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**Saldiven**

angelofvengeance wrote:
They must've FAQ'd that out- I'm almost certain an Archon could use a Venom for their chariot :/

Chariot's weren't really a thing when the current DE book came out (some armies had units that acted kind of like a chariot, but "Chariots" as a unit type didn't exist like they do now when the current DE book was released). The Venom has only ever been a dedicated transport.

**Exergy**

Saldiven wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
They must've FAQ'd that out- I'm almost certain an Archon could use a Venom for their chariot :/

Chariot's weren't really a thing when the current DE book came out (some armies had units that acted kind of like a chariot, but "Chariots" as a unit type didn't exist like they do now when the current DE book was released). The Venom has only ever been a dedicated transport.

Yeah there was never an archon chariot.

In 3rd edition, Vect was a skimmer dreadnaught. That was weird.

**Theophony**

angelofvengeance wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
It'll be really sad when the DE contract as an army to remove things without models.

At the most they'll lose some special characters. No real biggie. With this plastic revolution GW is having, I'd put money on some excellent plastic character kits coming out

And at $30.00 a piece you'll be able to look at that SAME blister sitting on the shelf at the flgs for a long long time.

**Shandara**

Local FLGS hardly carry blisters anymore. So no danger there!

**Colpicklejar**

Geeze, it's been over a week since the GK release! Get it in gear!

**Goresaw**

Shandara wrote:
Local FLGS hardly carry blisters anymore. So no danger there!

Local FLGS hardly carry GW product period anymore...

Dark eldar need creative mechanics to emphasize their speed and firepower. Right now normal eldar are faster... shootier... and more durable. It will take a really breakout codex to put dark eldar back as the glass cannon they should be. And after the utter fail of the ork and GK books and the snorefest the wolf book was... I'd rather they update necrons... and blood angels... and inquisition again. ... and release some sisters.... and 8th edition... before they "update" our book

**Exergy**

Goresaw wrote:
Shandara wrote:
Local FLGS hardly carry blisters anymore. So no danger there!

Local FLGS hardly carry GW product period anymore...

Dark eldar need creative mechanics to emphasize their speed and firepower. Right now normal eldar are faster... shootier... and more durable. It will take a really breakout codex to put dark eldar back as the glass cannon they should be. And after the utter fail of the ork and GK books and the snorefest the wolf book was... I'd rather they update necrons... and blood angels... and inquisition again. ... and release some sisters.... and 8th edition... before they "update" our book

When Necrons came out and were faster than DE, that was really the end of them. Flyer transports and units that teleport around the table beats wyches who cannot even charge after running anymore.

**extremefreak17**

It would be interesting if we received a rule similar to Battle Focus but instead of allowing us to run and shoot, we could run and charge.

**whembly**

extremefreak17 wrote:
It would be interesting if we received a rule similar to Battle Focus but instead of allowing us to run and shoot, we could run and charge.

That would be EPIC!

**Theophony**

whembly wrote:
extremefreak17 wrote:
It would be interesting if we received a rule similar to Battle Focus but instead of allowing us to run and shoot, we could run and charge.

That would be EPIC!

yes but EPIC has been discontinued by GW, so it won't happen

**evildrcheese**

Besides if they could run and assault, wouldn't that make them Orks :p

D

**Fishboy**

Robomummy from Bols had this to say:

Couple points about Dark Eldar,
1) Dark eldar will most likely not be the next book but will appear before the holidays.
2) Vect will be released with the Dias of Destruction like he used to have. GW wants to keep Vect similar to how he is already and don't feel the need to change up what he rides in. Expect the dias of destruction to be an ornate/modified ravager with some better rules. The model for vect will be made so that it can be assembled on the dias or on foot.
3) sorry, no fallen phoenix lords. One or two new special characters but not a lot of new stuff (think ork release) since the models are already some of the best they sell.
4) Some characters gone but look for relic weaponry and equipment to remake them from the base archon (not as good as the actual characters though). Not all characters will be gone though.
5) A new fairly large haemonculus creation in line of a grotesque.
4) no change to beast packs as of yet.
5) revamped power from pain but not a huge shakeup to how it works.
6) yes, we will see Plastic incubi but depending if you like their look the finecast versions might look better and less rigid. we will also see plastic wracks (not grotesques). Also new voidraven bomber kit/upgrade kit (not sure about this yet).

He also said to look for wych and Coven supplements. Stated late September release on the main dex and the supplements a few months later.
Edit: He also stated in a second post that Baron was more than likely gone but he did not see the final cut. References it back to item 4 above.

**kitch102**

Personally I'd just like to see some means of my shadow field becoming more reliable, such as access to a reroll (looking forward to seeing what warlord traits we get, as an aside). Too many times has it shorted out on the first hit, only for my Archon to die horribly with little to no benefit on the game.

**BlaxicanX**

Fishboy wrote:
Robomummy from Bols had this to say:

4) Some characters gone but look for relic weaponry and equipment to remake them from the base archon (not as good as the actual characters though). Not all characters will be gone though.

Skyboard relic, Crystal Heart relic, a warlord trait that allows you to re-roll combat drug results and a warlord trait that allows you to re-deploy 3/d3 units after infiltrator/scout deployment!

**Sinful Hero**

BlaxicanX wrote:
Fishboy wrote:
Robomummy from Bols had this to say:

4) Some characters gone but look for relic weaponry and equipment to remake them from the base archon (not as good as the actual characters though). Not all characters will be gone though.

Skyboard relic, Crystal Heart relic, a warlord trait that allows you to re-roll combat drug results and a warlord trait that allows you to re-deploy 3/d3 units after infiltrator/scout deployment!

My thoughts exactly. I may just go back to fifth edition at this point, and just rejigger any new things or changes I like.

**MajorWesJanson**

kitch102 wrote:
Personally I'd just like to see some means of my shadow field becoming more reliable, such as access to a reroll (looking forward to seeing what warlord traits we get, as an aside). Too many times has it shorted out on the first hit, only for my Archon to die horribly with little to no benefit on the game.

A 2+ save should NEVER be rerollable. That ability does horrible things to the game.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
A 2+ save should NEVER be rerollable. That ability does horrible things to the game.

A 2+ save should never come without a huge drawback, actually. In the case of Dark Eldar, it is a save that will disappear the first time you fail it, on a quite expensive and otherwise very squishy character. In the case of 3rd edition Sisters of Battle, it was eating away Faith Point like crazy, and not even an automatic success. In the case of those horrible Tzeentch deamons stuff, it is plain concentrated evil.

**blaktoof**

That you lose it usually isn't a big deal, as often at toughness 3 the model is IDed anyways.

**extremefreak17**

Maybe we can get an EW relic?

**Colpicklejar**

extremefreak17 wrote:
Maybe we can get an EW relic?

I wouldn't count on it. The only new book so far to get something like that was the Ork supplement (and Warbosses barely need it).

**whembly**

extremefreak17 wrote:
Maybe we can get an EW relic?

If any DE characters gets EW... it better damned by Vect!

**ceorron**

Space marines got an EW wargear option. But yeah don't count on it. In fact i'd bet 20 against.

Orks did get a re-rollable 2+ through if you take mega armour and da lucky stikk. It comes with drawbacks and isn't an invulnerable save.

I'd say a 2+ invulnerable save with re-roll would be nearly unstoppable. So yeah v-unlikely.

Maybe they will get something like 1 re-roll a turn 2+ invulnerable though. But thats pure speculation, doesn't really fit and I couldn't see why.

**Havik110**

They will keep drazhar as the IW since as of now he is a phoenix lord.

I think move run and assault for de would be good. Its old fleet for the most part.

I personally think DLs need to be able to swap between dl and dissys as we do not have any middle str shots and missing with 1 dl can kill hurt. Also I know eldar are severely op but if they have twin linked guns why don't the original eldar?

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

blaktoof wrote:
That you lose it usually isn't a big deal, as often at toughness 3 the model is IDed anyways.

Well, it means the opponent can potentially use saturation to make you loose the 2++ and then use big shots. But yeah, I am familiar with the ID problem of T3 combat characters.

**Exergy**

Colpicklejar wrote:
extremefreak17 wrote:
Maybe we can get an EW relic?

I wouldn't count on it. The only new book so far to get something like that was the Ork supplement (and Warbosses barely need it).

Black Legion have one

SM have one

Iron Hands have one

Do SW?>

**evildrcheese**

No SW don't they used to have sagas which were upgrades that gave cool abilities, one of them had ew. Now the sagas are warlord traits and there's no purchasable ew option. At least in the main dex, couldn't comment on the supplement.

D

**Sephyr**

I have a sinking feeling that Baron Sathonyx will be gone, and all my Hellions be reduced to lame FA choices without OS....

**kitch102**

I wasn't talking about a permanent reroll, as that defeats the character of the shadow field. However, a reroll along the same line that you get by having a high BS (2+/5+ for instance) is closer to where I was going.

Or even a one time reroll. Hell, it could be awarded for getting a certain number of pain tokens for instance.

Just anything to make that 30 point upgrade a little longer lived lol.

Anyway, I don't intend to take the thread OT by wish listing, just wanted to do a better job of explaining myself :nods:

**blaktoof**

oddly I hope the court of the archon remains...I actually like using those random guys. reminds me of star wars somehow with the cantina with all the random aliens in it.

**SarisKhan**

blaktoof wrote:
oddly I hope the court of the archon remains...I actually like using those random guys. reminds me of star wars somehow with the cantina with all the random aliens in it.

They have models so they are likely to stay. I'm more worried about the poor sods who currently don't have official models.