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 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

migooo wrote:
No wonder there was no plastic slayers...


I think that the dwaf and elf and humans could end up in a forces of light book

The funny thing is that Dwarf Slayers fared best out of the Holds...

I'm guessing Dwarf Slayers will be something that pops up in one of the future wave releases.

Supposed future wave releases.

Er, right. Hence I said "I'm guessing."

Then you should have said something to the effect of:
"I'm guessing that Dwarf Slayers might be something that pops up if the wave release rumor is true".

As it stands, it makes it sound like you have some kind of information suggesting that you know the "wave release" rumor is a fact.

I can't stay mad at you. Without your rumor tracker, I'd be stuck having to trust the insanity on Naftka!

And just to be clear, I'm not mad that the GW is changing the bases (for at least the T4/Sv 3+ models at this point) from 32mm to 25mm, I just wish they would be clear about what exactly their plan is.

As it stands right now, the only "plan" they've mentioned is that the sculptors feel that the 32mm bases are better for those models because of the looks.

 Fango wrote:

I am sad to see the Lizardmen routed from the Old World (possibly for good?!) as my buddy JUST started collecting them...and it's really looking bleak for the entire Dwarf race...

Lustria isn't part of the Old World. It and Naggaroth form "The New World".

Fun to see some Lustria specific scenarios and special rules...but what's the point now that

Spoiler:

Lustria and the Southlands have been obliterated by asteroid chunks from Morrslieb

?

As of right now, I'm pretty sure that the Southlands are intact.

And the point of Lustria specific scenarios and special rules is so that you can play the campaign.

 Laemos wrote:
What is happening with ogres and great maw?

no mention in this book - but there is a certain renowned Ogre Mercenary that does get involved.......

Kanluwen wrote:

 Fango wrote:

I am sad to see the Lizardmen routed from the Old World (possibly for good?!) as my buddy JUST started collecting them...and it's really looking bleak for the entire Dwarf race...

Lustria isn't part of the Old World. It and Naggaroth form "The New World".

My bad. I meant from the Warhammer World as we knew it before the events of the End Times.

As of right now, I'm pretty sure that the Southlands are intact.

"He could not halt the destruction, but Lord Kroak contained it. Lustria and the Southlands were smashed asunder, yet the firestorms were dissipated."

And the point of Lustria specific scenarios and special rules is so that you can play the campaign.

Fair enough.

That's really weird then because The Southlands are in the bloody Old World...so unless the Old World got astronomically aerated then the writers don't know the geography of their own properties.

The north of the Southlands is a barren desert, which borders Araby and Nehekhara, the Land of the Dead. South of the desert and west of the mountains lies the Plain of Tuskers. Most of the rest of the continent is thick jungle, bisected by the Worlds Edge Mountains.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's really weird then because The Southlands are in the bloody Old World...so unless the Old World got astronomically aerated then the writers don't know the geography of their own properties.

The north of the Southlands is a barren desert, which borders Araby and Nehekhara, the Land of the Dead. South of the desert and west of the mountains lies the Plain of Tuskers. Most of the rest of the continent is thick jungle, bisected by the Worlds Edge Mountains.

I'm more curious why the skaven would do something so insanely suicidal. Sure they may not care for their own race but their sense self-preservation is nothing if not even more serious to them than every other living thing.

Seriously skaven try to take over the world not to kill off all life or even possibly all undead as well.

I dunno this worked rather too well. Skaven plans usually go totally wrong when everything's going just fine and it's usually un-done by their own negative traits and flaws. Not to mention thanquol is the most bumbling unsuccessful fool in the whole skaven army book whereas queek is one of the most successful. They totally flipped their normal combat results and efficiency out of nowhere. I suppose queek had it coming but thanquol doesn't seem like the skaven's 'chosen one'. This is just odd.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I'm more curious why the skaven would do something so insanely suicidal. Sure they may not care for their own race but their sense self-preservation is nothing if not even more serious to them than every other living thing.

Seriously skaven try to take over the world not to kill off all life or even possibly all undead as well.

I dunno this worked rather too well. Skaven plans usually go totally wrong when everything's going just fine and it's usually un-done by their own negative traits and flaws. Not to mention thanquol is the most bumbling unsuccessful fool in the whole skaven army book whereas queek is one of the most successful. They totally flipped their normal combat results and efficiency out of nowhere. I suppose queek had it coming but thanquol doesn't seem like the skaven's 'chosen one'. This is just odd.

Honestly, I think that there is much more to it than just making the fluff jive with past fluff...You have to imagine that there was at least a couple of other agendas going on before they even commissioned the authors to write this fiction....

1. Get the Warhammer World/Factions whittled down narratively so that the consolidation in 9th edition still 'jives' somewhat with what came before. (We don't want Dwarfs or Lizardmen to be as prominent - or to even exist - in 9th)

2. Write in major characters (or give existing characters major roles) that they can release as huge (big ticket $ item) plastic kits...Thanquol likley made the most sense here because he has a big Rat Ogre dude that runs around with him...thus they could make a big Uber version of him and sell him for lots of monies ($$!!). The story was likely written around that design constraint....giving him a major role so people would read it and go "Cool, I want to buy that kit so I can reenact that battle in my games!"

If that was the case though, I would have preferred getting my Super Saiyan Level 3 Queek instead of Thanquol- not that I mind the Thanqoul kit. I'm quite happy with it.

They could have had Queek marked by the Horned Rat or some such nonsense, become the chosen vessel of the rat and all powered up, and still given us a big crazy giant kit.

I don't get the flip flopping of roles either.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
If that was the case though, I would have preferred getting my Super Saiyan Level 3 Queek instead of Thanquol- not that I mind the Thanqoul kit. I'm quite happy with it.

They could have had Queek marked by the Horned Rat or some such nonsense, become the chosen vessel of the rat and all powered up, and still given us a big crazy giant kit.

I don't get the flip flopping of roles either.

Sounds a bit too similar to the Verminlord thought this way they got two big kits out.

I love both the big kits, but I'm very hesitant to buy them with everything so up in the air with Fantasy. I love Queek though so I wouldn't have complained if he was the star of the show. But I also like Thanquol... So I'm happy haha. Relatively.

Honestly, I think Boneripper and Thanquol were the best choices.

Boneripper is simply the title given to whatever bodyguard Rat Ogre Thanquol has at the time. The reason he's so big now is that Verminking seemingly forced Clan Moulder to 'improve' the previous Boneripper for Thanquol.

I'm glad they did Thanquol as the big character rather than queek.
Queek is awesome and all, but he doesn't really stand out as the typical skaven. He's just another grimgor/archaon/karl franz.

Thanquol represents the skaven aesthetic almost perfectly. Lucky, bumbling, egotistical, flighty etc.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's really weird then because The Southlands are in the bloody Old World...so unless the Old World got astronomically aerated then the writers don't know the geography of their own properties.

I'd go with this. The new world is North America and Lustria is South America. The Old World is Africa. It's that way on every Warhammer "world" map I've seen.

Unless they were referring to the southern hemisphere in general as being destroyed. That would make more sense, I guess.

Unlike Ulthuan, i think the Lustria / Southlands version of "destroyed" simply means "on fire and full of craters"

 Breotan wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's really weird then because The Southlands are in the bloody Old World...so unless the Old World got astronomically aerated then the writers don't know the geography of their own properties.

I'd go with this. The new world is North America and Lustria is South America. The Old World is Africa. It's that way on every Warhammer "world" map I've seen.

Unless they were referring to the southern hemisphere in general as being destroyed. That would make more sense, I guess.

I think you are both mistaken. Old World= Europe. Southlands = Africa.

From warhammerwiki:

The Old World, the area where most human nations are based, is usually defined as the area west of the World's Edge Mountains, north of Blood River and the Dwarf sea fortress of Barak Varr and south of Troll Country. It is roughly equivalent to historical Europe in the real world. While Norsca is not technically part of the Old World, it shares cultural similarities with it, and is closest to the Old World in terms of distance. The Isle of Albion is also off the coast of the Old World and is similar in it's situation to Norsca, being neither a part of the Old World or entirely separate from it.

Old World will be the Empire, Bretonnia, Cathay, Araby, Ind, The Southlands etc, while the New World is Naggaroth and Lustria. Like in real life, the Old World is Africa, Asia, Europe etc and the New World is the Americas.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Old World will be the Empire, Bretonnia, Cathay, Araby, Ind, The Southlands etc, while the New World is Naggaroth and Lustria. Like in real life, the Old World is Africa, Asia, Europe etc and the New World is the Americas.

You'll be hard pressed to find any source in the warhammer lore that lists Cathay, Ind, and the Southlands as part of the Old World. Old World= Europe, Southlands = Africa. Separate continents.

I doubt Cathay, Ind, Nippon, Araby, but also placed like Tilea and Estalia will be around anymore...

 nels1031 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Old World will be the Empire, Bretonnia, Cathay, Araby, Ind, The Southlands etc, while the New World is Naggaroth and Lustria. Like in real life, the Old World is Africa, Asia, Europe etc and the New World is the Americas.

You'll be hard pressed to find any source in the warhammer lore that lists Cathay, Ind, and the Southlands as part of the Old World. Old World= Europe, Southlands = Africa. Separate continents.

Yeah, but considering the similarities geographically between the Warhammer world and ours, I'm assuming the old world/ new world divide is similar. The continents in our 'old world' are separate continents but they're still the 'old world'.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Old World will be the Empire, Bretonnia, Cathay, Araby, Ind, The Southlands etc, while the New World is Naggaroth and Lustria. Like in real life, the Old World is Africa, Asia, Europe etc and the New World is the Americas.

You'll be hard pressed to find any source in the warhammer lore that lists Cathay, Ind, and the Southlands as part of the Old World. Old World= Europe, Southlands = Africa. Separate continents.

Yeah, but considering the similarities geographically between the Warhammer world and ours, I'm assuming the old world/ new world divide is similar. The continents in our 'old world' are separate continents but they're still the 'old world'.

Then whats the Warhammer Worlds name for the region roughly similiar to Europe?

I get what you are saying, sure. But when the Old World is referred to in the Warhammer World, its talking about whats analogous to Europe and nothing else.

Has there been anything to say the Old World is just 'Europe'? It could just be because that's the only part of the Old World anything ever happens in.

But you're probably right, it's just that with the Warhammer world basically being a carbon copy of our world, I thought the old/new worlds would be analogous too.

Well all the "not-quite" country names kinda give it away.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Has there been anything to say the Old World is just 'Europe'? It could just be because that's the only part of the Old World anything ever happens in.

But you're probably right, it's just that with the Warhammer world basically being a carbon copy of our world, I thought the old/new worlds would be analogous too.

I found a map that should help.

Finally got my hard cover pre-order in. Did the previous pre-order books come with collectible pins?

Some did, some didn't. Nagash for example came with a small little "journal" that I've taken to calling the "How many models did I summon just now?" book

It seemed to be based on what you preordered.

I don't know if Khaine came with anything...since I didn't get to preorder it.

What, if anything, did Glottkin come with?

collectible pins? I didn't get anything with my hardcover book set except the dice tin that I paid for.

 Platuan4th wrote:
What, if anything, did Glottkin come with?

Three different pins, each one showing a different iteration of the Nurgle "triple buboes".

Amusingly enough, they were three different sized pins as well. Two large and one small.

Is there any mention of chaos dwarfs in the books so far? The Dark Lands look pretty untouched, right? Wondering what they're thinking regarding Forgeworld's model range.