6th Starter Set unit entry disclosed.

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**Motograter**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Mad4Minis wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:Contents look pretty cool, but looks like Chaos gets shafted on points if that's the case.

I was thinking something along those lines...looks like Chaos is way outgunned there...unless Cultists are far better than it would seem.

Looking at it, what do the Space Marines have to take out that Dreadnought?

Seems like they're relying on the powerfists in the Terminator unit and one Plasma Cannon unless the Librarian will have some vehicle stomping psychic power.

The chainfist on the terminators

**JohnnoM**

No rumours on the models yet?

**Kroothawk**

take with salt, posted by Rick_1138 over at Warseer:

Hi folks,

Wasn't sure if this is the place for this topic but as its discussing forthcoming release i felt it was appropriate in the rumour section.

Basically my mates and I are travelling to Warhammer world for Throne of Skulls in October, all the way from the Deen!

We were discussing army choices as we need to start designing for 6th ed.

My mate suggested a death company army, and while horrifying, it cant take objectives and gives almost no VP's.

However having a read of my DA dex, i am very taken with the belial DW army.

However my source in the GW world informed me that the new DA dex may be out by October and as a result my list i have could be totally wrong in terms of models i can take/points make up.

I wasnt sure if a tournament would use a new dex as it used to be that there was a 2 month Grace period so people designing and painting\playtesting their armies dont have the rug pulled out due to a new rule book coming out just before the tournament.

If they are doing that, it means the DA dex will be getting released about august.

I doubt GW will nerf their new poster army, but i am hesitant to start buying the necessary models. Though I am toying with the idea of using Space hulk terminators as a start do convert into DW...hmmm

But yeah, does anyone have firmer details on DA dex release, or if the tournaments still give a 2 month grace before new rules are included?

Cheers

**aka_mythos**

Well now... both DA and CSM hasve been rumored for August. It can't be both.

**Backfire**

aka_mythos wrote:Well now... both DA and CSM hasve been rumored for August. It can't be both.

Maybe it IS both! First time for everything!

**H.B.M.C.**

Well Dark Angels and Blood Angels arrived in the same Codex back in 2nd Ed. It was called "Codex: Angels of Death". So maybe Chaos Space Marines and Dark Angels will be in the same Codex, and this one will be called "Codex: Apology".

**Ledabot**

Very funny. I personally hope that we get chaos first, at least that way my friend will have new toys to play with.

**NoBaconz4You**

As it stands at the moment, which codex is the oldest/most out dated?

**d-usa**

NoBaconz4You wrote:As it stands at the moment, which codex is the oldest/most out dated?

Assuming that this ever mattered

**H.B.M.C.**

But to answer the question... either Tau or Black Templars.

**NoBaconz4You**

H.B.M.C. wrote:But to answer the question... either Tau or Black Templars.

I meant out of the Dark Angles and Chaos Space Marine codecies.

**IdentifyZero**

NoBaconz4You wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:But to answer the question... either Tau or Black Templars.

I meant out of the Dark Angles and Chaos Space Marine codecies.

Dark Angels

Automatically Appended Next Post:

H.B.M.C. wrote:But to answer the question... either Tau or Black Templars.

I hope Templars are soon to

**insaniak**

Dark Angels are older, but Chaos arguably needs it more. Particularly if they have new units in the starter set.

**Backfire**

Both books are pretty bland, but Chaos worse so. I assume Chaos comes first, if the starter really has new models. DA isn't too bad balance-wise, it's just pretty boring. I doubt we're going to get new DA codex anytime soon.

**kitch102**

Must say, I'm very disappointed that we have a power armour vs power armour starter set, I guess we can expect the beginners table games to take twice as long now that people have identicle saves (excusing cultists).

On the subject of cultists though, could be that they're a low price devastator equivalent maybe? Or something with a love of plasma weaponry and grenade launchers ala Dawn of War. That'd give them more of a purpose imo, and make them a bigger threat for the SM player

**Chaos Emperor**

i guess they could a large group of cultists, making up for the fact they will be against marines.
what i would love to see is the chaos to be fallen angels led by cypher. if it is just a lord though, a deamon weapon or something to even out the gap would be brilliant.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
just found this online at blogspot.co.uk:
Via TheDude and translated spaint2k
Dark Angels
Captain Balthasar: w/ Power Armour, Power Sword, Combi-Plasma, Frag & Krak grenades

Librarian Termiel (SP?): w/ Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Force Weapon, Frag & Krak grenades

Deathwing Squad Balachar (SP?): Sergeant w/ Storm Bolter & Power Sword, 1 w/ Assault Cannon & Power Fist, 1 w/ Storm Bolter & Chainfist and 2 w/ Storm Bolter & Power Fist

Tactical Squad Raphael: Sergeant w/ Plasma Pistol & Chainsword and 9 Marines, 1 w/ Plasma Cannon, 1 w/ Plasma Gun, 7 w/ Bolters. All with Bolt Pistol and Frag & Krak grenades

Ravenwing Squad Allian (SP?): Sergeant w/ Chainsword, 1 w/ Plasma Gun and 1 w/ Bolt Pistol. All with twin-linked bolters and Frag & Krak grenades

Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Lord: Power Armour, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

Dreadnought (Seems to be named as "Hellbeast"): Multi Melta and Power Fist

Chosen: Sergeant w/ Power Maul, Bolt Pistol & Bolter. One with a lightning claw, one with Power Axe, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, one with Power Fist, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, two with Close Combat Weapons, Bolters & Bolt Pistols. All have Power Armour, Frag & Krak grenades

Cultist squad 1: Cultist leader w/ two Close Combat Weapons and 9 Cultists, one w/ Flamer, 8 w/ Close Combat Weapons & Autopistols

Cultist squad 2: Cultist leader w/ Close Combat Weapon & (possibly) Shotgun and 9 Cultist, 1 w/ (possibly) Heavy Stubber and 8 w/ Autoguns

The leaked Chinese summary sheets from the starter set show Cultists as having Guard stats, but with a 6+Sv
It also shows them with access to Autoguns or Autopistol and CCW as well as options for Flamers and Heavy Stubbers.
Their Squad leaders can also take Shotguns or two CCW for some reason.
apparently the 'leak' was in chinese, so...
wheather this is genuine or a hopeful fake i dont know, so dont blame me. hope this helps

**gilljoy**

Kroothawk wrote:take with salt, posted by Rick_1138 over at Warseer:

Hi folks,

Wasn't sure if this is the place for this topic but as its discussing forthcoming release i felt it was appropriate in the rumour section.

Basically my mates and I are travelling to Warhammer world for Throne of Skulls in October, all the way from the Deen!

We were discussing army choices as we need to start designing for 6th ed.

My mate suggested a death company army, and while horrifying, it cant take objectives and gives almost no VP's.

However having a read of my DA dex, i am very taken with the belial DW army.

However my source in the GW world informed me that the new DA dex may be out by October and as a result my list i have could be totally wrong in terms of models i can take/points make up.

I wasnt sure if a tournament would use a new dex as it used to be that there was a 2 month Grace period so people designing and painting\playtesting their armies dont have the rug pulled out due to a new rule book coming out just before the tournament.

If they are doing that, it means the DA dex will be getting released about august.

I doubt GW will nerf their new poster army, but i am hesitant to start buying the necessary models. Though I am toying with the idea of using Space hulk terminators as a start do convert into DW...hmmm

But yeah, does anyone have firmer details on DA dex release, or if the tournaments still give a 2 month grace before new rules are included?

Cheers

Could be possible for them to release the dark angels book along side the chaos one. With dark angels only getting one or two new plastics and finecast with chaos getting the majority of the love?

Similar to how it tells you in the space wolves squad box to use the spare parts to make long fangs, scouts and bikers could we see something similar for the dark angels perhaps?

**Sidstyler**

I'd bet money on Dark Angels coming out first. The last 40k codex was Necrons and CSM don't count as a "real" power armor army since they aren't loyalists, and they won't put out two xenos in a row, so...

**Vemores32**

I haven't seen this pointed out anywhere else but I thought it since I seen it.

The back page of White Dwarf has Chaos on it, although it does have a silly heading like "Allies and how to use them!"

I'm thinking we'll see Chaos next month, with Dark Angels in October. No inside info, just guesswork!

**Alpharius**

Sidstyler wrote:I'd bet money on Dark Angels coming out first. The last 40k codex was Necrons and CSM don't count as a "real" power armor army since they aren't loyalists, and they won't put out two xenos in a row, so...

I think all the 'trusted' sources are leaning towards C: CSM (or Traitor Legions?) so... there goes your 'no 2 "Xenos" codices' theory!

**IdentifyZero**

gilljoy wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:take with salt, posted by Rick_1138 over at Warseer:

Hi folks,

Wasn't sure if this is the place for this topic but as its discussing forthcoming release i felt it was appropriate in the rumour section.

Basically my mates and I are travelling to Warhammer world for Throne of Skulls in October, all the way from the Deen!

We were discussing army choices as we need to start designing for 6th ed.

My mate suggested a death company army, and while horrifying, it cant take objectives and gives almost no VP's.

However having a read of my DA dex, i am very taken with the belial DW army.

However my source in the GW world informed me that the new DA dex may be out by October and as a result my list i have could be totally wrong in terms of models i can take/points make up.

I wasnt sure if a tournament would use a new dex as it used to be that there was a 2 month Grace period so people designing and painting\playtesting their armies dont have the rug pulled out due to a new rule book coming out just before the tournament.

If they are doing that, it means the DA dex will be getting released about august.

I doubt GW will nerf their new poster army, but i am hesitant to start buying the necessary models. Though I am toying with the idea of using Space hulk terminators as a start do convert into DW...hmmm

But yeah, does anyone have firmer details on DA dex release, or if the tournaments still give a 2 month grace before new rules are included?

Cheers

Could be possible for them to release the dark angels book along side the chaos one. With dark angels only getting one or two new plastics and finecast with chaos getting the majority of the love?

Similar to how it tells you in the space wolves squad box to use the spare parts to make long fangs, scouts and bikers could we see something similar for the dark angels perhaps?

They already have a set like that, the dark angels upgrade set, it's also one of the cheapest kits to buy and best value. Gives you 5 marines in robes + dark angels shoulder pads, helms, weaponry and even terminator accessories. I can see them repackaging it and upping the price to 2x the amount.

**kenshin620**

I already mentioned the DA Vet squad in another topic, then someone slapped me down saying its just a DA Sprue with a generic SM sprue. Seems that people want a complete standalone kit like the SW sets

**Steve steveson**

IdentifyZero wrote:
They already have a set like that, the dark angels upgrade set, it's also one of the cheapest kits to buy and best value. Gives you 5 marines in robes + dark angels shoulder pads, helms, weaponry and even terminator accessories. I can see them repackaging it and upping the price to 2x the amount.

You meen like this one:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1400016&prodId=prod1060236
I doubt they will repackage the upgrade sprue since they already sell it in a box with a special weapons sprue, and they upped the price just a few weeks back.

kenshin620 wrote:I already mentioned the DA Vet squad in another topic, then someone slapped me down saying its just a DA Sprue with a generic SM sprue. Seems that people want a complete standalone kit like the SW sets

They are wrong. It is a completly diffrent sprue. The only thing the same is the special weapons sprue.

**SkaerKrow**

Unless Chosen have gotten a serious stat increase, this rumored starter set leaves them heavily outmatched by the Dark Angels. So much so that I'm a little skeptical that this will be the final configuration of the starter set.

**DarkStarSabre**

I'd fully expect a stat upgrade similar to Wolf Guard to be honest. Chosen are sort of meant to be in that role - currently they're just CSMs with varied weapons and infiltrate. Nothing too special.

**Cerebrium**

I really hope Chaos don't need to share a release with DA. I mean, between plastic and finecast kits, DA already have pretty much all their units, barring any new ones. Meanwhile, we don't even have plastic or finecast generic lord in PA.

**Sidstyler**

Alpharius wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:I'd bet money on Dark Angels coming out first. The last 40k codex was Necrons and CSM don't count as a "real" power armor army since they aren't loyalists, and they won't put out two xenos in a row, so...

I think all the 'trusted' sources are leaning towards C: CSM (or Traitor Legions?) so... there goes your 'no 2 "Xenos" codices' theory!

Well I guess there's a first for everything, but you can't deny that based on recent history the Dark Angels would be the safer bet. I hope CSM comes out first because they kinda need it more, but I'm not holding my breath because we all know how GW are.

Also, I hope these aren't the same trusted sources who said the Summer of Flyers was gonna be a thing last year, or the ones who said Tau and/or Black Templars would be out Quarter 1/Quarter 2 this year, or that Eldar would be in the starter set possibly followed by a new codex...you get the idea.

**pretre**

notprop wrote:
pretre wrote:Looks like they chose poorly.

Indiana Jones quote per chance?

Or paraphase of such.

**Skipphag da Devoura**

Somebody may have already brought this up... But I'm at work, and so don't have time to read every entry yet...

But, who the heck is Captain Balthasar... In WFB, the Empire have Balthasar Gelt... Do they mean Belial? Or is this an SC that just popped out of the Warp to taunt us?
One of the Fallen... I am ascairt!

Seriously though, my Angels of Absolution so, so, so need the new DA Codex... But my Fallen need it worse.

**MandalorynOranj**

I don't think it's a special character, they seem to have given names to all the DA squads on that list, plus the librarian, and the chaos dread, I think it's just to give it a little flavor.