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Ok so I have only recently joined the forums with the intent to share my minatures, for inspiration, for kudos, and hopefully maybe even fame haha.

The current project I am working on is a Fallen Inquisitor Army! The troops will all be heavily converted Space Marines that have been infested by Nurgle. The Leader is of course an awesome Inquisitor who has fallen to Tzeentch, he is mutated (as the Lord of Change will do to you) but still has some semblance to his former Inquisitor status. The final addition is 3 defilers, I haven't decided exactly how to convert these (there are MANY awesome ideas) and which god(s) to dedicate them to. I have plans to add either 3 Khorne dreadnoughts or some Khornate terminators with a Khornate Land raider, so maybe I will dedicate one of each of the defilers to one of my 3 gods, or maybe I will dedicate them to Slaanesh, the ideas are endless haha.

Anyway, this thread will be dedicated solely to my Lord, so far I have glued him together, done the base and done the first set of fixing with green stuff as can be seen in the pictures. The next step is to do a black undercoat and then I'll be able to see where needs more green stuff, those pics to come soon. The paint scheme planned is a solid red trim, gold metallics, a green on black pattern of kind of curly vines, green/grey mutations and skin. The talons on the claws and backpack, and the spikes on the tail, will be a blend from green/grey to silver. Any hints/tips/suggestions welcome, as is approval lol.

On a side note, I also have an Eldar Ulthwe/Exodite army that is almost finished painting that I will be putting up in a different thread, so keep an eye out!






That is a skeleton he is about to crush under his hoof btw hehe.

It's really interesting how you made that hoof... It kind of looks like you took a Chaos leg and turned it around? Really good job. The scythes/wing-things on his pack look like they came of 'Nids, but they go along with your Inquisitor perfectly. I'm surprised at how well they match. The Inquistorial shoulder pads could be more Chaos'd up, if you know what I mean? They look a little too "new" to be on a servant of Tzeentch. The Daemonic Arm is pretty awesome, with the way you put it on and all, but it still seems lacking of bulk. The base is fantastic, for being so early in the development process, and I like the skull under the hoof.

All in all, a job well done! Keep up the good work!

I like him a lot!

the huge claw needs an eyeball growing in the palm though.

Obscurum wrote:It's really interesting how you made that hoof... It kind of looks like you took a Chaos leg and turned it around? Really good job. The scythes/wing-things on his pack look like they came of 'Nids, but they go along with your Inquisitor perfectly. I'm surprised at how well they match. The Inquistorial shoulder pads could be more Chaos'd up, if you know what I mean? They look a little too "new" to be on a servant of Tzeentch. The Daemonic Arm is pretty awesome, with the way you put it on and all, but it still seems lacking of bulk. The base is fantastic, for being so early in the development process, and I like the skull under the hoof.

All in all, a job well done! Keep up the good work!

I think all the bits are from the possessed and spawn kits. I know the rear scythes and hoof are.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I like him a lot!

the huge claw needs an eyeball growing in the palm though.

Obscurum wrote:It's really interesting how you made that hoof... It kind of looks like you took a Chaos leg and turned it around? Really good job. The scythes/wing-things on his pack look like they came of 'Nids, but they go along with your Inquisitor perfectly. I'm surprised at how well they match. The Inquistorial shoulder pads could be more Chaos'd up, if you know what I mean? They look a little too "new" to be on a servant of Tzeentch. The Daemonic Arm is pretty awesome, with the way you put it on and all, but it still seems lacking of bulk. The base is fantastic, for being so early in the development process, and I like the skull under the hoof.

All in all, a job well done! Keep up the good work!

I think all the bits are from the possessed and spawn kits. I know the rear scythes and hoof are.

Still, it's all awesome. Besides, most of what I said was based on assumptiom- I don't know my sprue very well. Speaking of eyes... He could use one in the middle of his forehead- but maybe that's a little overused? I dunno.

ihatehumans wrote: The troops will all be heavily converted Space Marines that have been infested by Nurgle. The Leader is of course an awesome Inquisitor who has fallen to Tzeentch

please tell me you have a decent fluff explanation for this... im begging you.

Well the feeling I get from the CSM codex that they want to present CSM as a more allied force than say, the Daemons. The Daemon codex specifically states a lot about how the Gods fight amongst themselves, while the CSM codex talks a lot about various undivided forces of CSM where all 4 (or sub sets of those 4) are worshiped (with reckless abandon).

There's no rules for saying that individual characters with different mark to a unit can't join that unit (as there is in the Daemons codex) so I assumed it's part of the undivided nature of CSM.

Finally there's a quote (in the Daemons codex this time haha) about how Tzeentch cares not which Dark God you worship, for all the powers of Chaos cause change, and Tzeentch is the Lord of Change.

To sum up, I felt the Inquisitor would fall to Tzeentch as his dabbling in Dark Magic went deeper and deeper. The Marines themselves are much less likely to fall to Tzeentch, I felt Slaanesh was also out of the question, that left Khorne and Nurgle. I prefer Nurgle conversions and they have better Rules imo so Nurgle it was.

All true followers of Tzeentch maintain that Tzeentch has always been the Master of the Dark Gods and that the other manifestations of Chaos are just variations of his master scheming... So if that doesn't fluff you up enough I don't know what will lol!



And on the conversion, all parts are from various sprues, un-altered. As far as an eye-ball or 3 go, I was thinking of putting the one from the Spawn sprue (the big one) on his belt, but perhaps his hand might be good. I did a conversion of a Pink Horror Champion awhile ago with an eye ball in it's hand and I wasn't that impressed. I understand what you mean about the shoulder pads not being chaosy enough, I considered long and hard and decided the giant arm and tail would be enough, I didn't want him to be totally chaosy, more of a freshly converted minion of Tzeentch.

I don't get what you mean when you say it's missing bulk, he's only meant to be a lord not a daemon prince, I thought the arm and/or tail was almost over the top lol!

i think your mistaking chaos undivided for different groups of chaos working together.
undivided means worshipping chaos as a single entity, without any devisions, rather than 4 distinct gods. you describe a tzeentchian sorcerer leading plauge marines and bezerkers?
bezerkers dispise magic/sorcery and plague marines hate tzeentch...
if your sorcerer was undivided or was blessed by all 4 gods (ala abbadon) it would make more sense to me but currently it just seems like someone has picked units for rules and is trying to pass it off as fluff.

Page 39 of Codex - Chaos Daemons:

"Don't you see? My Master Tzeentch cares not which of the Great Powers of Chaos you serve...

Aren't the worshipers of the Lord of Flies changing strong, healthy bodies into rotting, diseased carcasses?...

Chaos is a struggle to change, you must agree, Change rules all."

I would agree with you if I had say a Nurgle Daemon Prince leading a Thousand Sons army, but a Tzeentch Chaos Lord leading some Nurgle marines doesn't seem out of place to me, I'm obviously bias having already started an army but I can't see how you could object to a united army of Chaos. Are you saying that to field more than one type of Chaos power without using Abaddon or a mostly Chaos Undivided force is un-fluffy?

no im saying a tzeentch sorcerer as a leader just doesnt convince me, if your sorcerer was blessed by all 4 gods (this not only would look awesome but would not be that challenging to make out of what you have now) or was undivided (less awesome but you would just need to remove a few details on the staff to create).

As an alternative to that you could have a tzeentchian sorcerer as an advisor to a undivided warlord.

Firstly, it's not a Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch, it's a Chaos Lord of Tzeentch... with a Daemon weapon.

The idea of him being blessed by all 4 gods is cool, except you can't give your lord (or sorcerer) more than one mark, for obvious reasons lol, so as far as rules go I'd be in a similar situation as you say now.

I can kind of see what your saying that Tzeentch and Nurgle don't generally work together, but the idea of my army is more of a, what Chaos God would you fall to, type army. Kind of like a seven deadly sins, except there's only 4. The Inquisitor's sin is plotting and scheming and falls to tzeentch, the marines sin is death, and they fall to nurgle, the dreadnoughts and/or terminator assault squads sin is bloody murder, and they fall to khorne. And perhaps the defilers will be each a daemon dedicated to one of those three powers, otherwise I might make them walking torture chambers dedicated to Slaanesh.

Remember that this isn't an army of CSM so much as it is a fallen radical Inquisitor force, each part having been claimed by a different chaos power. I was originally going to make the Inquisitor Nurgle like the marines, but I found it was more un-fluffy to have a holy Inquisitor fall to corruption, Tzeentch just seemed the obvious choice to me. If I was gonna change anything it would be the marines, but Khorne hate Tzeentch more then Nurgle, Slaanesh seems off for an Inquisitorial force as does Tzeentch for the core troops, so I went with Nurgle!

if you came up with some fluff like the chapter was created for the inquisitor as a reward for some amazing discovery and as such they were completely loyal to him rather than the emperor.
when the inquisitor turned to chaos the chapter followed suit but instead of following tzeentch as he did they followed the chaos gods they identified with most.
CC and assault units to khorne, fast attack to slaanesh, heavy support to nurgle and the troops were undivided.

How about this, the daemonic powers of Chaos have infested a radical Inquisitor and his marine cohort. Mutations are aboon, to represent the Inquisitors natural affinity to the warp he is a Chaos Lord with Mark of Tzeentch. To represent the added durability of being infested by a daemon, and the Chaotic aura it creates, the marines count as Plague Marines.

The guys at my local GW all found the Tzeentch Inquisitor and Nurgle Marines to be perfectly acceptable, even inspiring. If you have a problem with Tzeentch commanding Nurgle, perhaps you should be answering to the Plague Father

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/236241.page

that is all

I'm glad you brought my attention to that article, I've never come across any one who took offense at combining chaos powers, so was unaware that there was any kind of issue there!

I've always been keen on fluffy, in fact it used to be that I would refuse to play an army unless I could write a story of at least 3000 words that made sense and kept the reader interested. The WAAC way of playing revolts me, as it should any true war-games player, that's why so many tournaments have scores for army themes as well as wins/losses.

That said, I did write a story for this army, except at that stage my Inquisitor lord was completely un-mutated, deceptively like the changeling, and the marines were all thousand sons type of animated armor. I might post it on here when I'm happy with grammar/spelling.

I changed my mind about my lord conversion, it was too awesome an opportunity to make a mutant lord, I had to do it. Then that left me in a difficult position, the marines all had to be mutated to fit in with the lord. I could have left them as Thousand Sons but I saw no real comparison between mutated marines and marines with ap 3 bolters that are slow and purposeful and no combat weapons... Then there was 4 (3 and undivided). I think we all agree slaanesh, though clearly the most likely to ally with Tzeentch, was once again un-characteristic of the marines I was converting. Then there was 3. Khorne was instantly out, as any fool will tell you, Tzeentch and Khorne are a no, under no circumstances, never, and apparently Khorne and Slaanesh don't mix! Then there was 2, normal CSM and Nurgle. Now I thought, well normal CSM might as well be normal marines, so if I want them to be mutant it's gonna have to be Nurgle. I was un-aware of any animosity between Nurgle and Tzeentch, and as I said, was WELL aware of Tzeentch feeling they are the lords of all Chaos, and hence I felt I had reached the crux, where I would have a Tzeentch leader with other chaos minions... how wrong I was...

Now I've already done a bunch of pus balls, tentacles and tubes coming out of my marines, and my lord is clearly Tzeentch. Like you said I could call him a sorcerer and take a vanilla lord, but then that makes my army a bit flavorless as the Inquisitor would now be 2nd, destroying the whole concept. My other option, is to simply tell you the marines are 'counts as' rather than specifically 'Plague Marines of the Death Guard' meaning that any past differences between Tzeentch and Nurgle traitor marines is forgotten in the hopes of spreading the glories of chaos (and it's 'changing' ways).

Also if I went against that fellow you linked and he gave me a bad score for army composition (because I had Nurgle and Tzeentch), I'd give him a low score for sportsmanship, because he has a very closed mind to what is and isn't, fluffy. The idea of war games is to follow the fluff, but not to follow it like it's godamn law, be creative, make strange army lists, if we all followed the specific given text to the letter, everyone would have pretty much the same armies, games would be boring to say the least!

And if that's not enough for you, check a lot of the recent fluff that's been out, and how often it clashes with past fluff! Don't hate the hobbyist, hate the hobby! You can blame foolish people for only ready most of the current fluff and not having a comprehensive knowledge of all past and present data on their specific army, but all your doing is ruining a perfectly fun game by limiting it's potential creativity. If some guy want's to put Khorne warriors in the same army as a Tzeentch Sorcerer because he thinks his army needs bloody warriors and scheming cultists, then let him, it's classic D&D style flavor, just because it doesn't fit some of the GW specific text doesn't mean it makes the guy a WAAC player, or some other lesser form of hobbyist!

So in conclusion kids Tzeentch is delusional/overly confident, khorne hates everyone exept himself and nurgle, slaanesh loves everyone exept khorne and nurgle just doesnt like tzeentch.

Unless you have a good reason (Tzeentchian mind control/other loyalties/kept together by undivided lord/other) dont mix powers that dont like eachother... please?

Really interesting thread. Love the conversion. I think the idea is great. My 2 cents, and please understand that I am not very versed in the rules of chaos, is that if you can come up with a compelling story, then it can work how you envision it. Hell, after all, they are chaos. I think it sounds really interesting. But what do I know.

Exactly where does it state directly that "all nurgle hate all tzeentch" and I mean ALL. Tell me a codex and a page, and remember I'm not talking death guard and thousand sons, I'm talking Nurgle and Tzeentch having a personal issue with each other!

Kids, don't listen to him, if you wanna mix your chaos gods, do so tastefully but still go ahead and do so, it's a game not a bible and is made to be enjoyed, not regulated!


And thank you Ixlar, I appreciate both your opinions. Your Grey Knights captain looks really cool too Perhaps I will collect Grey Knights next, except I'll probably slip up and try and take a Grey Knight captain and a radical Inquisitor in an attempt to construct some kind of fluff between their differing views, and then I'll be branded WAAC :(

This is a neat conversion, and I am not to opposed to your fluff story. I don't totally agree, but at least you made an effort to explain away the mixing. My only question is if the inquisitor was experimenting with dark magic and that led to him falling to Tzeentch, why is he not a sorcerer? I don't think I could buy into the fact that when he fell and changed he lost his ability to use the dark powers.

Just a thought.

Chaos daemons codex?
any of the previous edition codices for chaos exept the 4th ed one?
again i refer you to the thread about chaos players not caring about the fluff, read the whole thread.

I know what you could do. Make a Inquisitor Chaos Lord Witchunter Eldar sympathizer. His power could be that once it comes into play, he vanishes in a puff of logic.

I agree that if you are going to make a mod, you need to come up with compelling fluff to go with it. I really think ihatehumans is close with the story is has created. Probably need to fine tune it a bit more. Really, I think the only thing that can be said is that when you play this army, just make sure the other person is cool with it. It doesn't sound like you are making this army for a tournament. So, have as much fun as you can. Creativity is a great thing. The rules are just guidelines to get everyone on the same page. But even in the primary rulebook they talk about using house rules. That is gaming 101.

Go for it ihatehumans. I can't wait to see the paintjob.

ihatehumans wrote:Your Grey Knights captain looks really cool too Perhaps I will collect Grey Knights next......

I was building my Dark Angel army, and my buddy purchased Stern for me as a gift. I had such a great time painting all the detail, I am now hooked on the DH army. I had to tell my friend that I was going to have to curse him for getting me started on yet another army before I finished the one I was working on. Grey Knights just look fantastic. I am just getting into conversions, so I have a few plans for my pure, honorable, stalwart army of Grey Knights.

corpsesarefun wrote:Chaos daemons codex?
any of the previous edition codices for chaos exept the 4th ed one?
again i refer you to the thread about chaos players not caring about the fluff, read the whole thread.

Page... Number... And I think YOU should read the complete thread, most people agree that the fluff is patchy at best and that sticking to it to strongly will only make your life, and people around you, difficult to say the least


Perhaps I will make him a sorcerer, but what about if he simply used daemonic artifacts... It would explain why he now carries the staff rather than an Inquisitorial weapon, say he found a daemon weapon and being a radical decided he was strong enough to control it's power to use against the daemons. In fact to top things off he could simply be mutating with out losing his loyalties to the Emperor, as are the marines. There's a lot in the Inquisitor fluff about radicals who have daemonic mutations and daemonic minions, still being loyal to the Emperor!

The local people I game with all seem fine with my army (although they are mostly friends and GW staff so they are more likely to accept my choices), they are mostly excited about seeing the conversions and paint jobs, worst case scenario I'll just buy Typhus (awesome model) and use him as a HQ... or is there something in some long forgotten fluff about how Typhus can never be fielded with defilers, thus making it once again a WAAC army?


Grey Knights are awesome, especially when all the detail in the model is picked out! I personally think though, that it's difficult to come up with an original paint scheme that still fits the theme. Gold and Silver have been over done so much, and red is a third choice that is still quite frequent. Bright Colors like pink and yellow are just ridiculous, colors like blue and green make them look more like the SM chapters. Perhaps brown, but not too light or it will look like bone which is overdone for every damn race (I've even seen bone colored orks! ).

I have to curse this thread. I realized how many questions I couldn't answer about chaos, so went out and purchased a CSM and a Chaos Daemons codex. Oh well, my bank account didn't need that money. Great reading.

My Grey Knights are going to be cookie cutter. I really like the standard paint scheme. I'll make some changes I am sure. My Dark Angel army is going to be much more original. I am already making some mods to my Deathwing. I am trying to come up with an interesting mod to make Belial. Since he doesn't exist as a figure, a lot of creative folks have made some good conversions. Making something new is going to be tough. But should be a lot of fun.

Hope you get some paint done soon, can't wait to see the pics.

I'd like to point out that part of the Tzeentchian nature is to manipulate, Inquisitors have the power to manipulate. I'd see less of a problem if the Chapter had already gone to Nurgle then the Inquisitor came along and manipulated them into serving him.

Lol, I have most of the codex simply because it's good reading, and because it's good to know thy enemy. Of course it hurts when GW bring out a new one and I can't afford it lol, but it's great when I do get it and enjoy the thrill of seeing new minis and all new rules and fluff. It also makes it easy to plan my next army if I already have the codex.

I do like the regular Grey Knights, they look great! But I hate painting the same paint scheme as some one else because if I decide to change some minute detail or don't do the same shading and it looks worse than theirs I feel inferior :(

There is some really awesome conversions for Belial out there, some pretty shoddy ones too haha but mostly great. Just remember to make sure to make it as elaborate as possible. I fell that if your making a special character they have to be even more outstanding than a regular HQ. That's why my Eldrad conversion is still in pieces after like 4 months lol!

I won't be painting my chaos army for at least another month or two, I still have to finish off my Eldar army, so they come first on the painting front. I will just be converting all my marines and defilers. Wait till Sunday when I plan to photo most of my Eldar, on my gaming table. Hopefully by then I'll have finished painting my awesome farseer, converted from a wood elf spell singer and some dire avenger bitz!

Also may I ask you where you get your flock from? Those bushes on the terminator's base look cool, and is that a normal stone from the ground or is it from some kind of a craft store? I mostly use only GW standard basing products and various bitz from other kits for my scenic bases, but I think I need to branch out as I'm really missing out on some awesome styles!

On the Battlefield who can say exactly what loyalties are present. Men will assemble and train for a cause, but once shots are fired and blades are crossed, what does that cause now mean? The enemy must be defeated, at all costs, and the path to victory is with ones allies. Be they past rivals or strong companions, all is forgotten in the heat of battle, your ally is your best friend and the enemy your hated nemesis. It is the same on both sides, whatever beliefs and ideals were there before the battle could well have been similar between both sides, or clashing inside each army, or inside each man.

Before and after a battle, it can be discussed why each warrior took up his weapons and fought, it can be theorized, debated, analyzed and detailed in great precision. But in those few minutes, or hours or days or months or years, it can only be said that there is war and strife, and each soldier holds their own reasons to fight, just as different as it is the same to his ally and his enemy alike. War is not a cataloged list of logical actions, it is a great untamed beast of change. Conflict inside each and every participant, and between them all. Do not assume you can ever truly understand the complexities of war, for when ever your grasp seems firm it shall slip from you like a snake and will change it's nature in a way you least suspected.


In short, decide what you will about why an Inquisitor is infested by Tzeentch, and why once loyal marines are now infested by Nurgle, and why these two are allies. What ever seems most reasonable to you, for in the end there is only war, and war is never reasonable.

Nice model, ihatehumans. Can't wait to see it with some paint on it. Do want you want army-wise - it's your models, your money and your time. If someone really has a huge issue with it, it's their loss I suppose.

I agree with you about the unique characters. They must be a step above everything else on the table. Oooh, Eldar. Very nice. The Eldar lines are so clean. You can do some very stylized painting on them. Belial will be on of the last models I paint for my Deathwing. That way I have time to work on him.

Here is a pic of the stuff I am using right now. I just painted the white slate rock to make it look natural. The green bushes are basically cut up green sponge. Just go get some fine sponges. Die them whatever color you want for your bushes or plants. Cut it up into very small bits. Once in place, you can do whatever you want to color it more. On Stern's base I just ran some glue up the top of the colored slate. Ended up looking pretty natural. I was happy.

Geeze stop harping on a guy for making a creative and 100% legal model because it violates your own private fluff.

Mixed armes have ALWAYS been part of GW's chaos.

Besides, the gods of chaos are insane, uncaring and distant. Does anyone think that Tzeentch mindlessly gibbering in the warp is suddenly going to look up and say HEY! that guy's allying with Nurgle!

Does anyone see Nurgle festering and rotting and smelling his own farts is going to care that his dudes are being led by a Tzeentch follower?

This bizzare sense of outrage doesn't even make sense in the fluff.

Personally I say as long as the rules are legal, I say stuff the fluff. That's a pretty decent conversion.

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