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chris_valera wrote:Oh wow, these are excellent. I'll keep them in mind for sure, although I'd want to see pictures of full squads and such before I buy in.

Same here!

Can't commit until I see all of the finished product, but I'm really liking what I see so far.

I rather hope that, when stood next to a generic Tac squad mook, these guys look sufficiently small. Its my big beef with the GW guard line. Huge proportions that don't quite look right next to the supposedly gigantic by comparion Marines.

Also, damn good models. They look to have significantly better proportions than the IG cadians or catachan.

Slackermagee wrote:I rather hope that, when stood next to a generic Tac squad mook, these guys look sufficiently small. Its my big beef with the GW guard line. Huge proportions that don't quite look right next to the supposedly gigantic by comparion Marines.

Also, damn good models. They look to have significantly better proportions than the IG cadians or catachan.

No, that's a bad idea. The various race lines pretty much just go with their own lines (if they're lucky). Space Marines are largely the same size today as 20 years ago (terminators excepted). It's in the fluff, novels, etc where they've grown about 4 feet. Shrinking down the rest of the range(s) to fit in with SM models would be a bad idea. Sure, IG don't need to be oversized Rambo catachans, but even those (terrible) figures can fit into a context alongside the rest of the IG range - think of an army of huge Maori warriors compared to an army of weedy Brits.

Wasn't sold on these guys from the concepts. The models look alot better.

I'm always looking to add something different to my guard army a platoon of these might do the trick.

Those look fantastic. Look like the concept art. Look scifi not just fantasy with goggles. I would be excited if I was a human army collector.

Here is to hoping that some of this scifi focus will eventually be done on the green skin armies. Until then I am glad there are other mini companies like kromlech.

These are awesome. £1/model for the army deals is a very good price too (especially considering that includes veterans, rangers, heavy weapons and a metal general).

I'm so so happy I made a .gif:

The amount of special weapons they come with instantly makes them that much better

These look fantastic! Very well done, Mantic.

First two armies are almost-recasts of Fantasy miniatures. These are almost-recasts of resin Elysians. Now waiting for the almost-recasts of the Praetorians. Did Mantic ever have one original idea? At least one?

Kroothawk wrote:Did Mantic ever have one original idea? At least one?

Their......name?

Kroothawk wrote:First two armies are almost-recasts of Fantasy miniatures. These are almost-recasts of resin Elysians. Now waiting for the almost-recasts of the Praetorians. Did Mantic ever have one original idea? At least one?

Until the day that GW sues JR Tolkiens and wins, I dont think thats a fair statement at all :'D

Kroothawk wrote:First two armies are almost-recasts of Fantasy miniatures. These are almost-recasts of resin Elysians. Now waiting for the almost-recasts of the Praetorians. Did Mantic ever have one original idea? At least one?

How are these recasts of elysians? I agree the appearance is similar, but not close to identical.

I've had Elysians and these aren't all that similar. Regardless, business is rarely about being original but being the best marketed and organized

These models are a huge improvement in terms of price compared to FW and that is pretty important.

I have have had an Elysian army before I put it on ebay. These are different.

I think that the models are significantly different to Elysians and are simply a fairly common representation of what your generic sci-fi/future troopers would look like. Dang Mantic for their unwillingness to show us proper pics! I refuse to buy some until I can see the full squad in all it's glory!

There is only 1 similar thing about it, which is the rectangle thingy on the helmet w/e that thing is called.

Really something wrong with the eyes if the Corporation is a straight Elysian copy. I have an Elysian army and they look nothing like these Mantic models.

Right now I'm more curious about the Corporation vehicles.

Ah, I see, the upper grip of the weapon is shorter

I do have a huge Elysian army and the Elysians look still quite different. Elysians generally are lighter armored and weapons are all carry-aways.

Kroothawk wrote:First two armies are almost-recasts of Fantasy miniatures. These are almost-recasts of resin Elysians. Now waiting for the almost-recasts of the Praetorians. Did Mantic ever have one original idea? At least one?

I would say they are more of a copy of a generic future-soldier idea than an exact copy of what they have done with the Elysians. From both the artwork and the models we have seen so far as well, they look more heavily armoured and better equipped than the Elysian soldiers.

But at least every race that comes along has it's own concept of design, and I think that includes the KoW stuff as well. The elves, orcs (and maraurders) forgefathers, I think are all different concepts of the basic idea of things by GW. In fact, looking at some of the negative points people have made about them, if they wanted to simply steal sales from GW they could have made them look more like those models.

Helmet with visor? Check.
Chest armour with shoulder pads? Check.
Elbow armour? Check.
Knee armour? Only Elysians.
Not sure what you mean with lighter armour.

Kroothawk wrote:Not sure what you mean with lighter armour.

I assume he's referring to the gorget.

Kroothawk wrote:



Ah, I see, the upper grip of the weapon is shorter

Kroothawk wrote:Helmet with visor? Check.
Chest armour with shoulder pads? Check.
Elbow armour? Check.
Knee armour? Only Elysians.

With due respect, that's a very odd checklist, since there are differences, and the both of them look very similar to real tactical gear. If they look alike, it's because they both ape reality.
As demonstrated below, each of the elements you list is a component found in current armor solutions;



That said, there is at least one rather noticeable difference ...

Kroothawk wrote:Not sure what you mean with lighter armour.

Note that the Elysian is wearing a "breastplate" style of chest armor, that does not appear to cover his lower abdomen (strong enough for a man, cut for a woman, perhaps?), while the Corporation troopers wear armor that appears to consist of a breastplate and several segmented sections that extend over the lower abdomen.

Beyond that, one would note the corporation troopers appear to be wearing heavy "gauntlet" style hand guards, and have a higher neckline (which may be a gorget, as observed above, I can't tell if it's armor or the uniform cut).

Multiple people who personally own FW Elysian armies > Kroothawk's usual anti-Mantic rambling.

It's refreshing to see that, with this release, Kroothawk is having to drag up the old chestnut of "hurr mantic suck they copy GW" because he can't find any faults with the actual models.

I can't wait for Mantic to release painted models with a camo scheme just so I can listen to him yell and bawl about how GW invented camouflage and Mantic stole it from them.

And to think, Mantic is British, not Polish. I kid, I kid.

I do hope that these models will not be painted in khaki + green schemes.

The only thing I don't like about the Corporation design is the nailed on plates on the boots and chest armour, seems a bit out of place, but easily remedied with a little help from comrade knife and comrade sandpaper.

Buzzsaw wrote:With due respect, that's a very odd checklist, since there are differences, and the both of them look very similar to real tactical gear. If they look alike, it's because they both ape reality.
As demonstrated below, each of the elements you list is a component found in current armor solutions;

Actually, the chest armour of both is not mimicking anything, because they only protect the chest (or in the Mantic case, also the belly from the front only!). Modern body armour covers the full torso front and back for practical reasons (and no ellbow and kneecap armour), even if it looks less cool. The helmet with the big extermal visor also doesn't mimick anything in modern armies.

The neck piece looks the same on both esp when cast in resin, even if the Elysian seems to represent cloth.

scarletsquig wrote:Multiple people who personally own FW Elysian armies > Kroothawk's usual anti-Mantic rambling.

It's refreshing to see that, with this release, Kroothawk is having to drag up the old chestnut of "hurr mantic suck they copy GW" because he can't find any faults with the actual models.

I can't wait for Mantic to release painted models with a camo scheme just so I can listen to him yell and bawl about how GW invented camouflage and Mantic stole it from them.

Don't make yourself ridiculous calling me a blind GW fanboy. I don't post all the non-GW alternatives, because I want them to fail. I also want Mantic to become a serious alternative to GW products, but they should at least try and not throw the chance away for no reason at all.
Granted, these are the first genuine SciFi models Mantic produces, so I give them credit for that.
But these and also the Elysians look too much like unrealistic standard SciFi troopers from China and Russia for my taste, a bit disappointing given that the concept is by McVey. But the officer is okay.

BrookM wrote:And to think, Mantic is British, not Polish. I kid, I kid.

Wait ... Poland and England aren't the same place ...?

Kroothawk wrote: Actually, the chest armour of both is not mimicking anything, because they only protect the chest (or in the Mantic case, also the belly from the front only!). Modern body armour covers the full torso front and back for practical reasons (and no ellbow and kneecap armour), even if it looks less cool. The helmet with the big extermal visor also doesn't mimick anything in modern armies.

Personally, if I were a grunt, I would prefer the MANTIC armor over the Forgeworld design ... gut shots are not my favorite way to die.

Kazwulf wrote:Personally, if I were a grunt, I would prefer the MANTIC armor over the Forgeworld design ... gut shots are not my favorite way to die.

So kidney shots (or gut shots from the side or back) are okay?
I would prefer modern body armour.
(Guess we found an explanation why Elysians always lose in IA books )

Elysians mainly wear the elbow and knee armour for the hard landings they make when performing grav chute deployments, it's in the background.