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 Nevelon wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
It's fine when FW releases something inferior or on par with widely released Codex rules, but to release something clearly superior, that only reinforces those people's negative opinions. That's not to say Forgeworld should not make good stuff, but not something that basically outclasses a Codex unit to the point where the Codex unit is completely obsolete in favor of the FW replacement.

And, again, when the codex unit is a weak one refusing to allow anyone to outclass it just cuts off valuable design space. The FW speeder just fixes the codex typhoon and makes it a viable option, you should be celebrating that now the basic concept of the unit is useful.

What's our balance point? I think both sides of the FW debate can agree that there is a large spread of quality in any book, regardless of which branch of GW publishes it. There are the good units, the OK stuff, and the trash. There may or may not be stand out broken stuff (for good or bad) depending. I would prefer they based the game around the "OK" level, rather then just adding more high-powered units. This speeder might be in line with sabre platforms, vendettas, helldrakes, etc. on the high end of "good"

A 2HP AV11 vehicle isn't going to be anywhere near Sabres, Vendettas or Heldrakes. It's better than a Land Speeder Typhoon, but Land Speeder Typhoons haven't exactly been dominating everything in 6th edition.

News and Rumors in here guys - most of the other stuff can go over to 40K General.

Thanks!

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:


A 2HP AV11 vehicle isn't going to be anywhere near Sabres, Vendettas or Heldrakes. It's better than a Land Speeder Typhoon, but Land Speeder Typhoons haven't exactly been dominating everything in 6th edition.

They've been 90 points in C:SM for the whole time. 75 points in DA since they got their codex.

IMHO they've been worth fielding, but a little overpriced at 90. 75 feels right. All the DA players I know are doing pure terminator armies, never seen them field speeders. Land speeders have never been one of the top dog, power units. They have always been a middle of the road choice.

Will this new one hit the "Top 5 most broken units" list? probably not. There is some nasty stuff out there. Will it dominate the FA slot of it's own codex. Yes. It was probably a mistake to list those units as peers, but I was trying to get the point across of "do we balance to the middle, or the edge"

Wayback machine personal anecdote time: Back when M:tG was new, before all the expansions and reprintings, my local group would refer to cards of a certain power level as "Serra Angels", after the white creature of the same name. These were not the game breaking power cards (like the black lotus) but cards that were just a -little- too good. They rode the line of balance, never being so overt to make the banned list, or get house ruled, but clearly ahead of the pack. When there is just one, having a few in your deck wasn't a bad thing. But as more cards of that level were printed, you could make an entire deck out of them. Power creep had set in, and the game balance had been altered.

edit: Sorry, was typing this before the Mod, I'll stop now.

 Nevelon wrote:
Will it dominate the FA slot of it's own codex. Yes.

Again, so what? If it dominates it's because fast attack in C:SM is so weak with few, if any, viable options. Refusing to allow C:SM to get good fast attack because the first one will dominate all the bad options for a while is bad design.

Wayback machine personal anecdote time: Back when M:tG was new, before all the expansions and reprintings, my local group would refer to cards of a certain power level as "Serra Angels", after the white creature of the same name. These were not the game breaking power cards (like the black lotus) but cards that were just a -little- too good. They rode the line of balance, never being so overt to make the banned list, or get house ruled, but clearly ahead of the pack. When there is just one, having a few in your deck wasn't a bad thing. But as more cards of that level were printed, you could make an entire deck out of them. Power creep had set in, and the game balance had been altered.

Sounds like you were just not that good at MTG. Serra Angels were never a powerful card, and taking lots of them in your deck was just a good way to make a weak deck. The illusion that they were "good" is entirely due to the lack of communication back then preventing people from really analyzing the game and understanding it the way we understand modern 40k.

 Alpharius wrote:
News and Rumors in here guys - most of the other stuff can go over to 40K General.

Thanks!

New stuff is up ...

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff

Despoiler Squads for MKII, III and IV and Reaver Attack Squad for the Sons of Horus. I like their helmets ...

 Fireball wrote:
New stuff is up ...

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff

Despoiler Squads for MKII, III and IV and Reaver Attack Squad for the Sons of Horus. I like their helmets ...

If it hasn't been posted already;

Reaver squads in many ways epitomised the Sons of Horus Legion’s way of war. Heavily influenced by the tactics used in the incessant tribal warfare of Cthonia, Reaver units specialised in lightning-swift assaults which maimed and disabled their foes; striking down leaders, and mercilessly cutting down any who were weak or isolated. Each Reaver unit, whether squad or entire company in strength, was effectively a warband in its own right, and its warriors fought more as individuals than regimented soldiers, and all were utterly lethal against the enemies of Mankind during the Great Crusade.

If fighting is expected to be at close quarters, such as in boarding actions or trench clearance, Tactical squads can sometimes forgo the standard bolter in favour of the combination of a bolt pistol and chainsword, allowing the Astartes more manoeuvrability in whatever tight confines they may find themselves in. These more assault orientated units are referred to as Despoiler Squads within the Legiones Astartes.

I'm a fan of the Reaver squad, which would make some really cool Chaos Chosen. The Despoiler squads just seem quite bland.

Despoilers look pretty cool, might be a lot of work to make them look like loyalists.

If only Forgeworld sold things like leg sets rather than full marines... I desperately want the running Mk.4 and Despoiler legs.

Hi there,
Up for pre-order this week we have Mk II, Mk III and Mk IV Despoiler squads, and a unique Sons of Horus unit in the form of the Reaver Attack Squad. As well as this, we also have some exciting news regarding this weekend’s Games Day North America.

Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squad



Reaver squads in many ways epitomised the Sons of Horus Legion’s way of war. Heavily influenced by the tactics used in the incessant tribal warfare of Cthonia, Reaver units specialised in lightning-swift assaults which maimed and disabled their foes; striking down leaders, and mercilessly cutting down any who were weak or isolated. Each Reaver unit, whether squad or entire company in strength, was effectively a warband in its own right, and its warriors fought more as individuals than regimented soldiers, and all were utterly lethal against the enemies of Mankind during the Great Crusade.
The Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squad, designed by Alfonso Giraldes, is a multi-part resin kit containing five incredibly detailed Space Marines, five bolt pistols, five chain axes, a power fist, a hand flamer, five helmeted heads and one Sergeant head. This kit is available to pre-order now for despatch from Friday 2nd August.

Rules for the Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squad will be found in our forthcoming Horus Heresy book.


Legion Despoiler Squads



If fighting is expected to be at close quarters, such as in boarding actions or trench clearance, Tactical squads can sometimes forgo the standard bolter in favour of the combination of a bolt pistol and chainsword, allowing the Astartes more manoeuvrability in whatever tight confines they may find themselves in. These more assault orientated units are referred to as Despoiler Squads within the Legiones Astartes.
The Mk II, Mk III and Mk IV Despoiler Squads, designed by Will Hayes, are complete multi-part resin kits comprising five Space Marines armed with bolt pistols and chainswords. All three kits are available to pre-order now for despatch from Friday 2nd August.

Event News
Games Day North America



Forge World will be over in Memphis this weekend for Games Day North America. We will have limited quantities of our new Imperial Armour: Apocalypse book available on the day, and you can find out more about the contents of the book and what units and formations you'll find within here. Those of you fortunate enough to be attending the event will also have a final chance to get hold of some of our 2012 Show only figures in the US: the Imperial Enforcer with Cyber Mastiff and the Warhammer Forge Skin Wolf.


Games Day Germany
Our studio guests at this year’s Games Day Germany will be Phil Stutcinskas and Dominik Oedinger. They’ll be bringing along samples of their work to show and discuss, plus offering some insight into their future Forge World projects!
We will also have some of the fantastic new releases that we’ve been announcing over the last few weeks available in limited quantities at the Forge World sales stand.

We are still taking reservation orders for this event. Click here to find out how to place a reservation order. We must receive your order by midday UK time on Monday 29th July. If you would like to purchase a ticket for this event, click here.

Gencon
We will be heading over to Indianapolis on August 15th-18th for Gencon; a huge gaming convention held at the Indiana Convention Center. Sadly the deadline for reservations for this event has passed, however if you want to order something at the show that we don't have in stock, we will send to you with free shipping.


Thanks,
Forge World Sales Team







MKII Despoilers


MKIII Despoilers


MKIV Despoilers

What is a Thunderhawk transporter? A sub version of the TH or a huge cargo carrier? 0_o
Good to see new biomorphs for the Hierophant too.

There are two Thunderhawks in the old books. One has Rhinos and/or Land Raiders strapped under it. One is just a gunship.

Transporter with Land Raider

Transporter with Rhinos

Basic Gunship Version

 Ratius wrote:
What is a Thunderhawk transporter? A sub version of the TH or a huge cargo carrier? 0_o
Good to see new biomorphs for the Hierophant too.

Thunderhawk Transporter is a Thunderhawk that can transport things

It has attachment points to carry 2 Rhinos or 1 Land Raider.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Grey-Knights/THUNDERHAWK-TRANSPORTER-WITH-RHINOS.html

I wonder if/when they will flesh out all the other options of mk 4 in mk 2 and 3.

I'm still waiting for a Forge World HH Storm Bird.

Why hasn't this happened yet...

I find it interesting that the Stormblade is missing from the IA: Apoc book. Also, sorry if i missed it, but have they said when they'll release the new book?

"Hey, we have formed new squads within the Legion that excel at assault ... what shall we name them, Brother?"

"Erm... oooh, tough one... good at assault you say? And a squad? And we need a squad name that says they are an assault-y squad... Mmmmmm. Tough one..."

"How about... Assau... As... DESPOILER SQUAD!"

"Perfect. It's so obvious there's literally no name more obvious for an assault-y squad!!"

"None at all. Praise the Emperor!"

 cincydooley wrote:
I'm still waiting for a Forge World HH Storm Bird.

Why hasn't this happened yet...

Probably won't happen until one of the later Horus Heresy books comes out.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
"Hey, we have formed new squads within the Legion that excel at assault ... what shall we name them, Brother?"

"Erm... oooh, tough one... good at assault you say? And a squad? And we need a squad name that says they are an assault-y squad... Mmmmmm. Tough one..."

"How about... Assau... As... DESPOILER SQUAD!"

"Perfect. It's so obvious there's literally no name more obvious for an assault-y squad!!"

"None at all. Praise the Emperor!"

Well, it can actually make sense.

Dictionary definition of despoil:

1. To sack; plunder.
2. To deprive of something valuable by force; rob

And despoiler is also a synonym for raider. I think all these fit the theme of a unit that assaults fairly well.

It also might just be to keep their Mk Whatever Assault Squats (with jump packs) easier to separate from their Mk Whatever Assault Squats (without jump packs).

 JohnnyHell wrote:
"Hey, we have formed new squads within the Legion that excel at assault ... what shall we name them, Brother?"

"Erm... oooh, tough one... good at assault you say? And a squad? And we need a squad name that says they are an assault-y squad... Mmmmmm. Tough one..."

"How about... Assau... As... DESPOILER SQUAD!"

"Perfect. It's so obvious there's literally no name more obvious for an assault-y squad!!"

"None at all. Praise the Emperor!"

Awesome. I was thinking the exact same thing, hoping the despoiler squads were something new. No. They're assault squads that dont have jetpacks....

@Tannhauser - I guess I can wait, as long as we get one. I'm just so itching to see a model for it, it's killing me.

 cincydooley wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
"Hey, we have formed new squads within the Legion that excel at assault ... what shall we name them, Brother?"

"Erm... oooh, tough one... good at assault you say? And a squad? And we need a squad name that says they are an assault-y squad... Mmmmmm. Tough one..."

"How about... Assau... As... DESPOILER SQUAD!"

"Perfect. It's so obvious there's literally no name more obvious for an assault-y squad!!"

"None at all. Praise the Emperor!"

Awesome. I was thinking the exact same thing, hoping the despoiler squads were something new. No. They're assault squads that dont have jetpacks....

@Tannhauser - I guess I can wait, as long as we get one. I'm just so itching to see a model for it, it's killing me.

They are not assault marines without jetpacks, they are tactical squads that have swapped their bolters for BP/CCW. Completely different...

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I find it interesting that the Stormblade is missing from the IA: Apoc book. Also, sorry if i missed it, but have they said when they'll release the new book?

It is?

That's my second favorite Super Heavy tank!

Where are the Apocalypse rules for it these days then?

There are two Thunderhawks in the old books. One has Rhinos and/or Land Raiders strapped under it. One is just a gunship.

Transporter with Land Raider

Transporter with Rhinos

Basic Gunship Version

Curse my over active imagination.

So it looks like the Tesseract Ark is going to have an Apocalypse profile, and they're putting the Pylon in again. I really hope they don't change it from it's current incarnation.

I'm curious to see if they give the Scorpion a points reduction. With the advent of the 'Laser Lock' rule for Scatter Lasers, the Lynx is by far a better overall weapons platform for the cost.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
I'm curious to see if they give the Scorpion a points reduction. With the advent of the 'Laser Lock' rule for Scatter Lasers, the Lynx is by far a better overall weapons platform for the cost.

They probably won't even think about that. The basic Baneblade went up in points, AND they even took away the autocannon's coaxial rule.

But with the new super heavy rules the Baneblade isnt as bad now

A little late to the update, but I am loving that new Landspeeder. Who even needs new rules? I would be happy just using the excellent model in the place of a plastic Typhoon.

So assault squads without jump packs, is something new?

I to am curious how despoiler squads will be different from tactical squads with bolt pistol/ccw's... possibly grenades/special rules? surely they can't just be the same otherwise why bother with the different name?

When is the new apoc book out? Forgeworld has said that mega dred will have 40k approved stamp in it.