Dark Angels Rumors thread: Update 11/25

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**Platuan4th**

http://www.thedarkfortress.co.uk/tech_reports/da_rules_history.htm

"White Dwarf 126 [GW 1990]
An article on Epic Space Marine Legion organisations establishes the first appearance of the Deathwing, Ravenwing and "Ironwing" (the latter now defunct) as the three separate battalions within a typical Dark Angel Regiment."

Ironwing was, in essence, the motorpool as a battle formation led by the Dark Angel's Master of the Forge. So, they'd be green, since it's the chapter's standard vehicles.

**MightyGodzilla**

Great Link, thanks Platuan4th, that site actually stirred up a lot of latent memories. It's too bad they didn't keep rolling with fluff and rules for the 3rd, 6th, & 7th.

**B3AN**

As an aspiring DA player, I really hope this Codex: Dark Angels stands them apart from the rest in a unique way. The way BA and SW codex's did for them. New rules for "Get's Hot" would be great. My first game with the Dark Vengeance set was a disaster lol. I lost SM Sergent, PC, AND PG to "Get's Hot" within two rounds of shooting.

**Hrontore Da Death Bringer**

anyone want the ares to be an official kit. could be the new seige?

**Mathieu Raymond**

I know this maybe a bit wish-listy, and even better served by the vanilla codex, but I hope the codex also addresses a way of playing PA Dark Angels as well in an interesting way. Yes, I can do Deathwing and Ravenwing, and that's fine, but what if I want to integrate PA to this? I'm not much of a purist, or at least can't play very well with only TDA troops, I need a bit more.

**Hrontore Da Death Bringer**

i agree with ^. i rally dont like how iit s almost impossible to run a narmal marine list. i havent sprung for a sammael and i proxy a termi as belial.its my army of choic cut i cant fild them without those two

**Nvs**

Yea, they'll definitely need to do something to make players remember that the Dark Angels are actually a space marine chapter and not just a nickname for Deathwing and Ravenwing.

Previous rumors implied there were banner rules to make 'buffing circles' which would be a way to encourage players to take tactical units perhaps. Plus if the mini-chaplain rumor pans out and they get some good shootying bonus to go with the melee bonus, we'll see more that way too.

**The_Chaplain**

Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:
anyone want the ares to be an official kit. could be the new seige?

I would, i'd buy several so I could run FW Apocalypse tank formations, magnetizing the sponsons and turret so I could run them as ares or achilles as needed.

I for one actually hope we get an Ironwing option, just for fans of green marines.

**Nvs**

How would you make an Ironwing army though? Just aren't enough slots. Short of giving them razorback or predator formations (can buy up to 3 per slot) I don't see it working.

Though a cheap razorback that forgoes troop capacity for a plasma generator and a twin-linked plasma cannon at 40pts could be fun

**Nuclear Mekanik**

Hrontore Da Death Bringer wrote:
anyone want the ares to be an official kit. could be the new seige?

Would be truly beautiful if this was the case but I don't think it's very likely, sadly.

**Praxiss**

The_Chaplain wrote:

I for one actually hope we get an Ironwing option, just for fans of green marines.

I thought all DA normal marines wore green armour? Although, having just read the primarchs - it seems that BA used to wear black armour.

**stormboy**

The DA used to wear black armor. It was changed to green after the heresy.

**Praxiss**

Ah. Thanks.

**wowsmash**

I wouldn't mind seeing a re-roll for gets hot or something along those lines. Also would love to be able to use PA rather than just deathwing or ravenwing as well.

Plz Plz please give us a deathwing termi box I'm beggin ya!

**Talarn Blackshard**

This is pretty much why I haven't touched my 2000 points of marines *looks at all the opened boxes* Im afraid of making a certain list then with any new potential options, having to wreck rebuild it...

**MightyGodzilla**

At Talarn. Normally I'd say that's a bad line of reason. Kind of like waiting to build a computer til the prices of tech come down. But as there might be a DA codex around the corner I'll suspend the kibitzing.

But actually there's no reason not to build and paint the staples....marines with bolters, sergeants with pistol / fist or sword, rhinos, dreads, land raiders, drop pods - I can't see any of that going obsolete. Invest in some magnets for terminator and bigger sized models so you can swap out options and go easy on the glue.

A built mini is funner on the tabletop than his 11 component pieces on a sprue.

**B3AN**

I agree with Mighty. I'm pretty new to the game and I plan on buying the staples as he put it. I'm waiting for the DA Codex to come out as well. So I feel your pain there Talarn. I want a viable green army to.

**mattyrm**

GhostOfCaliban wrote:
As an aspiring DA player, I really hope this Codex: Dark Angels stands them apart from the rest in a unique way. The way BA and SW codex's did for them. New rules for "Get's Hot" would be great. My first game with the Dark Vengeance set was a disaster lol. I lost SM Sergent, PC, AND PG to "Get's Hot" within two rounds of shooting.

You are aware that you get your armour saves right?

I'm just asking because that seems staggeringly unlucky, I think in all of my 40k career Ive only lost 2 or 3 guys to gets hot. If your unlucky enough to roll a 1, you dont usually follow it up with a 1 or a 2! And when I very first started playing I remember thinking a gets hot roll was at ap2.

**kronk**

mattyrm wrote:
GhostOfCaliban wrote:
As an aspiring DA player, I really hope this Codex: Dark Angels stands them apart from the rest in a unique way. The way BA and SW codex's did for them. New rules for "Get's Hot" would be great. My first game with the Dark Vengeance set was a disaster lol. I lost SM Sergent, PC, AND PG to "Get's Hot" within two rounds of shooting.

You are aware that you get your armour saves right?

I'm just asking because that seems staggeringly unlucky, I think in all of my 40k career Ive only lost 2 or 3 guys to gets hot. If your unlucky enough to roll a 1, you dont usually follow it up with a 1 or a 2! And when I very first started playing I remember thinking a gets hot roll was at ap2.

I've lost a lot of plasma gunners over the last 4 years from gets hot, but I like to run a lot of plasma guns and plasma cannons. It certainly seems like more than 1 in 6 followed by 2 in 6, but then you either remember the really good rolls or the really bad ones.

**MightyGodzilla**

mattyrm wrote:
GhostOfCaliban wrote:
As an aspiring DA player, I really hope this Codex: Dark Angels stands them apart from the rest in a unique way. The way BA and SW codex's did for them. New rules for "Get's Hot" would be great. My first game with the Dark Vengeance set was a disaster lol. I lost SM Sergent, PC, AND PG to "Get's Hot" within two rounds of shooting.

You are aware that you get your armour saves right?

I'm just asking because that seems staggeringly unlucky, I think in all of my 40k career Ive only lost 2 or 3 guys to gets hot. If your unlucky enough to roll a 1, you dont usually follow it up with a 1 or a 2! And when I very first started playing I remember thinking a gets hot roll was at ap2.

Lol yeah, I remember playing the games when I thought the AP2 on the profile just meant your guy got melted on a 1 in 6. Fun times. Even then I still play my tacticals with a plasma gun, plasma cannon, and a serg with a plasma pistol. It was plastastic.

**Kroothawk**

Stickmonkey wrote:Hello boys and girls,
I've rested and recovered from the insanity of GDUK, really enjoyed meeting lots of people. If I met you there, cheers.

Down to business.

Right now info I have is we will see DA in November, and we can play with them before Christmas.

From the rules rumor dept I have a few bits, please bear in mind these are only rumors:

HQ:
Azrael
Belial - not needed for deathwing
Sammael - not needed for ravenwing
Azmodai
Ezekiel
Barakiel - named Techmarine/master of the forge! Note: barakiel is known as Angel of Lightning in references
Sabrael - guardian of the inner circle, gives bonus to inner circle unit
Librarian
Company Master TA option
Interrogator chaplain
Command squad ( option to take TA or bikes with Belial or Sammael respectively, and apothecary, standard bearer, 1 heavy weapon)

Elite:
Techmarine
Chaplains (x3 can function independently like sanguinary priests in BA, or form a unit w special rules). Only characters if independent.
Inner circle unit ( name is not known) tasked with hunting down one enemy unit, special rules for doing so. Can death wing assault, can assault on deep strike. But glass cannon, great in assault, but standard PA so will be easily shot up.
Brother-interrogators - this unit wears chaplain style death masks, but are not chaplains, they are a specialist unit adept at near range combat, standard armament is dual bolt pistols and power maul. Can upgrade pistols.
Veterans
Dreadnought
Scouts

Troops:
Terminators
Tactical squad
Ravenwing Bike squad not sure how it differs from ravenwing assault squad.

FA:
Ravenwing assault squad
Ravenwing support squad
Assault marines
Ravenclaw air superiority fighter

Hvy
Predator
Whirlwind w flakk options
Land raider
Devastator w flakk options
Dreadnought
Vindicator

Rumor is there is something else for the heavy slot too, but no info specific to it.

Fortifications:
Siege cannon ( this is supposedly the Techmarine cannon described earlier)
Battle bunker

That's enough to chew on for now....might be a few more surprises...and this is still just RUMOR folks...names and all.

Cheers

**MightyGodzilla**

That is utterly awesome news. Can't wait to read about all of the new personalities. More Chaplains on the field....YES!!! I wonder if that new heavy slot is the plasma equipped predator. The new elites are going to make the DAs stand out from all of the other armies (well besides the DW and RW of course). It's a pity that there are only 3 elite slots. They should spread the new slots out more. Hopefully there was playtesting involved.

All in all YAY!

**Nuclear Mekanik**

Kroothawk wrote:
Stickmonkey wrote:
Elite:
Brother-interrogators - this unit wears chaplain style death masks, but are not chaplains, they are a specialist unit adept at near range combat, standard armament is dual bolt pistols and power maul. Can upgrade pistols.

*Does a happy dance*

**Brother SRM**

Added rumors to the OP; thanks for doing my job for me Kroothawk

**pretre**

Adding to rumor tracker.

**Skipphag da Devoura**

At 2k, could field 6 units of "chaplain-y" guys!!!! Sweet!!!
Makes all the BA's no longer "more" "chaplain-y" than the DA... Yay!!!

Now that I've got that all out of my system...

I have a question, that may seem silly, but not having pored over the 6th ed book as much as I should have by now...
I have a very old Angels of Absolution force... roughly 3k... And now, with the DV set, I've started to paint up actual DA... Since they use the same codex, would any of you consider them to be one force, or would you consider them to be Battle Brother allies?
Figured that I'd ask before showing up to a game with a bum list...

**Marthike**

Skipphag da Devoura wrote:
At 2k, could field 6 units of "chaplain-y" guys!!!! Sweet!!!
Makes all the BA's no longer "more" "chaplain-y" than the DA... Yay!!!

Now that I've got that all out of my system...

I have a question, that may seem silly, but not having pored over the 6th ed book as much as I should have by now...
I have a very old Angels of Absolution force... roughly 3k... And now, with the DV set, I've started to paint up actual DA... Since they use the same codex, would any of you consider them to be one force, or would you consider them to be Battle Brother allies?
Figured that I'd ask before showing up to a game with a bum list...

Well they are DA you can only play them with DA rules so they are just one force. the allies rule work on codexes not how you paint them or any personal or official fluff

**Nuclear Mekanik**

Indeed, if you play them DA rules but some of your army are painted a different colour, I don't think anyone who matters is going to complain.

**Platuan4th**

Nuclear Mekanik wrote:
Indeed, if you play them DA rules but some of your army are painted a different colour, I don't think anyone who matters is going to complain.

And if they do, point out that Azrael leads the Unforgiven as a whole and that the various chapters working together isn't just fluffy, but rather pretty commonplace when Fallen are involved.

**SickSix**

Sounds good. I like what I am seeing.

So what two units will come in the same box?

Interrogator Brothers and Inner Circle?