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Thankfully Billy Bob wasn't available for Karl Franz.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Why does Karl Franz have an English accent?

Why shouldn't he?

As far as I know, his accent is not stated.

Well, the empire is based off Germany so would make more sense its German. However, yes it is a "fantasy" world so I suppose he could be British? Although why take all German names then?

Well then... that is incredable footage. I am now officially excited !

 Ashiraya wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Why does Karl Franz have an English accent?

Why shouldn't he?

As far as I know, his accent is not stated.

I guess the whole Germanic thing that the Empire is based upon didn't include accents (but does include naming conventions)

 judgedoug wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Why does Karl Franz have an English accent?

Why shouldn't he?

As far as I know, his accent is not stated.

I guess the whole Germanic thing that the Empire is based upon didn't include accents (but does include naming conventions)

Everyone in the 40k universe has English accents, even the aliens. Why wouldn't that be the same for the Fantasy world? I bet you even the Slann will have really posh accents.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Why does Karl Franz have an English accent?

Why shouldn't he?

As far as I know, his accent is not stated.

I guess the whole Germanic thing that the Empire is based upon didn't include accents (but does include naming conventions)

Or, more likely, they didn't want people pissing themselves laughing at supposedly serious scenes because of English-speaking VA putting on fething terrible 'Allo 'Allo-style German accents(which seems to be the only style American/British actors can do). Mehn ov ze Empiah, foawahd, fur ZEEGMAR! etc

 infinite_array wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Why does Karl Franz have an English accent?

Why shouldn't he?

As far as I know, his accent is not stated.

I guess the whole Germanic thing that the Empire is based upon didn't include accents (but does include naming conventions)

Everyone in the 40k universe has English accents, even the aliens. Why wouldn't that be the same for the Fantasy world? I bet you even the Slann will have really posh accents.

Of course the Slaan won't.


All his dialogue will be spoken through his Skink attendant.

That gameplay footage looked fantastic. Nice to see that CA seem to be acknowledging parts that still need improvement such as cavalry impacts and whatnot. The fact that the release date is still far away gives me hope that it is not going to be rushed out like Rome 2 was.

Did anyone else find themselves twisting their head to follow the goblin doomdiver? Seems like a cool little addition to the new cinematic experience that we have seen in the last few TW games.

This looks awesome! This will probably warrant another Gfx card

They have said this is the first of 3 games and they will all link together, so I imagine each expansion will add new races and maps etc with their own campaign. Fingers crossed we get to see a sort of world map by then end in a similar way to Empire TW

For pre-alpha this looks incredible. I'm definitely very excited for it.

Who knows, maybe if it does well enough, they'll make a miniatures game based on it

Haha, +1 SRM.

It does look pretty damn great.

Holy fething gak that looks amazing. I had vibes that translates into "I want to make a GW orc army".

It's really a missed opportunity for GW that they blew up the Old World. Think of the new Fantasy players who would be excited to have miniatures because of this game (kinda like how Dawn of War pulled new 40k players), only to be disappointed because AoS is definitely not what they're looking for.

I am looking REALLY forward to this. Hope the Age of Sigmar nonsense doesn't detract from it... the timing seems odd.

Regarding accents, 40K and Warhammer are created by English companies and therefore they'll have English accents. How many Hollywood films do you see where all the main cast have non-American accents?

For me, anything historical or olde-worlde with American accents is an immediate fail... which is ironic, considering the English accent from pre-American days was supposed to be similar to the modern day US accent.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'll definitely be picking this game up at launch to show some support to the Old Game!

Yeah don't. Really, really don't.

It's a Creative Assembly game, and it's being published by Sega. This means that:

1. It won't be complete at launch.
2. It will be riddled with bugs that will take them several patches to iron out.
3. Sections of the game will be cut and turned into pre-order/Day 1 DLC.

You shouldn't buy PC games at launch to begin with, but if it's this creative duo, you definitely should not be buying at launch.

Have you played the games from Creative Assembly? Shogun, etc? Because that's not what they do. There is some DLC that comes later, and that' s part of life. But the other stuff= NOPE.

Nice Black Fire pass video, magic does look extremely powerful in this, no matter how the video claims 'balance'.

Even Foot of Gork will have trouble one shotting a Stank.

By the way, whats with the Celestial wizard calling down a comet on the front lines. Skaven wannabe?

Could Celestial wizards do that in WHFB? I'm not au fait with Empire stuff.

Yea.

Comets not a template so you can put it anywhere.

 Moopy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'll definitely be picking this game up at launch to show some support to the Old Game!

Yeah don't. Really, really don't.

It's a Creative Assembly game, and it's being published by Sega. This means that:

1. It won't be complete at launch.
2. It will be riddled with bugs that will take them several patches to iron out.
3. Sections of the game will be cut and turned into pre-order/Day 1 DLC.

You shouldn't buy PC games at launch to begin with, but if it's this creative duo, you definitely should not be buying at launch.

Have you played the games from Creative Assembly? Shogun, etc? Because that's not what they do. There is some DLC that comes later, and that' s part of life. But the other stuff= NOPE.

Can confirm that it is what they do now. Rome 2 onwards especially. Blood and gore pack? Races packs? They can't wait for a beastmen pack or something.

I'll still buy it because I'm shallow and unprincipled and the game itself looks amazing. CA.

And yet, Alien Isolation was a solid PC release that was a complete experience where nothing of the main story was cut or locked away behind pay walls.

 Moopy wrote:
Have you played the games from Creative Assembly? Shogun, etc? Because that's not what they do. There is some DLC that comes later, and that' s part of life. But the other stuff= NOPE.

That's not what they do. It's what SEGA does, the publisher. They control the release of the game.

And Shogun? That came out in 2000. That's a long time before DLC took a crippling hold of the gaming industry.

As for the rest, going backwards:

Total War Attila - 5 DLC packs so far.
Rome II - Has USD$90 worth of DLC.
Shogun II - Has USD$50 worth of DLC + a full expansion which itself has USD$15 worth of DLC.
Napoleon - The DLC for this came currently costs more than the game itself.
Empire - This game came out 2009 and still has over USD$20 worth of DLC.

Some of this stuff is pre-order, some of it is store-specific, and all of it now is generic as most of these games have been out long enough that the exclusivity part of the DLC has faded away. It still happened, though. But it's only when we hit Medieval II, a game that's almost 10 years old, do we find ourselves free of the endlessly increasing DLC.

So yeah, this does happen quite a bit.

But by all means, pre-order the game. You'll get what you paid for.

 BrookM wrote:
And yet, Alien Isolation was a solid PC release that was a complete experience where nothing of the main story was cut or locked away behind pay walls.

And yet still has DLC that costs almost as much as the game itself does (USD$47 vs USD$49).

SEGA is the problem here when it comes to anti-consumer practices. Creative Assembly's problem is actually finishing the game before it gets released.

As with all Total War games; I look forward to buying the complete game 12 months after initial release in a Steam sale.
Very excited though.

 heartserenade wrote:
Holy fething gak that looks amazing. I had vibes that translates into "I want to make a GW orc army".

It's really a missed opportunity for GW that they blew up the Old World. Think of the new Fantasy players who would be excited to have miniatures because of this game (kinda like how Dawn of War pulled new 40k players), only to be disappointed because AoS is definitely not what they're looking for.

Yep - this will be a great recruitment tool for a game that doesn't exist anymore.

I think this game will sell a lot of copies. Anyone know how the core total war fans are receiving this title ?

jcrone2 wrote:
I think this game will sell a lot of copies. Anyone know how the core total war fans are receiving this title ?

I imagine there's some overlap. The first Total War game I played was the first Shogun, and I'm quite excited about this.

jcrone2 wrote:
I think this game will sell a lot of copies. Anyone know how the core total war fans are receiving this title ?

Alot of the hooting and hollaring is because its not Medieval 3, which is what some people wanted. CA said on their facebook page that they have another team doing early work on an as yet unnamed historical game in the Total War series. Speculation is that is indeed Medieval.

I'm pumped for this game, as I am for all Total War games, especially after they knocked it out of the park with Attila. Its gotta be my favorite TW game so far. Another thing I'm looking forward to is the possibilities that the Warhammer game will open. The engine that allows massive spells, crazy warmachines and flying monsters makes me wonder if they could pull off a WW1 game... Early tanks, apocalyptic artillery and rudimentary flying attacks could easily transfer over maybe.

Part of me is pumped by this, part of me remembers that total War 'in game videos' are about as honest as the bikini clad fantasy girls promising high graphics browser games.

Will it look like what we see, I hope so, but very likely not.

Sorry Creative Assembly, but you have to prove to us this is not another Rome II of empty promises. You will definitely get the chance to do so though, the floor is yours.

 Brother SRM wrote:
For pre-alpha this looks incredible. I'm definitely very excited for it.

Who knows, maybe if it does well enough, they'll make a miniatures game based on it

I think Mantic is doing one

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
Have you played the games from Creative Assembly? Shogun, etc? Because that's not what they do. There is some DLC that comes later, and that' s part of life. But the other stuff= NOPE.

That's not what they do. It's what SEGA does, the publisher. They control the release of the game.

And Shogun? That came out in 2000. That's a long time before DLC took a crippling hold of the gaming industry.

As for the rest, going backwards:

Total War Attila - 5 DLC packs so far.
Rome II - Has USD$90 worth of DLC.
Shogun II - Has USD$50 worth of DLC + a full expansion which itself has USD$15 worth of DLC.
Napoleon - The DLC for this came currently costs more than the game itself.
Empire - This game came out 2009 and still has over USD$20 worth of DLC.

Some of this stuff is pre-order, some of it is store-specific, and all of it now is generic as most of these games have been out long enough that the exclusivity part of the DLC has faded away. It still happened, though. But it's only when we hit Medieval II, a game that's almost 10 years old, do we find ourselves free of the endlessly increasing DLC.

So yeah, this does happen quite a bit.

But by all means, pre-order the game. You'll get what you paid for.

Yes, Shogun was an example, not the exact time reference. It was a signature brand.

DLC is here to stay, in just about every game that there is, and has been for years now. Outside of Day-1 DLC (content that should have been in the game but greed made it separate), it's time to move on past it. Time to get over the idea that everything MUST BE in the main game and anything new must be free even though people got paid to make it. It doesn't, and it helps studios keep adding extra content into a game to give it legs. What CA doesn't do, which seems to have gotten over as soon as DLC was mentioned, is put out incredibly buggy games with no testing. Yes SEGA is the producer and as a video game artist I know their role well, but that hasn't stopped CA from putting out well crafted games up to this point.

Oh and pointing to how one guy didn't like a game and saying it's bad because of that review, isn't good logic. ROME 2 got 4/5 on Metacritc and Mostly Positive on Steam. But your milage may vary.

 Moopy wrote:
Oh and pointing to how one guy didn't like a game and saying it's bad because of that review, isn't good logic. ROME 2 got 4/5 on Metacritc and Mostly Positive on Steam. But your milage may vary.

I assume you didn't watch it. He never said he didn't like the game - he said the bugs that have been around for over a decade, which were fixed in the previous game and then returned for the next, are unforgiveable these days. And he's right.

I'm going to admit that I didn't watch the all of it. However you don't make a 43 minute video complaining loudly and bitterly about a game you love with examples of how "broken" it is. He didn't like it and that part was obvious. He's got a youtube channel where his purpose is to entertain people. Being subdued about something isn't going be interesting. All of the graphic errors he showed in his video, I never encountered; my friend and I played Rome: 2 the day it came out in MP and saw none of it. I can't take that part seriously since something was wrong local to him. Unsupported card? Old driver? So he's mad- got it. Users with unpowered graphics cards, or a host of other things, can post about how bad something is even if some of that was on their shoulders.

I didn't care for Rome 2 because I didn't like how the units rolls were structured, but that was my personal preference on how I like to play these types of games, not because the units sucked or didn't work right.

I'm very excited about TW:W because it looks like units have very specific rolls (medium infantry, heavy infantry, missile units, siege weapons, etc...) the way Shogun 1&2 had them. Even though all the animations weren't in the pre-alpha this still gave a very strong sense of gameplay. Can't wait!