Beasts of Chaos thread...

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**cygnnus**

skrulnik wrote:Am I the only one who has seen "Time Bandits"?

I see that cover and I see the Minotaur scene from that movie.
http://www.videodetective.com/photos/008/000037_46.jpg
The one with Sean Connery as Agamemnon.

The cover is horrible. All you get a glimpse of is Beastmen and a Minotaur.
There isn't enough there without the more colorful beasts to make it interesting.

Nope. I was thinking the exact same thing!

Vale,

JohnS

**Teh_K42**

Schepp himself wrote:As far as I know (maybe my knowledge is a bit blurry/"revised", coming from 4th edition after all) Beastmen are mutated bastardchildren of men that are thrown into the wilderness. In some parts these mutations seem to happen quite often, so you see quite a load of beastmen there.

Ah, yes. In fact I happen to recall that the hideous Sheepmen are frequently found in the region of Zew Nealand as a result of the unholy unions between man and sheep that occur there.

Sorry.

**Tim the Biovore**

Oh, that is so wrong!

**Frazzled**

any more rumors on the actual rules?

**reds8n**

I am quite surprised that the Ungors on the front cover don't have bows, you'd think they'd maybe make a bigger deal out of this for this book.

**Platuan4th**

reds8n wrote: I am quite surprised that the Ungors on the front cover don't have bows, you'd think they'd maybe make a bigger deal out of this for this book.

So, what you're implying is that this is essentially going to be a Skirmishing O&G book sans Fanatics, Squigs, and the warmachines?

**Alpharius**

...and apparently sans a lot of the nice chaotic monsters but with a lot of models that are, according to many, rather pants.

Awesome!

**Ozymandias**

reds8n wrote: I am quite surprised that the Ungors on the front cover don't have bows, you'd think they'd maybe make a bigger deal out of this for this book.

You're so catty.

**reds8n**

The very reliable Mr. Hastings posted the following over on The Herdstone site

Hi guys, thought I should stop by here as you are the premier site for Beasts and answer any questions you may have on the upcoming beasts, or at least try and post some subtle hints if I can't answer them directly.

I'll start off by saying that the Gor & Ungor plastic boxes are not bad, I think that came across quite badly on my post on Warseer, they are just too alike the existing kits to be of any real note.

Gors have some new poses, some new weapons (not options - just different weapons - i.e. maces) and shields.

Ungors are a little different to the existing models, they have some different heads (one or two I'm not too keen on - especially what I am assuming is the Ungor unit Champion head) they still come with options for spears, shields, hand weapons but now come with short bows.

As a bit of an exclusive (as well as to show I am really me and not someone using the same user name) for you guys, I'll be happy to tell you that there is a Shaman named special character called "Malagor the Dark Omen" and a Centigor special character called "Ghorros Warhoof", sadly neither model is great.

Ungors (new ones) come with 20mm bases, I'm really hoping that there is still an option to have a mixed herd if not looks like I'll be having to remove my current Ungors from their current bases, which frankly is a pain in the arse but not unheard of.

The new gors come with hand weapons, there is no option for halberds on the sprue so I'm guessing there won't be that option in the book either. Perhaps some conversions would be in order so you could still use the old ones.

There appear to be no "vanilla" characters in the first wave of releases, which is a bit dissapointing as I would have really liked a couple of new shaman minis. The centigor character Ghorros is quite plain, he is slightly rearing has a horn on his right side and is armed with a club with a couple of spikes through it, he also has hooves which I thought was unusual as the other centigor have clawed feet, however as his name contains "hoof" I guess it would have been odd if he had claws. A nice touch on the character is the head, he appears to be wearing the skull of a unicorn pushed down over his horns, and for me it's the only real high point of the model. I would recommend buying the Mordheim centigor and doing a headswap as a basis for a centigor character (if indeed the book has that as a hero choice).

I'm really looking forward to the book most of all, as we've all read the rumours about the loss of Chaos Trolls, Chaos Ogres, Dragon Ogres & Shaggoths, so they'll need to add some new units other than the Razorgor to flesh the list out.

and a snippet thanks to Mr. Lorizael from 40k online

That is one of the "new" Gors, as you can see pretty much (is ?) identical to the curent ones.

**Alpharius**

Meet the new Gor, same as the old Gor?

**jullevi**

Alpharius wrote:Meet the new Gor, same as the old Gor?

They were supposed to retain the same style. Since Herd boxes are splitting, they needed to sculpt 7 new Gor bodies and 8 new Ungors. While they are doing it, they might as well add other new bits into mix and tweak the old ones. On the beastman shown above, all bits are very similar to old ones but appear to be new ones. The body and weapon arms are definitely new bits and the banner is the old bit modified with new banner top added.

**Flashman**

"New" ideas are not GW's strong point, especially with regards to naming new troop types (Plague Furnace aside). Razor seems to be a popular prefix of theirs in recent years... Razordon, Razorgor. Is there a Razorthrope in the new Tyranids Codex?

That said, I did want them to expand on the Beastmen theme rather than just chucking in the same Chaos Monsters again, so I shouldn't complain too much.

EDIT - Bit odd that the Beastmen Regiment (with mixed Gors/Ungors) is still for sale on the website.

**Hawkins**

the one thing im really hoping for from the gors and ungor box is the same conpatibility we had with the old heads. you could prety much put them on anything. And i had a blast converting with them. Any idea of the frame make up? seperate heads etc?

**gorgon**

Well, different base sizes pretty much confirms the herds are getting split. It'll be kind of a pain switching bases for my assembled Ungor. But at least they aren't finished, painted models.

Mr. Hastings' "sketch" of the Razorgor is equal parts hilarious and facepalm. Hey, maybe that means all the good sculptors were hard at work on Tyranids!

**reds8n**

The Gor and Ungor heads are integral to their new sprues, the Gor models are 99% identical to the old/current ones, just moved around a bit. Heads are still 2 parts with the horns separate for the Gors.

@ Mr. Gorgon...indeed, we can but hope.

..Trygon looks lovely

**His Master's Voice**

Alpharius wrote:Meet the new Gor, same as the old Gor?

I'm glad they aren't touching the Gors, the quality could only go down.

**BrassScorpion**

gorgon wrote:Well, different base sizes pretty much confirms the herds are getting split. It'll be kind of a pain switching bases for my assembled Ungor. But at least they aren't finished, painted models.

Huzzah! I've found a reason why it's a good thing I haven't found time to assemble and paint the Beasts of Chaos box army I bought when it was first released years ago. Occasionally, having a large modeling backlog and taking years to get to certain models pays off. If I can get to them in 2010 I can base the army and build it based on the newer Army Book.

**Platuan4th**

Different base sizes just further makes me think Beastmen are going to be somat like Chaos worshipping Orcs this time around.

Sans the fun, crazzy stuff that makes O&G fun.

**gorgon**

@reds8n: I already have a FW Trygon, so I'm more psyched about the other stuff. Hopefully the Hive Guard don't end up looking like Lion King characters too.

@BrassScorpion: My Beasts "army" is small and only partially assembled. It's been a long-term, build-it-on-the-cheap project. Fortunately what I have is all "beastman" stuff and not "monster" stuff, which seems to be going extinct in the new army book. So some base swaps aren't a big deal, and nothing I should really complain about.

@Platuan4th: You're not the only one saying that. I'm kinda hoping Ambush becomes more of a differentiator...

**Ozymandias**

Platuan4th wrote:Different base sizes just further makes me think Beastmen are going to be somat like Chaos worshipping Orcs this time around.

Sans the fun, crazzy stuff that makes O&G fun.

Nah, they won't have any warmachines.

**JohnHwangDD**

reds8n wrote: ..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..

So you're presaging a 4th WFB "Chaos Family" book for "Monsters of Chaos"?

IIRC:

G1. Chaos
- Beasts
- Mortals

G2. Mortals
- Daemons
- Warriors

G3. Beasts
- Beastmen
- Monsters

So the ultimate lineup is:
- Daemons of Chaos
- Warriors of Chaos
- Beastmen (of Chaos)
- Monster (of Chaos)

Yes?

**Flashman**

Lol, this is GW, don't discount the possibility...

**JohnHwangDD**

Alpharius wrote:The old models might fetch quite a bit though, if the rule set is any good.

*cough* Juan Diaz' Daemonettes of Slannesh *cough*

**Alpharius**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
So the ultimate lineup is:
- Daemons of Chaos
- Warriors of Chaos
- Beastmen (of Chaos)
- Monster (of Chaos)

Yes?

Mortals of Chaos is already pretty much Monsters of Chaos, isn't it?

(And really, Razorgor?)

**BossGlefang**

I really hope Centigors become plastic. That would make my day complete.

**bigchris1313**

I find myself checking this thread a few times per day, and since about page 2, I've yet to find much of anything useful...

**reds8n**

BossGlefang wrote:I really hope Centigors become plastic. That would make my day complete.

It's not happening with this release, at least not initially anyway.Long term..who knows, but it's the same metal models as currently for the moment.

**Flashman**

bigchris1313 wrote:I find myself checking this thread a few times per day, and since about page 2, I've yet to find much of anything useful...

These kind of threads always descend into wishlists/GW bashing after page 2

**H.B.M.C.**

Alpharius wrote:(And really, Razorgor?)

I see your Razorgor and raise you a Toxathrope!!!

bigchris1313 wrote:I find myself checking this thread a few times per day, and since about page 2, I've yet to find much of anything useful...

Personally I blame Jervis.

**Frazzled**

Redy check your PM