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Scottywan82 wrote:There's not much in the way of history to support what they will or won't do for this. It's been a long time since they released a new army from scratch.

I guess what they usually do is skimp on units for the first codex. Maybe they'll go that route here too.

PLASTICS:
Warriors
Wyches
Raider/Ravager
Talos
Reavers

METALS:
Incubi
Mandrakes
Hellions
Scourges
Lord
Wych Lord
Haemonculus

It's a big release, but not insane big. I bet it'll get done.

I think GW will release them over two months, to allow for the large number of kits that will have to come out. For now we're assuming DE haven't been too drastically re-written. Harlequins being in the DE codex, thats one less unit that'd need to be released. I'm sure bites can be taken out of the list of requirements in a similar fashion. For example whats not to say the Dark Eldar jetbike doesn't share a sprue out of two with the standard Eldar. Or if mandrakes with their similar aesthetic were part of a Wyches box. I think Hellions would need to be plastic.

I think the biggest danger to any assumptions is that we don't know what new units are being brought in. It could be something as simple as another raider/raveger variant... or something more drastic (making something up) like a monsterous creature sized warpbeast which has to be an independent kit. I don't think there is any gurantee that the initial release will cover everything let alone the old stuff, but GW will have to release more than the 3 plastic and 4 metal kits redone codices have been getting; 6 and 6 would probably cove 90% of it.

DE with Harlies makes me excited.

I agree. It'd be cool to see mimes or solitares brought back... if GW wanted to do more with the unit.

What about the fabled Harlequin army? I'd love to see it return, and Dark Eldar would be a good place to do it. It is essentially a codex of Eldar excesses.

I'd personally like to see Harlies enter into the DE codex. Heck, maybe they'll even have some Harlies on Jetbikes again! (Total wishlisting)

I don't think we'll see a Harlequin army again, unless Forgeworld does it... then it would be just awesome! Harlie, jetbikes and Wraithlords would make a return and some of their more ridiculous rules could make a return with the overly ridiculous point costs that accompany most Forgeworld units.

Kroothawk wrote:You are aware that the whole DE range is resculpted, right? Every single model!

W00t! Chaos Possessed! ThunderFire Cannon! IG Psykers!

What more could we ask for?
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aka_mythos wrote:I think GW will release them over two months, to allow for the large number of kits that will have to come out.

Assuming new DE are coming out, I think we're looking at a big initial "splash" push for the core:
- plastic Lord, metal Characters
- plastic Warriors & plastic Wyches,
- plastic Raider / Ravager,
- plastic Jetbikes
- plastic Talos & plastic Scourges
Then, plan on the rest (metals) dribbling out in 2 or 3 Waves.
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Gitzbitah wrote:What about the fabled Harlequin army? I'd love to see it return, and Dark Eldar would be a good place to do it.

Given the paucity of DE units to date, it wouldn't be too hard to imagine a named Harlequin Special Character who allows Harlequins to be taken as Troops.

I think concept wise, any DE Codex would add a lot of new units, even if they're just weapon swaps with new names like the Russ / Hellhound variants.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Every time you say that Reecius, a Hwang loses his DD.

Hahahahaha!

I am afraid this time it is real. Really real.

aka_mythos wrote:I agree. It'd be cool to see mimes or solitares brought back... if GW wanted to do more with the unit.

Oh man, this would be AWESOME!

Gitzbitah wrote:What about the fabled Harlequin army? I'd love to see it return, and Dark Eldar would be a good place to do it. It is essentially a codex of Eldar excesses.

I bet with all the new things, we could make a pretty good 'counts as' Harleguin army out of the new DE codex...

It’s dead certain that some folks have seen some of the new figs, but GW’s been tightfisted and people are being cautious. With Jes working on the figs over a long period, the logistical hurdle of GW’s sculpting schedule / what their guys are busy with is not really a factor.

You're right, I can't distinguish anything from all the garbage Dark Eldar rumours we've heard for years. People are being cautious? What people? All we know is that some people who we don't know claim something that can't be verified while offering no proof whatsoever, masking it all with blanket statements that the whatever-release is an industrial secret and they can't say anything more except vague lies disguised as half-truths in order to stroke their internet egos. You're talking like Games Workshop is somekind of military technology lab with airtight security policies and personnel scans. It's a British company that makes toy soldiers for kids. If someone leaks some information about a future release it'll take them a century to find out something was leaked in the first place not to mention who leaked it and how.

Now, regarding the fact that the Dark Eldar might actually get released soon, I've been asking people how they can expect the whole line to be resculpted and released alongside new models for new units in one go. It's an important question and you're wrong in saying I'm off base with that one. You believe it's possible, I believe it isn't. I can agree that their goal might be to re-do the entire line but I'd guess the timeline for that is an abstract one. Of course, the same can be said of any army. They'll resculpt every Space Marine unit and vehicle too, but it'll take 20 years.

I thought this was universal knowledge, but there's not much in the way of discussion here.

DE Raider in the new codex:

12/10/10 open-topped - its got rails and stuff, and looks...weird. Take off the pointy raider front and round it, mix it with a star wars sand skimming thingy. I didn't ask if they were scouts or not, but probably wouldn't have gotten an answer if I did since this was all casual conversation, but they retain dark lances and are 55 points.

I don't know anything about upgrades or anything else about the DE codex coming this fall except for 12/10/10 open-topped, new shape, dark lance, 55 points.

Just because some people are uncertain about this:

1.) It is confirmed that the whole range of DE miniatures will get new models.
2.) Jes was sculpting for the last 3 years or so to achieve this. He got all the time he needed, so this is not comparable to the BA release.
3.) Most models are ready, the Codex at the printers.
4.) Some people have seen them and say that they are awesome.
5.) Not all are ready, some will be released in a second wave, which usually is more than 6 months later.
6.) If you do lists of units, leave room for new units, as all new Codices feature new stuff.

I don't know anything about upgrades or anything else about the DE codex coming this fall except for 12/10/10 open-topped, new shape, dark lance, 55 points.

Raider>Chimera>Razorback? I'm liking the idea of fielding 6 Hydras and only 1 Manticore more and more.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I think GW will release them over two months, to allow for the large number of kits that will have to come out.

Assuming new DE are coming out, I think we're looking at a big initial "splash" push for the core:
- plastic Lord, metal Characters
- plastic Warriors & plastic Wyches,
- plastic Raider / Ravager,
- plastic Jetbikes
- plastic Talos & plastic Scourges
Then, plan on the rest (metals) dribbling out in 2 or 3 Waves.

When I said initial release could be over 2 months thats just to cover the amount of production needed to get more than three plastic kits on sale. Say the releases start end of September (for lack of a better arbitrary month), Septembers production would be 4 DE kits... then two weeks into November another two kits would be ready.

The only thing I see wrong with your intial core release is that I'm inclined to believe GW will release something entirely new to give something to the old timers who might not want to replace their whole army. That some unit that GW percieves as redundant for the inital launch will be put back until a later release... lets say scourges... once again throwing a small bone to the people who held onto their old minis all this time.

Unless Wyches do in fact end up a troop choice, I don't think they'll be plastic. They could be done up like the aspect warriors or Sternguard... with a 5-6 man metal squad box and singles sold direct order. If they're troops, I think they'd be plastic but there would be good odds they wouldn't be in the initial release... as another troop choice they might be percieved as redundant in favor of Scourges or other choice. Forcing player to buy Warriors to fill out their army, while they wait for Wyches, sounds like a GW marketing strategy.

Kroothawk wrote:Just because some people are uncertain about this:

1.) It is confirmed that the whole range of DE miniatures will get new models.
2.) Jes was sculpting for the last 3 years or so to achieve this. He got all the time he needed, so this is not comparable to the BA release.
3.) Most models are ready, the Codex at the printers.
4.) Some people have seen them and say that they are awesome.
5.) Not all are ready, some will be released in a second wave, which usually is more than 6 months later.
6.) If you do lists of units, leave room for new units, as all new Codices feature new stuff.

1.) Who confirmed it? When did they confirm it and where?
2.) Who has confirmed this information to be true and not fan fabrication? When? Where?
3.) Confirmed? By who? When? Where?
4.) What people? Can you confirm those people exist?
5.) As I suspected, but who confirmed this and when and where?
6.) I'm not sure what you mean except that the new codex will have new units in it. Who confirmed this information, when, and where?

See, you can't just say someone said, confirmed or saw something and expect it to be taken as the truth. What you said didn't confirm anything at all, only reminded us of a bunch of rumours.

4) I can confirm that the new models are, in fact, awesome!

Alpharius wrote:4) I can confirm that the new models are, in fact, awesome!

You've seen the new models and the word you'd use to describe them is awesome? Which models did you see? When? Where? How? Why? Are there any other adjectives you'd like to use to describe them, or would that breach your contract, undoubtedly resulting in GW's army of lawyers taking everything you own and maybe even having you assassinated just to make sure you don't reveal any other secrets like what brand of coffee they drink at the studio?

I can confirm they've been confirmed. Much of it are things that have been stated by GW designers. GW is being a little more open about DE since they'd been such a long time coming back burner project for so long.

1 and 2 were stated by Phil Kelly, when someone inquired if he was writing the DE codex.

3 Was originally stated by someone who works at the printer who prints GW books. This was reconfirmed by a number of people on warseer who have regular contact with the game designers.

4 IDK

5 and 6 are just no brainers and are the norm for this edition, they should just go without say.

Therion, you say we are being too enthusiastic about this.

I say you are taking it too seriously.

Allright then, so the part that was fan speculation was that the codex will have new units and that there are going to new models for those new units, and that the new models for existing and new units all look awesome. Secondly, the so called confirmation that the codex is at the printers sounds like one of these "So my friend Bob knows this guy Joe from the pub whose cousin-in-law works at this printing company and he said GW's Codex: Dark Eldar is at their printers" rumours. Lastly, if it's so obvious that the new models will be released in two or three waves (as is the norm for this edition as you said) why are people like Mannahnin arguing that the DE will be a mega release of 15+ new units all in one go? Is it because any information we have on that subject is nothing but speculation? I remember my earliest posts saying that I expect the scenario to be a couple new plastic boxes and then an agonising wait for new models that may or may not come, forcing everyone to convert a lot of stuff, à la Tyranids/SW/BA/IG.

Anyway, I won't derail your thread any further.

Therion wrote:Allright then, so the part that was fan speculation was that the codex will have new units and that there are going to new models for those new units, and that the new models for existing and new units all look awesome. Secondly, the so called confirmation that the codex is at the printers sounds like one of these "So my friend Bob knows this guy Joe from the pub whose cousin-in-law works at this printing company and he said GW's Codex: Dark Eldar is at their printers" rumours. Lastly, if it's so obvious that the new models will be released in two or three waves (as is the norm for this edition as you said) why are people like Mannahnin arguing that the DE will be a mega release of 15+ new units all in one go? Is it because any information we have on that subject is nothing but speculation?

Some people, like me, do speculate because we don't have 1st hand information. Other people has that information. The problem would be having two opposite rumours from one source, but it's not the case.

Therion wrote:I remember my earliest posts saying that I expect the scenario to be a couple new plastic boxes and then an agonising wait for new models that may or may not come, forcing everyone to convert a lot of stuff, à la Tyranids/SW/BA/IG.

What do you need to convert for that armies? The BA flyer and IG stormtroopers? They have their own rumours too... This armies have almost the full range available, with one note: nids, SM & IG already had a strong product range. We can't say that of DE.

Therion wrote:Anyway, I won't derail your thread any further.

We are all free to give our opinion.

Yikes Therion.

Have a little faith. You are ranting against GW worst than H, and I thought he was bad.

Several sources "in the know" have confirmed the DE codex at printers, have in fact seen the models. Those same people were 95% right in everything they predicted about BA's and Tyranids and every other codex released this edition.

If some is right 95% of the time about every single 40k release thus far in 5th edition doesn't it stand to reason that they are right again?

As to GW taking a lifetime to find their source of "leaks"...think again. Anything TOO revealing is normally yanked within 24 hours. From there it might take GW only a matter of weeks/days to find the culprit that leaked the info.

Know what happens to people who leak company secrets and get fired? They end up working at Walmart as a greeter the rest of their lives because no company will ever trust them again to keep hush on anything.

So, just because you want names of sources doesn't mean that it's all lies when someone won't reveal their sources. Nobody wants to get sued (and breaching an NDA is cause for a lawsuit and immediate termination) for being THAT guy who revealed their source. When the source of the leak is found all of his/her contacts can be held accountable as well and sued.

Reds8n isn't withholding his source just to be TFG, he's doing it because he'd rather not have to refinance his home and give part of his income every month to settling a lawsuit.

1+2 also confirmed by Jervis plus a podcast with Jes about 1.5 years ago where he stated that he is half done with the range.
3+4+5 also confirmed by Harry.
6 just common sense as new units are missing in the lists of this thread.
The spam of DE threads makes it difficult to find the quotes, so I made the summary from memory.

aka_mythos wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote: Assuming new DE are coming out, I think we're looking at a big initial "splash" push for the core:

Then, plan on the rest (metals) dribbling out in 2 or 3 Waves.

When I said initial release could be over 2 months thats just to cover the amount of production needed to get more than three plastic kits on sale.

The only thing I see wrong with your intial core release is that I'm inclined to believe GW will release something entirely new to give something to the old timers who might not want to replace their whole army. That some unit that GW percieves as redundant for the inital launch will be put back until a later release...

Unless Wyches do in fact end up a troop choice, I don't think they'll be plastic. They could be done up like the aspect warriors or Sternguard...

OK, that's entirely possible, too.

My core thoughts were just extending from current GW practice as 2 "normal" Waves worth of stuff: 1 Lord & 2 Troops + Transport; easy plastic "fillers" for Fast, Heavy. All-plastic because that's GW's money-maker. I picked Talos because it's a big model, and GW hates large metal; Scourges because the plastic Warrior design makes them trivially easy to do as a modular kit a la Tac/AM; Jetbikes, because they're already plastic.

Rumors are on Wyches as Troops, but yeah, I can see them like Sternguard where Lilith makes them Troops. Perhaps the Incubi Master and Kruellagh will do something for. They cry out to be plastic, tho.

This will not be an ordinary release, neither model nor backgroundwise. The DE have about 5-10 pages of official background, if you search hard. So no copy&paste for this one.

Some rumours expect the following to be in the first wave:

1.) New plastic Warriors
2.) New plastic Wyches
3.) New Plastic Raider/Ravager
4.) New larger plastic Talos.

Finally something that sounds like information, confirmed or not. Way better than the pages of wish lists, complaints, etc. Thank you, Kroothawk.

Therion wrote:the so called confirmation that the codex is at the printers sounds like one of these "So my friend Bob knows this guy Joe from the pub whose cousin-in-law works at this printing company and he said GW's Codex: Dark Eldar is at their printers" rumours.

So how is this any different from any other codex release, six months prior? Or any of these rumors for that matter? This pattern has been consistent through every 5th ed codex release. We had nothing solid on IG until a month or two before they were released. Same with Tyranids. Same with SWs. Same with BA. Etc. All we knew was "soon" whatever that meant... And that's where DE are now.

Though I suppose it's somewhat understandable that DE are held to a higher level of scrutiny. But it has been known for so long that DE are close to finished, if not already finished, that at some point people have to just retire their tired arguments against that fact. The only thing there is to argue at this point is "when".

Here's something posted about a year ago at Librarium Online which seems to be in line with what we're hearing from other sources (independent from one another) at this time:

Posted by Deris87
I had a chat with my local GW manager for about an hour today concerning his conversations with Phil Kelly at Adepticon. This manager is normally tight as a clam about rumors and tidbits but being a pointy ear player himself he was pretty eager to share. He didn't mention any real rules nitty gritty but he did tell me a few things that make me really eager to see a new dex.

-Fluff concerning DE society and particularly religion are going to be fleshed out a lot more, to show more of their similarities and differences with Craftworld Eldar. He said Kelly put particular emphasis on how in both fluff and game mechanics Eldar and Dark Eldar are very much mirrors of each other.

-There will be a Dark Avatar of Khaine, as well as Harlequins in the new dex.

-It really will be a ground up re-write of the dex, don't expect the army to look the same. He did say raider rush style assault lists will certainly still be there though.

Grain of salt and what not. I personally don't have any reason to doubt this manager, but certainly any of this could change by the actual release of the dex. Even if this is just a glimpse into their vision right now for the dex, I'm really excited by it. Dark Avatar of Khaine would be awesome, he also said there'd be a new plastic model for it along with new regular Eldar plastics coming out down the road.

And here's a rumor that makes me think Mandrakes will be among the first plastic kits. Also from Librarium Online Dec of 2007:

DE will come with an entirely new range of models (except for the jetbikes; I’ve been told these will probably stay as is for now...sorry). Don’t expect significant changes to the DE theme. They are still the light raider force and there will be only one new troop type in the list (hint....this troop type already exists in another list...duh). However they have re-tooled the less useful units to be more appealing. Mandrakes will be in every list (think units of mini lictors). Heavy weapons are gone (what?). All DE will carry Assault weapons (I guess this means dark lances will now be assault, ouch!). Splinter rifles will be 18” S3 Assault 2.

I'm sure these have been posted here before. Just tossing them up as a reminder, or in case some people haven't seen them yet.

EDIT: 2nd quote was from Dosadi at Warseer.

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Hey Therion, there's a whole thread about you in the polls section.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Therion

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Rated 'M' for Mature.

If the rumors are true, Orks vs Dark Eldar will be a very fun game.