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yeah...
Going to play what will probabily be my last game of 40k tonight
this is my list what do you think?
Suggestions...?


HQ
Daemon Prince with Wings 130pts

Elites
7 possessed plus champion 192pts
5Terminators with 4 combi Meltas champion with 1 Reaper AC and PowerFist 240
5termiators with Lightning Claws a champion and a Landraider 430pts

Troops
7Plague MArines 2plasma guns and champion 206pts
7plague marines and 1 plasmagun and chapion with powerfist 201pts

Heavy
Preditor with AutoCannon and Heavy Bolters 100pts

total 1499pts

If we play 1750pts... what should i add?
450pts of terminators might be a bit much... plus their raider???


PAnic...

Originally I tossed MoN on everything, warptime on the prince, etc, etc and I got to within 60 points of 1750. But I think with the models you posted it's better to strip down to a solid 1500. Here's my take (not too different, you'll notice):

HQ
Demon Prince - MoN, wings = 150

ELITES
5 Terminators - 4 combi-meltas, reaper autocannon, powerfist = 205
5 Terminators - 5 twin lightning claws, AC = 210
> Land Raider - extra armor = 245
7 Possessed = 182

TROOPS
7 Plague Marines - plasma gun, PC w/ powerfist = 216
7 Plague Marines - 2 plasma guns = 191

HEAVY
Predator - autocannon, heavy bolters = 100

TOTAL
1499 points

Changes:
> DP gets MoN -- Fluffy and T6 is where it's at, a real tough nut to crack. If you really feel like it you could drop the termi AC and land raider XA and get him warptime, makes him much much nastier in assault. The only thing keeping me from doing this is that XA on the raider I would expect is damn useful, considering you want it to be moving and dumping those termies out, which with no machine spirit is fairly easy to stop.
> Excess champions dropped -- Needed the points, those champs weren't doing much :S
> Raider gets XA -- As noted above.

That's about it. I think the list will play well and hey, you've got the models for it right there. Assault termies I distrust but that's me, if you get first turn then power on in for maximum carnage.

- Salvage

yeah...
I was thinking about MON on the DP, It was in my original list but was shaved off to make points for the AC Preditor.

You can see how the Battle went here...

I lost Mostly i think to poor deployment on my part.
My opponent PAul has beat me in evry game I've played him! I'll win one day!

Panic...

not enough troops maybe?
DP should be boosted
you might be alittle bit short of AT

Obliterators!!!! As many as you can fit. Also, DPs works best in pairs so your enemies have to split their fire more. I would say dump the possesed, since they are one of the worst units in the whole book.

yeah...

I don't have any Obliterators!!!! yet? I don't like the Model... maybe i could do some conversions...

I'm thinking I should drop the Possessed, but for some reason i love taking them, plus They did ok in the Game they killed 10 bloodclaws in two combats.
I hate the random table - next game i play i will leave them out.

I'm thinking I make the change to take two smaller melta Terminator squads...
Two squads of three terminators that way when they DS in they can split their fire on two targets (hopefully tanks)
and have a little diversity should they scatter bad. something like:

1 reaper autocannon PF
2 combi meltas
145pts

1 reaper autocanon PF
2 combi Meltas
145pts

Seeing how easy the terminators were destroyed via being outnumbered, i find them had to justify cost wise.
But In the game i just played the sorta worked, they DS into play behind two tanks and a dread, and took out the SW Dread, the plan was to go to town on tanks next but they were quickly put to the sword before they had a chance... If only they turned up a turn or two later when the SW troops were further

And if i drop all the champions from the list that would save some more points..
should be able to aford another squad of PM or maybe another Preditor with lascannons...

PAnic...

Panic wrote:Seeing how easy the terminators were destroyed via being outnumbered ...

If you mean No Retreat! wounds due to outnumbering, that's not possible as Chaos termies aren't Fearless :S

I think you're on track in dropping the possessed and wanting to go suicide bomb with the terminators. The possessed are damn cool models and I give props to anyone running them, but yes, they're a bit points-heavy and don't yield up great results. You wanting to keep the land raider around?

SALVAGED LIST 2.0

HQ
Demon Prince - MoN, wings, warptime = 175

ELITES
3 Terminators - reaper autocannon, combi-melta, powerfist = 130
3 Terminators - 3 combi-meltas, powerfist = 115

TROOPS
7 Plague Marines - plasma gun, PC w/ powerfist, icon = 221
7 Plague Marines - plasma gun, PC w/ powerfist, icon = 221
7 Plague Marines - 2 plasma guns = 191

HEAVY
Land Raider - extra armor = 245
Predator - autocannon, heavy bolters = 100
Predator - autocannon, heavy bolters = 100

TOTAL
1498 points

DP gets his warptime, can now go ape on squads instead of just being very tough.

Termies are striped down, giving 1 melta suicide squad that has a great chance of killing whatever it shoots at, one squad that can toss a melta in a pinch but also has that reaper for dropping with some distance (off plaguer icon) and providing support fire if needed. Reapers in both squads is 50 points that likely wouldn't survive the initial suicide drop. I originally had both squads with 2 meltas, no reapers at all, so they stay focused on their anti-tank missions. I prefer this but you've got the reapers and dropping with some distance isn't a bad call in some cases (i.e. no tanks to cook).

More plague marines is an excellent thing. 2 icons provide safe drops for the termies if need be.

Heavy tanks are now a real problem here, 2x AV13 and 1x AV14 gunline. Mass fire for anti-troop and light tank, land raider for lascannons, being invincible, maybe even dropping some plaguers up where they need to be.

- Salvage

The Land Raider is a point sink, and each army has some anti-heavy-amour weapons that take it down quickly.
By the way, there is no need to specify the Terminators' combi-weapons.

Admittedly I'm iffy on the big tank as well, but it can be fun to put a nice huge painted thing on the table and make tank sounds :S

His terminators have combi-meltas on them.

- Salvage

yeah...

The problem with terminators is that you get only a few guys for a massive amount of points invested... I have yet to see why/how they can be used to effect.

i know the arn't fearless but what i ment by overrun was what happed in my last game when a squad of 5T's got jumped by two squads of SW. that 2+ sav will fail when enough attacks are thrown at it!

I'm in the process of painting up thirty of them... so i'll be using them in most of my games for a while...

PAnic...

yeah...

Tommorrow I have another game!
Against more marines but this time it's White Scars with plenty of bikes!
Changing the list, using some of your suggestions I did this:
dropping the landraider and taking a second preditor with lascanons
Dropping the possessed and adding a third PM squad
using the points saved to changing the terminators into two three man squads and upgrading the Daemon prince.

HQ
Daemon Prince with Wings WArptime MON 175pts

Elites
3 Terminators with 2 combi Meltas 1 Reaper AC and powerFist 145pts
3 Terminators with 2 combi Meltas and powerFist 120pts
5 Termiators with Lightning Claws 200pts

Troops
7Plague MArines 2 plasma guns ICON 196pts
7Plague MArines 2 plasma guns ICON 196pts
7plague marines and 1 meltagun and champion with powerfist ICON 201pts

Heavy
Preditor with AutoCannon and Heavy Bolters 100pts
Preditor With TwinLinked LasCanons and LAS Sponsons 165pts

total 1499pts

We may play 1750pts in which case i may add the LR back in another 1 terminator...

any better ideas?
I've got 3xdreads, spawn, raptors, possessed, loads more PMs plus rhinos and loads a daemons big and small (who are about to be yanked from this army and made into their own)....

PAnic...

yeah...
Ok playing again in a hour or so... last minute changes...

thinking about putting the lightningclaws direct into the melta squads...

Elites
Elites
5 Terminators with 2 combi Meltas, 1 Reaper AC, 1 powerFist, 2LightningClaws 225pts
5 Terminators with 2 combi Meltas, 1 Reaper AC, 1 powerFist, 2LightningClaws 225pts

15pts spare... nurgles rot on the prince...
I could swap a PM squad for a raptor squad...
Or i could drop the prince and put a lord/sorcerer in a terminator squad...

PaniC...