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Deadawake1347 wrote:
Not to try and sound over dramatic, but it's not "just a game." I'm not sure you could say 40K has ever been "just a game", which is something I would attribute more to something like checkers.

The whole point of the fluff is to make it more than just a game, it's a constructed universe housing the collective works of thousands of people. Every piece of fluff adds to that, either positively or negatively. In this case, negatively, as it makes no sense whatsoever for this to be a weapon of war if it's so incredibly unstable that having it stand still for a few seconds will result in it never moving again.


Edit: Now I'm just imagining it running in place if it needs to stand still for transport or to take cover, like a little kid doing the "I need to go potty" dance.

At the end of the day it is just a game though. As much as I like the fluff I recognize it being like cartoons from the 80s: it exists to sell toys. Besides, the point is that it's all fiction and nerd raging about fiction is something I that basically just waste my time. I'd rather accept it being a thing and move on and focus on the things I like instead. It's a lot less frustrating to me.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So...the striders have to keep moving otherwise they can't move again...so how do they construct or transport them?
That doesn't seem right, even by wh40k standards.

Apparently they don't construct them anymore.

Well that would solve one dilemma, but how are they transported? What if they get stuck in mud, or super glue?
Seems like one hell of a design flaw.

From what I read it's not a design flaw but a problem that arose from losing the design. They don't know how to start them or build new ones anymore.

Wait, so first the price and the rules make no sense, and now the fluff and rules make no sense? The Mechanicus venerate technology; if presented by ancient tech they can no longer construct or even start up again if it stops, what possible reason would they have for actually using them in war where they could be blown up(because they're barely better than mass-produced Sentinels) and lost forever, or trip over a bloody boulder, stop walking, and become a big useless pile of scrap?

This is the problem with modern GW, they just don't have any clue when to stop, and absolutely zero self-awareness. That kind of fluff should be a background paragraph about a machine there's no model or profile for, which is strictly limited to marching around on ceremonial duty outside some Martian forge, used as a jokey emphasis of the Mechanicus' always weird, occasionally batgak-insane attitude to technology - not as the actual background for a bloody war machine we're expected to believe is being deployed all over the place and is actually effective. Ugh.

The AdMech venerate technology, not efficiency. They are religiously obsessed with preserving all aspects of Martian tech, not in searching for improvement. They view technology as indivisible from god. They don't discard technology because it is obsolete, that is literal blasphemy. Not least because that technology is then lost for all time. They use these archaic warmachines because god fething wills it and because frankly, they don't know how to make anything better.

"The Mechanicus never deletes anything." I think that sums up the Mechanicus' approach to things.

Where does it say they cant stop walking?

 Swastakowey wrote:
Where does it say they cant stop walking?

It says they can't stop moving. I guess they could wobble back and forth in place to keep everything running.

I see, but where though, I want to see it with my own eyes.

I assume they mean they constantly need to run (as in be on) but I dont know about GW fluff these days, my bar is set really low for them as it is.

OK dumb question, are these in shops tomorrow, or do they go up for preorder tomorrow?

Am i the only one that thinks these strider things look like the slaaneshi knights from epic?

 Torga_DW wrote:
Am i the only one that thinks these strider things look like the slaaneshi knights from epic?

Given that it was discussed, with rather large pictures that were quoted multiple times, earlier in the thread, no, you're probably not the only one.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
OK dumb question, are these in shops tomorrow, or do they go up for preorder tomorrow?

They go on pre-order, what comes in shops from what I remember is the Khorne Daemonkin stuff.

Swastakowey wrote:I see, but where though, I want to see it with my own eyes.

I assume they mean they constantly need to run (as in be on) but I dont know about GW fluff these days, my bar is set really low for them as it is.

It was a line relayed to by a poster on Warseer to us from the WD:

The walkers have to keep moving at all times or they will never move again as the Mechanicum don't understand the construction properly.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:OK dumb question, are these in shops tomorrow, or do they go up for preorder tomorrow?

Pre-order. This week is Daemonkin's release.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
OK dumb question, are these in shops tomorrow, or do they go up for preorder tomorrow?

They go on pre-order, what comes in shops from what I remember is the Khorne Daemonkin stuff.

darn. So it's not in shops till a week from Friday?


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Stoopid demons.

You already have a codex.

Get out of the way!

 insaniak wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:
Am i the only one that thinks these strider things look like the slaaneshi knights from epic?

Given that it was discussed, with rather large pictures that were quoted multiple times, earlier in the thread, no, you're probably not the only one.

Sorry.

The price of those Walkers sucks the joy out me, really?
Yeah they are tall but how much material is used

Here machinen krieger 1:20 scale 6100yen (plus another figure included)

To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

I'd take that a lot more seriously if he wasn't peddling the Horus heresy plastics stuff

BrianDavion wrote:

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

I'd take that a lot more seriously if he wasn't peddling the Horus heresy plastics stuff

Yeah. I mean, I'm just the messenger, but I don't like how this guy says 'confirmed' as if it's a sure thing. It's not confirmed until we get WD pics.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
OK dumb question, are these in shops tomorrow, or do they go up for preorder tomorrow?

They go on pre-order, what comes in shops from what I remember is the Khorne Daemonkin stuff.

darn. So it's not in shops till a week from Friday?

Not sure.....my flgs has just posted their new arrivals. They usually put em straight on the shelves

BrianDavion wrote:

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

I'd take that a lot more seriously if he wasn't peddling the Horus heresy plastics stuff

Why are you so sure that's not happening..?

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

..
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

Only ten copies!?!?

also from lordbeefy over on Warseer:

"Heard from my local blue shirt...

Skitarii book is on a par with the militarum tempestus book
Next book is the full adeptus mechanicus codexx
Third book is painting guide

There are two hq models, two heavies one a walker one is a more traditional vehicle design (?)..... the main codex will have significant decurion like formations with some really powerful special rules.

As rumours go its fairly bland or non specific but thought I would pass it on anywY"

 prowla wrote:

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

..
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

Only ten copies!?!?

Good one I wonder how many people caught that.

drbored wrote:
Skitarii book is on a par with the militarum tempestus book

I've been told it isn't.


Can't say any more than that though...

BrianDavion wrote:

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

I'd take that a lot more seriously if he wasn't peddling the Horus heresy plastics stuff

I would have taken that with major salt if the owner of the FLGS I visit didn't mention the exact same thing this very week. But he did. Coincidence, I bet, but nonetheless, gives me some faith

GW is surpising a lot this year, so yeah, who knows!

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

How do shops (GW and FLGS) get informed about releases? Is the source of these 'confirmed' rumors some kind of a newsletter/advertisment email?

We had heard from shops for a long time (since 2011 or even 2009 (SH 3rd Ed)) Games Workhop doesn't inform anyone including their own shops about future products except when product can already be ordered. So that has changed recently? Or are these rumored events happening in the next two weeks?

 ImAGeek wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

I'd take that a lot more seriously if he wasn't peddling the Horus heresy plastics stuff

Why are you so sure that's not happening..?

mostly cause I tend to lump it in with "forge world in GW stores and plastic thunderhawks" oft repeated wish listing that we never actually see. I'll be pleasently suprised if it happens, but I'm not holding my breath

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
Skitarii book is on a par with the militarum tempestus book

I've been told it isn't.


Can't say any more than that though...

Can you please (if you can) tell us if we will get a hq ?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Swastakowey wrote:I see, but where though, I want to see it with my own eyes.

I assume they mean they constantly need to run (as in be on) but I dont know about GW fluff these days, my bar is set really low for them as it is.

It was a line relayed to by a poster on Warseer to us from the WD:

The walkers have to keep moving at all times or they will never move again as the Mechanicum don't understand the construction properly.

I wouldn't trust Warseer as far as I can throw 'em.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
Not to try and sound over dramatic, but it's not "just a game." I'm not sure you could say 40K has ever been "just a game", which is something I would attribute more to something like checkers.

The whole point of the fluff is to make it more than just a game, it's a constructed universe housing the collective works of thousands of people. Every piece of fluff adds to that, either positively or negatively. In this case, negatively, as it makes no sense whatsoever for this to be a weapon of war if it's so incredibly unstable that having it stand still for a few seconds will result in it never moving again.


Edit: Now I'm just imagining it running in place if it needs to stand still for transport or to take cover, like a little kid doing the "I need to go potty" dance.

At the end of the day it is just a game though. As much as I like the fluff I recognize it being like cartoons from the 80s: it exists to sell toys. Besides, the point is that it's all fiction and nerd raging about fiction is something I that basically just waste my time. I'd rather accept it being a thing and move on and focus on the things I like instead. It's a lot less frustrating to me.

It's just a game to you. If that's all you get out of it, and all you want to get out of it, knock yourself out. For some of us, the only reason we give even the slightest gak about the game is the fiction, so seeing the fiction diminished also diminishes our enjoyment, and we're perfectly entitled to take that view and express it. If reading our "nerd raging" frustrates you, perhaps you can muster up some of that Zen attitude and leave folk to make their comments without trying to imply their view is invalid or petty.

 Las wrote:
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The AdMech venerate technology, not efficiency. They are religiously obsessed with preserving all aspects of Martian tech, not in searching for improvement. They view technology as indivisible from god. They don't discard technology because it is obsolete, that is literal blasphemy. Not least because that technology is then lost for all time. They use these archaic warmachines because god fething wills it and because frankly, they don't know how to make anything better.

Nonsense. You contradict your own point right there in the second sentence; they are religiously obsessed with preserving technology, its discovery and continued existence is their primary goal, and while they would doubtless have great respect for what they interpret the intended purpose of a machine spirit to be, it runs completely contrary to their core aims to use a piece of technology in a situation which would inevitably lead to it being lost forever. Perpetually marching these things around outside a forge as a showy piece of ceremony isn't using them to their full potential, but it does ensure they will continue to exist, it isn't "discarding" them; taking them into war continually when they can't be repaired or even switched on again if they trip over a sodding rock is mad - not from our perspective, but from theirs.

Every bit of fiction I can recall about these kinds of irreplaceable technologies in 40K points to them only ever being used in the most dire of circumstances when literally every other option had been exhausted and the alternative was total defeat - deploying them as a frontline combat unit in the Mechanicus' army, in a role that requires them to run right up to the enemy and bash them over the noggin, is moronic. If they were merely rare or difficult to build/fix, fine, sure, the Imperium does that all the time with Terminator suits etc, but the fact they're impossible to fix and can't even be restarted if they stall out or fall over, that might just be the silliest bit of fluff GW have written in recent years, and that is a high bar to clear.

Let's accept that an undead psychic super-skeleton rules the universe via legions of genetically manipulated, surgically-altered walking tank people with a Greco-Roman fashion fixation, but let's hotly debate whether unguents and oils are a suitable eyelid replacement.

GO TEAM!