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This is all off-topic, but the Rhana Dandra (elf-pocalpyse) is the same term used in both 40k and Fantasy. The details are different here or there, but the beats are the same. The same soul-devouring relationship with Slaanesh, the same schism between Dark and High/Craftworld, etc.

Edit: You look and see a difference. I look and see similarities.

the Slaanesh devouring elves souls in WHFB was only introduced with the final DE army book. Didn't exist in the fluff before hand. And there schism between the DE and CE is nothing like the Schism between DE and HE. The first one would be like the relation between the US and the UK, while the latter was probably the biggest rivalry in the setting.

I don't think Biel-tan gets destroyed- because in the background of the leaked pic there are a bunch of Biel-tan guardians. Maybe it gets severely damaged? It does feel similar to AoS but its not the same as others have said- the eldar kindreds never engaged in a bitter civil war and didn't raise a new god to fight slaanesh etc. I am wondering how Khaine fits in with this new eldar outlook- will the god of war and the god of the dead team up?
I'm a little apprehensive but I'll wait until I see the new book.

edit: I also really like the avatar of Ynnead in that illustration with the almost black and white colouring.. definitely how I'll paint mine.

 streetsamurai wrote:
the Slaanesh devouring elves souls in WHFB was only introduced with the final DE army book. Didn't exist in the fluff before hand. And there schism between the DE and CE is nothing like the Schism between DE and HE. The first one would be like the relation between the US and the UK, while the latter was probably the biggest rivalry in the setting.

Right, HE & DE literally hated each other
CWE & DE actually have a working relationship and can cross "paths" with ease.

End Times in 40K will happen, but it will be different than AoS. We will get 8th edition, not a completely different game like AoS. The entire galaxy will not implode like the Old World, though many key locales may be altered forever (see Cadia & Beil-Tan).
Think of Fantasy End Times as an experiment. AoS is getting better and GW learned from it. 40K End Times will undoubtedly be better and quite different, even if it follows the same story beats.

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I feel like this might actually be a 2nd ed or 3rd ed level of change with 8the 40k tbh. Not WHFB to AOS mind you.

 Lockark wrote:
I feel like this might actually be a 2nd ed or 3rd ed level of change with 8the 40k tbh. Not WHFB to AOS mind you.

What does that mean? I started playing in 4th ed, so I don't get the reference.

hopefully that's the case. But 'm starting to have a few worries.


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 Galef wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I feel like this might actually be a 2nd ed or 3rd ed level of change with 8the 40k tbh. Not WHFB to AOS mind you.

What does that mean? I started playing in 4th ed, so I don't get the reference.

Change to second to thirs was a big one. Third edition pretty much set the fondation for current 40k. Before that, 40k was more similar to Necromunda

 Galef wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
the Slaanesh devouring elves souls in WHFB was only introduced with the final DE army book. Didn't exist in the fluff before hand. And there schism between the DE and CE is nothing like the Schism between DE and HE. The first one would be like the relation between the US and the UK, while the latter was probably the biggest rivalry in the setting.

Right, HE & DE literally hated each other
CWE & DE actually have a working relationship and can cross "paths" with ease.

End Times in 40K will happen, but it will be different than AoS. We will get 8th edition, not a completely different game like AoS. The entire galaxy will not implode like the Old World, though many key locales may be altered forever (see Cadia & Beil-Tan).
Think of Fantasy End Times as an experiment. AoS is getting better and GW learned from it. 40K End Times will undoubtedly be better and quite different, even if it follows the same story beats.

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I agree about 40k.
I think it will be better, and I think it will refresh the motivations everyone has for killing each other which have grown stale. New reasons are good.
You will not see Necrons BB with Marines, you will not see Eldar BB with Marines, you will not see anything stupid like that because by the time this is over everyone will have pissed everyone off again.

 Galef wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I feel like this might actually be a 2nd ed or 3rd ed level of change with 8the 40k tbh. Not WHFB to AOS mind you.

What does that mean? I started playing in 4th ed, so I don't get the reference.

2nd edition was very different. Very up-beat in contrast to what 40k is now. But the rulesets where extremely different. 3rd is, quite a few times, called the blandening for a reason.

more from same guy

 silverstu wrote:
I don't think Biel-tan gets destroyed- because in the background of the leaked pic there are a bunch of Biel-tan guardians. Maybe it gets severely damaged? It does feel similar to AoS but its not the same as others have said- the eldar kindreds never engaged in a bitter civil war and didn't raise a new god to fight slaanesh etc. I am wondering how Khaine fits in with this new eldar outlook- will the god of war and the god of the dead team up?
I'm a little apprehensive but I'll wait until I see the new book.

edit: I also really like the avatar of Ynnead in that illustration with the almost black and white colouring.. definitely how I'll paint mine.

Depending on how much warning they have, and if they're willing to leave it, they could get the population off the craftworld and set up shop on a planet. It's not as if they have to worry about abandoning the infinity circuit since some plonker emptied it.

dont much care about the rest but that pic is very cool - that Banshee is using the Stormtrooper as a launch platform right?

Cosmic Schwung wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
I don't think Biel-tan gets destroyed- because in the background of the leaked pic there are a bunch of Biel-tan guardians. Maybe it gets severely damaged? It does feel similar to AoS but its not the same as others have said- the eldar kindreds never engaged in a bitter civil war and didn't raise a new god to fight slaanesh etc. I am wondering how Khaine fits in with this new eldar outlook- will the god of war and the god of the dead team up?
I'm a little apprehensive but I'll wait until I see the new book.

edit: I also really like the avatar of Ynnead in that illustration with the almost black and white colouring.. definitely how I'll paint mine.

Depending on how much warning they have, and if they're willing to leave it, they could get the population off the craftworld and set up shop on a planet. It's not as if they have to worry about abandoning the infinity circuit since some plonker emptied it.

True enough- the craft worlds do have colonies, they could move in with the exodites or they could recolonise parts of the webway.

 Galef wrote:

 silverstu wrote:

Spoiler:

 Galef wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

any guesses?

Terrain. nothing more

Crone world terrain maybe?

Any non-Imperial terrain would be welcome, however I get the feeling that this is just studio terrain and not a kit that will come out

You and I both know in the GW of "everything's a product!" this is not true...

So, that French white dwarf had some info that might be interesting

-Aeldari are a thing

- Drukhari are also a thing. Looks like its referring to Dark Eldar

- There's something called the Exhumed who can harvest the power of soulstones to use as weapons and amplifiers. They basically call to the spirits within them to vaporise folks and to buff their psychic powers.

-There's another group called the Ynnari, who aren't really trusted because they're considered to be corrupted by demons. What's more interesting though is that the Ynnari are also considered to be already dead (deja morts).

- Seems like the Exhumed follows Ynnead, and wants the Eldar to follow suit. They want to restore Eldar society to how it was before the Fall. The problem is that they are really arrogant about it, so they tend to be treated with hostility.

- Yvaine (she's the chick, right?) can take souls and "share" them with those around her. It gets a bit hard to read, but I think it says that these souls can manifest as spectres, or she can channel them (she gets possessed, in other words). The Ynnari see this as a divine miracle. This is from the Ame Partage (Shared Souls) section on the side, in the very small print that's a pain to read.

The Exhumed sound like they are restored pre-fall eldar.. Interesting - it sounds like they are moving eldar well beyond the craftworlds and commoragh. Quite a cultural shift and if they no longer fear death due to Ynnead they are freer to engage in war.

 Mr Morden wrote:



dont much care about the rest but that pic is very cool - that Banshee is using the Stormtrooper as a launch platform right?

Is it me or is the banshee on the left using the Stormtrooper as a stepping stone for the jump??

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:



dont much care about the rest but that pic is very cool - that Banshee is using the Stormtrooper as a launch platform right?

Is it me or is the banshee on the left using the Stormtrooper as a stepping stone for the jump??

Yeah, looks like it.
I bet he must be pissed

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:



dont much care about the rest but that pic is very cool - that Banshee is using the Stormtrooper as a launch platform right?

Is it me or is the banshee on the left using the Stormtrooper as a stepping stone for the jump??

They are good for something then...

So, from that bit of info, it seems that the Ynnead followers are basically undead Eldar. There's a lot of funerary references (ie the Exhumed) and soul manipulation going on, and the fact that the Ynnari (who I'm assuming to be Ynnead followers) are considered to be dead by the rest of the Eldar is intriguing. Either that, or we're dealing with some sort of necromantic Eldar death cult.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So, from that bit of info, it seems that the Ynnead followers are basically undead Eldar. There's a lot of funerary references (ie the Exhumed) and soul manipulation going on, and the fact that the Ynnari (who I'm assuming to be Ynnead followers) are considered to be dead by the rest of the Eldar is intriguing. Either that, or we're dealing with some sort of necromantic Eldar death cult.

Before the Fall eldar reincarnated- with the arrival of the god of the dead maybe this is possible again, instead of souls being stolen/devoured by Slaanesh. Plus if this is true eldar would no longer fear death..

So, Drukhari eh? I'm not the only one who immediately thought Drew Carey, right?

They reincarnated did they? That would explain why the Ynnari are considered to be dead. If they were reincarnated by the power of Ynnead, it would make sense that the Eldar, who are no longer used to this concept, would considered them as such.

If GW introduces a bonfire and says that they reincarnated through that, I'll laugh so hard.
I mean, the Exhumed can already collect souls to buff themselves and to use as magic ammunition


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 Drasius wrote:
So, Drukhari eh? I'm not the only one who immediately thought Drew Carey, right?

You are now thinking of a bunch of fat bespectacled men in spiky BDSM leather outfits wielding absurdly evil looking knives and performing acrobatics. You're welcome.

Nice artwork. Looks like another Imperium and Eldar team up against Chaos. If this book does cover the same time frame as book one I'd be interested to know when and where that battle takes place. Its not the ice world at the end of book one as the Iron warriors were not involved there. Where ever it takes place the IG look like they were not expecting Eldar help(amazing how face masks can look surprised ).

sweet cover. Liking the model more and more. Use her as a demon maybe. or Emperor's Children.

Nevermind. Pic was already posted like 4 pages back.

Already posted.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So, that French white dwarf had some info that might be interesting

-Aeldari are a thing

- Drukhari are also a thing. Looks like its referring to Dark Eldar

- There's something called the Exhumed who can harvest the power of soulstones to use as weapons and amplifiers. They basically call to the spirits within them to vaporise folks and to buff their psychic powers.

-There's another group called the Ynnari, who aren't really trusted because they're considered to be corrupted by demons. What's more interesting though is that the Ynnari are also considered to be already dead (deja morts).

- Seems like the Exhumed follows Ynnead, and wants the Eldar to follow suit. They want to restore Eldar society to how it was before the Fall. The problem is that they are really arrogant about it, so they tend to be treated with hostility.

- Yvaine (she's the chick, right?) can take souls and "share" them with those around her. It gets a bit hard to read, but I think it says that these souls can manifest as spectres, or she can channel them (she gets possessed, in other words). The Ynnari see this as a divine miracle. This is from the Ame Partage (Shared Souls) section on the side, in the very small print that's a pain to read.

That sounds pretty cool. I wonder if we will get another Eldar faction codex in the near future.

Yeah this is kinda killing the DE vibes for me. I may dump my army depending on lore advancements. Thankfully I knew better than to invest too heavily in DE and don't have much.

At this rate with Trollzyn being so cool I might have to make that Necron army after all.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

- There's something called the Exhumed who can harvest the power of soulstones to use as weapons and amplifiers. They basically call to the spirits within them to vaporise folks and to buff their psychic powers.

That reminds me a lot of the Bloodstone an Incubi Klaivex used to be able to take in the 5th ed codex, it was a One Use Only S3, AP3 flamer. Fluff was that it was the Soulstone of a fallen Aspect Warrior, preferably the Exarch to a Striking Scorpion Shrine, weaponised so that when crushed it released a wave of energy.


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 Gamgee wrote:
Yeah this is kinda killing the DE vibes for me. I may dump my army depending on lore advancements. Thankfully I knew better than to invest too heavily in DE and don't have much.

At this rate with Trollzyn being so cool I might have to make that Necron army after all.

What, not more predictions that DE are absolutely, definitely going to get a major codex update this year?