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The Dark Eldar will not be denied!!


Just waiting for the S and M squads to start showing up.
Here is a sample of the rumors out there-
- Witches with the +1 strap on

-Gimp squad with a 2+ save ball gag

Tied up and spanked space marine on a stick, his shame give the dark eldar unit an extra D6 attacks after deflowering him.

-Man elves in school girl uniforms with a 2+ attack from the stilletto heels.

You've heard the news here, first!

As some others have posted, Jes Goodwin is reason enough for me to give the DE a serious look. Making the DE a true alpha strike army seems very plausable considering their original concept. I can definitely foresee options helping them to go first, bonuses to reserve rolls, webway portals which allow assaults the turn they enter (BA now have the ability in a sense, so it doesn't seem too outlandish a thought).

I'd love to see Harlies in the codex. It means less models for me to paint since their already are with my Eldar army.

Just don't make the Wyches look like S&M Gladiators and all will be well.

Reecius wrote:Just please get rid of the Man Elves in Man Thongs, the rest I can take.

Your wish has been granted- the thongs are gone. ;D

Can't believe no one has mentioned the AV 12/10/10 open-topped part yet. ><

If the new raiders are the same shape as the old it will be damn near impossible to claim front armor since they are wedges.

Actually the shape of the front armour plate would make it very difficult to penetrate from the front (just look at the development of sloped armour for tanks). The problem is that it doesn't cover enough of the vehicle to do anything useful..

Fluffwise if they keep the current aesthetic of the raider I can see them explaining an armour rise by having a forcefield on the front.

To be honest, though, I can't see a need for an armour upgrade - I mean, its not as if raider-spam does badly in competitive play.

Clthomps wrote:If the new raiders are the same shape as the old it will be damn near impossible to claim front armor since they are wedges.

~! Actually - I'd been having this discussion earlier in the week.



Not that hard once one marks the center and uses the outermost corner of the model (ignoring decorative elements of course )

Grot 6 wrote:The Dark Eldar will not be denied!!


Just waiting for the S and M squads to start showing up.
Here is a sample of the rumors out there-
- Witches with the +1 strap on

-Gimp squad with a 2+ save ball gag

Tied up and spanked space marine on a stick, his shame give the dark eldar unit an extra D6 attacks after deflowering him.

-Man elves in school girl uniforms with a 2+ attack from the stilletto heels.

You've heard the news here, first!

Well, we also know what kind of porn Grot 6 likes now.

Question: what models do the majority of current DE players possess in abundance?
Answer: Raiders/Ravagers

The new codex will 'encourage' DE players to purchase new models. Therefore we can conclude, with certainty, that the new codex will either a) nerf raiders (increase point cost etc) or b) present units which are better options.

We saw this clearly enough with BA. To wit, the BA vehicles were made extremely attractive so all the BA players with tons of jump-pack marines would reach into their wallets.

olympia wrote:The new codex will 'encourage' DE players to purchase new models. Therefore we can conclude, with certainty, that the new codex will either a) nerf raiders (increase point cost etc) or b) present units which are better options.

You are aware that the whole DE range is resculpted, right? Every single model!

H.B.M.C. wrote:Hyping the complete re-design and re-release of a 10+ year old army would just be stupid. Better to not reveal anything until the last possible moment.

Yeah, better deny the major release of a 10+ year old megaseller (that introduced many gamers to the hobby) even on a Games Day one day before release ... and make the release limited ***cough Space Hulk cough ***

Kroothawk wrote:

olympia wrote:The new codex will 'encourage' DE players to purchase new models. Therefore we can conclude, with certainty, that the new codex will either a) nerf raiders (increase point cost etc) or b) present units which are better options.

You are aware that the whole DE range is resculpted, right? Every single model!

Yes of course and you can expcet that GW will do everything within the power of the codex to 'encourage' DE players to buy these new models rather than running raider spam. What's your point? Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me or just stating something that we all know?

My point is that getting a new model doesn't indicate a special new rôle in the Codex, as all models will be new.
DE have a 12 year old Codex and are mostly mail order only, so few active gamers will own old DE models. And even almost all DE players will long to have non-ugly models.

So if the models are good (and they will be), sales will be almost completely independent of the fact, that some people own old models.

The nids already have a s10, ap1, lance, Melta range-18 physic shooting attack.

Kroothawk wrote:My point is that getting a new model doesn't indicate a special new rôle in the Codex, as all models will be new.
DE have a 12 year old Codex and are mostly mail order only, so few active gamers will own old DE models. And even almost all DE players will long to have non-ugly models.

So if the models are good (and they will be), sales will be almost completely independent of the fact, that some people own old models.

You are aware that all the current DE gamers own old DE models, right? Every single model!

The only minis I'll be buying when codex comes out, will be new units if they are worth it. I own the full range, with the exception of Asdrubael Vect and warriors with special weapons (blasters and shredders). And most of veteran DE gamers are in a similar situation.

Erasoketa wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:My point is that getting a new model doesn't indicate a special new rôle in the Codex, as all models will be new.
DE have a 12 year old Codex and are mostly mail order only, so few active gamers will own old DE models. And even almost all DE players will long to have non-ugly models.

So if the models are good (and they will be), sales will be almost completely independent of the fact, that some people own old models.

You are aware that all the current DE gamers own old DE models, right? Every single model!

The only minis I'll be buying when codex comes out, will be new units if they are worth it. I own the full range, with the exception of Asdrubael Vect and warriors with special weapons (blasters and shredders). And most of veteran DE gamers are in a similar situation.

Would you believe me if I told you that you'll probably want to throw away all your existing models when you see the new ones?


I'm guessing you won't believe me, but listen to me now and believe me later...get the wastebasket (aka Ebay account) ready.

As an Ork player a melta lance sounds 'orrifying.

I'm seriously intrigued. Now that my nids army is nearing completion I was actually looking for another army to start.

Lots of lace weapons? That's the current problem with the DE list, players have to take masses of dark lances to stand a chance of winning. If the new codex is designed like that it's already broken IMO.

But as predicted, it's been a fortnight since the last DE thread and still no real evidence of anything.

:p

yakface wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Needs moar dakka!

I has dakka!

Would you believe me if I told you that you'll probably want to throw away all your existing models when you see the new ones?


I'm guessing you won't believe me, but listen to me now and believe me later...get the wastebasket (aka Ebay account) ready.

I have an idea of how the release will be. It's just a speculation, but given the comments I read and the fact that Jes Goodwin is leading the design, I'm pretty sure most of the minis are gonna kick ass. And probably we will have a razorgor-eq between the shiny new treasures, there is always a chance for that. Or great minis at a insane price (like the Vampire knights that cost the same as a battallion box - has GW sold any box of them?). You have probably seen the minis, and if you think they are not going to be a fail, then it's a kind of guarantee of cool minis coming...

However my income is limited. I'll probably but a lot of new minis in a space of months-years. But in the first release, I will only be buying the codex. I wish the core warrior box will include all the weapon options, and if that's the case, I would substitute my raider-warriors units slowly. I already have more than 60... Plastic Talos? Full-plastic Ravager? Plastic wyches? That would be awesome! But not for me now.

Erasoketa wrote:You are aware that all the current DE gamers own old DE models, right? Every single model!

yakface wrote:Would you believe me if I told you that you'll probably want to throw away all your existing models when you see the new ones?

I own a lot of DE miniatures and I want to throw away most of them just now whatever the new ones will look
(except the Jet bikes, talos and Drazhar)

ChocolateGork wrote:The nids already have a s10, ap1, lance, range-18 physic shooting attack.

Fixed that for you

Zoanthrope blast is ALMOST a melta shot. Almost.

ChocolateGork wrote:The nids already have a s10, ap1, lance, Melta range-18 physic shooting attack.

However, it doesn't have the melta special rule. Plus it has shortcomings that help to balance out the weapon's strength, namely that as a psychic power it can be potentially blocked by hoods, shadows in the warp, rune priests, ect. It also has a smaller 18" + 6" movement threat range.

Hey! I'm not saying I agree with how GW runs their business, I'm just saying that's how it probably is going to be.

I don't get it either - we are (allegedly) talking about JES FREAKIN' GOODWIN models here!

The saddest thing is that realistically how many new models can they release in one go? How many new models have the recent new armies got? Let's assume Jes has sculpted the new Warrior plastic box, a plastic box that allows you to make a Ravager and/or Raider, new metal Incubi and three to four HQ/special characters. What else can we realistically expect? New plastic Wyches? Bikes? Hellions? Talos? What about the new units that we're being promised, especially as every single new codex has had plenty of them? Are they getting models at all? Unlikely.

Seriously, the Dark Eldar line has nothing but awful and/or outdated models and they all have to be replaced and this won't happen anytime soon because there's simply too much stuff to do. We'll get the most important two plastic boxes, some metals, and the rest will keep waiting for many more years. Basically, everyone will convert everything from the new Warrior kit.

how many new models can they release?

All the chatter regarding Dark Eldar has indicated that the entire range is being revised and that no existing models will be retained. That is an exception to the norm these days where most ranges have some existing models that are retained while only some are revised for a new release. So the answer to the question if rumors are true is "all of them".

olympia wrote:We saw this clearly enough with BA. To wit, the BA vehicles were made extremely attractive so all the BA players with tons of jump-pack marines would reach into their wallets.

For one, I think that has to do with GW's love affair with vehicles that started with the release of 5th Edition and gets stronger with each new codex. Secondly, their is good money to be made on mech given that a rhino costs $30 for 35 points vs say terminators which are $50 for 200 points. Lastly, most players just love playing mech, which keeps the games popularity on the rise.

So I for one am of the oppinion that raiders and ravagers will have some great rules and yet be relatively cheap (from a pts perspective)...dollar wise prepare to assume the position.

So the answer to the question if rumors are true is "all of them".

That simply cannot and won't be the case. Expecting GW to release five or six new plastic boxes and five or six new metal units plus heroes plus all the possible new vehicles and/or units, all in one go, is simply delusional, as might be the whole idea of DE getting released at all. That would be the biggest single army release they've probably ever done and let's be honest half of the people don't even remember Dark Eldar exist anymore not to mention that there would be a sufficiently large fanbase ready to buy all those new kits.

Kroothawk wrote:My point is that getting a new model doesn't indicate a special new rôle in the Codex, as all models will be new.
DE have a 12 year old Codex and are mostly mail order only, so few active gamers will own old DE models. And even almost all DE players will long to have non-ugly models.

So if the models are good (and they will be), sales will be almost completely independent of the fact, that some people own old models.

I personally don't care how 'pretty' the new models will be. I'll still be running the 3k points worth of models I currently have. However...that doesn't mean I wouldn't pick up any of the new models.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Lots of lace weapons? That's the current problem with the DE list, players have to take masses of dark lances to stand a chance of winning. If the new codex is designed like that it's already broken IMO.

But as predicted, it's been a fortnight since the last DE thread and still no real evidence of anything.

:p

Well, we don't know how the new codex will be since it hasn't been released. And of course DL spam is what all DE players do because it's the only viable weapon option for anything. I personally only switch to Disintegrators when going against horde armies.

BrassScorpion wrote:

how many new models can they release?

All the chatter regarding Dark Eldar has indicated that the entire range is being revised and that no existing models will be retained. That is an exception to the norm these days where most ranges have some existing models that are retained while only some are revised for a new release. So the answer to the question if rumors are true is "all of them".

IMO, you are probably both right. They will revise all the models, but I highly doubt they will release them all in one wave. More than likely you will see wave one with the codex and wave two a year later, and a potentail wave 3 later.

Therion wrote:

Hey! I'm not saying I agree with how GW runs their business, I'm just saying that's how it probably is going to be.

I don't get it either - we are (allegedly) talking about JES FREAKIN' GOODWIN models here!

The saddest thing is that realistically how many new models can they release in one go? How many new models have the recent new armies got? Let's assume Jes has sculpted the new Warrior plastic box, a plastic box that allows you to make a Ravager and/or Raider, new metal Incubi and three to four HQ/special characters. What else can we realistically expect? New plastic Wyches? Bikes? Hellions? Talos? What about the new units that we're being promised, especially as every single new codex has had plenty of new units in them. Are they getting models at all? Unlikely.

Seriously, the Dark Eldar line has nothing but awful and/or outdated models and they all have to be replaced and this won't happen anytime soon because there's simply too much stuff to do. We'll get the most important two plastic boxes, some metals, and the rest will keep waiting for many more years. Basically, everyone will convert everything from the new Warrior kit.

I guess you are right for a regular codex update. But we have been told that this is not a regular update. We have been told that this is going to be in the line of Wood Elves. Well, GW has had a lot of time to develope tons of minis lol

Kroothawk wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:You are aware that all the current DE gamers own old DE models, right? Every single model!

yakface wrote:Would you believe me if I told you that you'll probably want to throw away all your existing models when you see the new ones?

I own a lot of DE miniatures and I want to throw away most of them just now whatever the new ones will look
(except the Jet bikes, talos and Drazhar)

If you want to get rid of them now, then you are not true spicky grimdark enough!

Drazhar is like the Escher heavy, the Green Knight, Azrael, Dante... (and IIRC Eschers, Azrael and Dante were designed by Jes...)