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 MajorStoffer wrote:
To be fair, the current book is awful, a monument to GW's writing incompetence.

Honestly, it's a perfect representation why a company with such mediocre writing talent should move to a "living ruleset" with some sort of feedback mechanism so things could be adjusted and updated on the fly. of course, that is predicated on them not being evil.

They'd much rather sell you a still broken, but different broken codex as often as possible!

Your tears are delicious! I love hearing people cry about Wave Serpents. Get over it. I am sure they will be brought in line with the new book. Now Chaos on the other hand.... They need some serious love. That, along with Dark Angels, are the worst books GW has put out for 6th/7th.

I would not mind it if they nerfed the shield and lowered the point cost. 4th edition serpents really drained your budget (well, they still drain your budget, but its worth it )
Adding 130 points/unit to get the only dedicated transport is no fun.

I see two possible reasons for the new release so soon:
Either they want to bring the psychic user up to date with the 7th edition rules (fix warlocks and psychic flyers) and dont change alot of other stuf.

Or, they have some big change planed and decide to update some codex to prevent a big clash.

Simple fix for Wave Serpent shield that does not necessitate a huge overall change?

Remove the "Ignores Cover" part of it.
I mean, how does an ordnance barrage from the Master of Ordnance not ignore cover, but a random shield firing from a Wave Serpent does?

Nocturnus wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
To be fair, the current book is awful, a monument to GW's writing incompetence.

Honestly, it's a perfect representation why a company with such mediocre writing talent should move to a "living ruleset" with some sort of feedback mechanism so things could be adjusted and updated on the fly. of course, that is predicated on them not being evil.

They'd much rather sell you a still broken, but different broken codex as often as possible!

Your tears are delicious! I love hearing people cry about Wave Serpents.

translation - I love playing with Cheese Serpents and winning without skill.............

 Mr Morden wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
To be fair, the current book is awful, a monument to GW's writing incompetence.

Honestly, it's a perfect representation why a company with such mediocre writing talent should move to a "living ruleset" with some sort of feedback mechanism so things could be adjusted and updated on the fly. of course, that is predicated on them not being evil.

They'd much rather sell you a still broken, but different broken codex as often as possible!

Your tears are delicious! I love hearing people cry about Wave Serpents.

translation - I love playing with Cheese Serpents and winning without skill.............

translation - people need to man up and deal with it.

Honestly as someone who has to deal with some of the stuff Eldar have available from forge world, I actually am happy when I see Waveserpents on the field, as compared to what else they could have brought.

Nocturnus wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
To be fair, the current book is awful, a monument to GW's writing incompetence.

Honestly, it's a perfect representation why a company with such mediocre writing talent should move to a "living ruleset" with some sort of feedback mechanism so things could be adjusted and updated on the fly. of course, that is predicated on them not being evil.

They'd much rather sell you a still broken, but different broken codex as often as possible!

Your tears are delicious! I love hearing people cry about Wave Serpents. Get over it. I am sure they will be brought in line with the new book. Now Chaos on the other hand.... They need some serious love. That, along with Dark Angels, are the worst books GW has put out for 6th/7th.

Did I mentioned Wave Serpents? No.

The book as a whole is poorly designed, with units like Wraithknights, Serpents and Bikes being extremely powerful well in excess of their points cost, while also having Wraithblades, Howling Banshees and Falcons which no one uses. The book being more powerful than its peers is only one part of the problem, gakky internal design is still very important. CSM and DA are also awful, but the fact is weak books hurt the game as a whole less than dominating ones; a weak book sucks for the person playing them, an overpowered book sucks for everyone playing against them.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
To be fair, the current book is awful, a monument to GW's writing incompetence.

Honestly, it's a perfect representation why a company with such mediocre writing talent should move to a "living ruleset" with some sort of feedback mechanism so things could be adjusted and updated on the fly. of course, that is predicated on them not being evil.

They'd much rather sell you a still broken, but different broken codex as often as possible!

Your tears are delicious! I love hearing people cry about Wave Serpents.

translation - I love playing with Cheese Serpents and winning without skill.............

translation - people need to man up and deal with it.

Total and complete rubbish - the old LTP argument - usually from WAAC players using the cheesiest combinations and then having the gall to claim some degree of skill.............. perhaps they should LTP rather than use broken rules as a crutch for their own inadequacies.

Sorry to derail this but what's LTP mean?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sorry to derail this but what's LTP mean?

LearnToPlay

 Byte wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
To be fair, Serpents have played a role in every list, and just because they (hopefully) won't be as good doesn't necessarily mean they end up on the junk heap.

It's just that damned shield blast that needs to go.

Or range reduced. Probably get a points increase as well. As Night Scythe and Anni-barge...

Right, let's overcost the only organic transport of the Eldar by 50 points because Necrons... and while we are at it why not move it to HS is not like that slot is overcrowded. Oh I forgot nowadays is all about forging the narrative so I guess we can have the Eldar riding 35pts Rhinos to balance it.

I agree that the shield needs to be changed tho.

M.

Seems I hit a nerve. I didn't increase the points on Necron stuff, GW did.

It didn't hit a nerve. It's that I hate when the only solution to an "overpowered" unit seems to be nerf it beyond recognition without taking into account how such unit works withiin the army. And before the crazy good shield of doom, Wave Serpents were overcosted by 20 or so points being the only dedicated transport of the Eldar Codex able to carry more than 6 figures.

M.

Currently they are the only Dedicated Transport, period. *And* the only CW Eldar transport with more than 6 capacity. Two quite separate constraints!

In an army where most of our units are t3, frequently with 4+ or worse. And many of our units can't be taken small enough to fit inside a 6-cap vehicle.

Combined with mostly short-range infantry weapons (mostly 12").

And a lack of ways to give deployment shenanigans to most of our infantry.

Hoping the Eldar campaign books have something for Dark Eldar. It's pretty much the only way they would even be a part of one.

I hope the End Times doesn't invent some scisim between the Eldar peoples. I love the current sibling hate relationship.

Plastic Jetbikes make me hopeful that Shining Spears aren't getting the axe!

Perhaps the other plastic Aspect (and PL) are part of the campaign, and will come out then, around the end of the year?

There is no summer campaign. Not Sisters vs. Tzeentch. Not CSM vs. Dark Angels. Not Eldar. Those rumors are all nonsense.

Eldar get new Codex, similar to Necrons. Wraithknights gain some weight.

Imagine if they cut redundant aspects. I mean we all know finecast is vanishing, and there is no way every aspect gets a kit, dual or not. I can see a spider/scorpian, fdradon/reaper or hawk/banshee, but then you still need bikes/spears and warlocks/jetlocks as well as rangers.... I hate to say it, but I expect a few units to get culled entirely and maybe tossed to FW.

I would take FW over Finecast.

I'm curious to see how they handle Farseer/Warlocks on Jetbikes, since GW has never made a model for them.

On the bright side, GW cut some stuff from the nid codex and then gave it back when models were available. With PDF rules for free on the website. So even if no-plastic=axe, there is hope things will return.

But we can always doom-say later.

I don't really care if points are adjusted, powerful units brought back into line etc, as long as they don't start simply chopping units. I have an Iyanden force that I really haven't used that much. Since the WG/WL/WK are all plastic I don't see that being the case. I do have a single waveserpent, but haven't fielded it yet. Currently adding some harlequins to the force to give me some speed.
I have a feeling that is this book is real, the scatter laser will get a change as it is an auto-take in may lists. A simple solution would be to allow it to fire a burst as normal or a single shot that allows other weapons to be twin-linked if it hits.

Even if you just go by how this thread has played out, the Wave Serpent is a real no-win situation for GW and Eldar as a faction. It doesn't matter if they buff it, nerf it, or do absolutely nothing, there will be tears and anger from either side of the fence. Frankly I'm sick of the whole situation: even if they replaced it wholesale, it would still be compared to the wave serpent in retrospect and the hate train would keep on rolling.

Forget GW: it's players' poisonous attitudes that are "ruining" the game here.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
To be fair, the current book is awful, a monument to GW's writing incompetence.

Honestly, it's a perfect representation why a company with such mediocre writing talent should move to a "living ruleset" with some sort of feedback mechanism so things could be adjusted and updated on the fly. of course, that is predicated on them not being evil.

They'd much rather sell you a still broken, but different broken codex as often as possible!

Your tears are delicious! I love hearing people cry about Wave Serpents.

translation - I love playing with Cheese Serpents and winning without skill.............

translation - people need to man up and deal with it.

Exactly!!

Sad Panda wrote:
There is no summer campaign. Not Sisters vs. Tzeentch. Not CSM vs. Dark Angels. Not Eldar. Those rumors are all nonsense.

Eldar get new Codex, similar to Necrons. Wraithknights gain some weight.

Quoting before it gets burried. Thank you for the hints, Sad Panda

Nocturnus wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
To be fair, the current book is awful, a monument to GW's writing incompetence.

Honestly, it's a perfect representation why a company with such mediocre writing talent should move to a "living ruleset" with some sort of feedback mechanism so things could be adjusted and updated on the fly. of course, that is predicated on them not being evil.

They'd much rather sell you a still broken, but different broken codex as often as possible!

Your tears are delicious! I love hearing people cry about Wave Serpents.

translation - I love playing with Cheese Serpents and winning without skill.............

translation - people need to man up and deal with it.

Exactly!!

I refer you to my earlier statement - do you actually play against Wave Serpents or just choose whatever cheese is flavour of the month in order to win?

I saw it mentioned in another thread, but don’t think it’s been said here:

Jetbikes are gone from the GW site. Not that this is necessarily indicative of anything, but it’s something. It also looks like the bike autarch, spears, and cannon upgrade packs are MIA.

/cautiously optimistic.

 Nevelon wrote:
On the bright side, GW cut some stuff from the nid codex and then gave it back when models were available. With PDF rules for free on the website. So even if no-plastic=axe, there is hope things will return.

But we can always doom-say later.

In the Eldar sphere of things Dark Eldar Kept some finecast at the same time as loosing characters without models and switching Wracks to Plastic.

The Court of the Archon, Incubi and Mandrakes are still Finecast.

No Plastic =/= Axe or does not automatically mean an Axe from the next codex for all ranges.

Given DE has such a small poorly selling range, it's somewhat more understandable. Eldar's finecast adventure has also left some sub-par sculpts and poor production faults that from what I hear are mostly avoided by players. On from that the WAAC players don't really go for the finecast either, so it's not a loss there either.


Bikes are the way the rumour winds, and fanboy love is blowing. But this doesn't mean a kit is coming until it's a more solid rumour, and then there's the WD pics.


Right now Ad Mech launch has barely given it's full details or hinted at more than Skitarii yet. And the first units drop this week. (?)

Hell yesterday I strolled through the only GW store in Ireland, during the Easter Break paint-a-thon for kiddies, and there was little Khorne Deamonkin around, or new Carry Case's. The Mad swinging Fantasy Khorne guys were still only just based in red and not even given much love.

The hobby doesn't move as fast for everyone online, some people still have mountainous back logs of work to do. Let alone dream of fixing an over powered army in one fell swoop that is a panacea for all perceived game mechanic ills in 40k.

DefiantLambdas wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
On the bright side, GW cut some stuff from the nid codex and then gave it back when models were available. With PDF rules for free on the website. So even if no-plastic=axe, there is hope things will return.

But we can always doom-say later.

In the Eldar sphere of things Dark Eldar Kept some finecast at the same time as loosing characters without models and switching Wracks to Plastic.

The Court of the Archon, Incubi and Mandrakes are still Finecast.

Necron Codex this year still had finecast Flayers. Daemonkin has finecast Flesh Hounds. Etc..

GW might not make any new finecast, but it'll be many years before the last finecast miniatures are cycled out of their catalog.

Warhams-77 wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:
There is no summer campaign. Not Sisters vs. Tzeentch. Not CSM vs. Dark Angels. Not Eldar. Those rumors are all nonsense.

Eldar get new Codex, similar to Necrons. Wraithknights gain some weight.

Quoting before it gets burried. Thank you for the hints, Sad Panda

Second!

That little comment got me exited like a kid near christmas...

Some new rumors: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/04/eldar-re-directs-reveal-lot-coming.html

I guess we should wait until they are still true tomorrow (it being April 1st and all..) but apparently there are many new re-directs on the GW website that spill the beans for Eldar (coming soon!)

via Atia on Bolter and Chainsword and in the Comment section here on Faeit 212
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Craftworlds-ENG
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Eldar-Avatar
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Eldar-Autarch
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Eldar-Shining-Spears
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Eldar-Windriders

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Datacards-Craftworlds-ENG
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Craftworlds-eBook
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Biel-Tan-Paint-Web-Bundle
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ulthwe-Paint-Web-Bundle
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Iyanden-Paint-Web-Bundle
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Saim-Hann-Paint-Web-Bundle
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Alaitoc-Paint-Web-Bundle
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Windrider-Host-Web-Bundle


that makes:
- Codex Eldar: Craftworlds
- Codex Eldar: Craftworlds eBook
- PLASTIC AVATAR
- plastic Autarch clampack
- Windriders Jetbikes / Shining Spears combo-box
- Datacards: Craftworlds
- web paint bundles for:
Biel-Tan, Ultwe, Saim-Hann, Iyanden and Alaitoc
- Windrider host web bundle

I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove?

I mean...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-squats-ENG

Provides the same result.

Well their codex and the supplement + jetbikes and shining spears are no longer available through browsing the website.

So maybe...