pretty good with his rumors.....
QUOTE ('Jared van Kell')
Possible release date of March 3rd if the source holds true
by ghost21 on Warseer
QUOTE
expect
bt to be the landraider spam army
By Commissar Davis on Warseer
QUOTE
This is as much supposition as rumour. But from what I have gathered from dark places, the Black Templars as going to be very close to how they are in the
FFG books. The Caestus will have an entry and there is the possibility that troops will be able to take bikes (and attack bikes) and jump packs if they don't take Neophytes.
Assault Marines and bikers get a few extra options that make them nasty.
Elites are points sinks, but very nice point sinks... lots of toys and adaptability.
Emperors Champion gets some buffs, but is not much more than he is now except he can target unit leaders, like good ol' Sarge.
Thats about it.
*Another user notes how that would leave the
FA slots bare... to which Davis replied..*
From what I was able to take way from a few different dark corners, they wouldn't get all the upgrades. This could also be tosh.
Add salt... The guys are usually, mostly, on the ball (once they point out what they meant). Its generally in the guise of pointers and no straight answers, thus a fair bit of supposition on my part, and includes some guess work of their own.
If they said there was a custard dessert, it could be that its a tray with custard power with plastic cacti, or it could be a dessert with custard, or sometimes they are wrong and there is no custard at all but are right about there being dessert and visa versa.
By Mirbeau In Reply to the above quote
QUOTE
No Caestus coming. Doesn't mean you can't use the forge world miniature/rules though. Little to no empthasis on jump packs either
afaik.
*then in another post commenting that Tau are the last 5th ed codex..*
Templars first! I do believe Tau to be the last, or one of the first books though. On my radar Templars, Tau, Chaos.
Eldar I'm not expecting (in book form) till 2013. I have no idea as to the contents of the september starter box, so I suppose there is a chance they could be in that, mind.
By Marshal Laeroth in regards to Assault Rhinos
QUOTE
That has been a rumor on my radar for some time (from my own sources), but it doesn't sound like its going to come to pass. Sounds like it got chopped in the playtesting stage.
On release date
QUOTE (Trignama @ Dec 18 2011, 02:28
AM)
So finally got to go to my local game store today, and had a talk with the manager. The discussion led to whether or not he knew of anything about the Templars. He told me
"From what I've been told the next marine book is out in Jan. But I don't know which Chapter, although it is probably Templars."
I dunno how viable information from him can be, but he sounded pretty confident about Jan. Having a release.... take it as you will.
Summary as of 12/5/11
•Phil Kelly as the author, only minor reports of Ward/Cruddace being it instead
•Sword Brethren and Neophytes kits or at least new models for them
•Possible new "siege" weapon. ala Dreadknight level of gimmickness
•Possbile new unit/vehicle that relates to "Fantasy" stuff..... (this is very vague, could allude to above rumour)
•Possible new Dreadnought, be it Chappy, Durandal, or Relic
•Cheaper points cost rumours and others lead to Horde focus of sorts
•Very likely it will be the next codex to be released, Rumored March-May
•Rage
USR (or something similar) seems to make its way in with/for
RZ
•Current characters will return, with new ones (pretty much a given nowadays)
•Special
EC, greatest swordsman ever/oldest serving
EC
•Possible new abilties for Land Raiders and Sword Brethren
*edit* Dec 31 2011
From Harry on Warseer:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5997529#post5997529
Originally Posted by Pa1adin111
Just want you guys to know that I'm still searching high and low for new
BT rumors, the problem is that every site I go to seems to have a copy and paste of this thread. If any of the venerable rumor sources out there (ghost, mr pie, stickmonkey ect...) pick up anything new we'd love to hear from you
Well it is only a small thing but it is quite a big thing if it is accurate. I say 'If' as I heard it quite a long time ago (well over a year ago and I am a bit fuzzy on the details) But I think I picked up that Jes was working on Black Templars possibly with Juan Diaz or Seb Perbet?
Which are some nice names to throw around for any army. Wouldn't you agree?
*edit* January 20 2012
From Sasori on page 10. Thanks for the update Sasori.
Hmm, there is something interesting here
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/In_the_grim_Darkness.html
May or may not have anything to do with the
BT release.
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