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Seems like it.

Cant wait for the new kits

Am I the only one that noticed there are dreads in two slots?

Since I don't use tanks, I could just have them sit there, and get more gooey goodness.

Also new flyer. Expected, I assume. I will be using my stormtalon, unless a transport capacity is involved. Can someone please 'shop a Dark-Chibi-Hawk?

It's probably just venerable as Elite... Standard as heavy support.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Am I the only one that noticed there are dreads in two slots?

Since I don't use tanks, I could just have them sit there, and get more gooey goodness.

Also new flyer. Expected, I assume. I will be using my stormtalon, unless a transport capacity is involved. Can someone please 'shop a Dark-Chibi-Hawk?

A few people have painted them as Ravenwing:

The name of the possible new flier sounds familiar. Was it the same as the rumored one in the giant release list we all saw last month?

It was called the Gale Claw.

... or it could be the Land Avenger...

the suspense is kil... wait no, it ain't. I bought the flying guppy, fer cryin' out lawd! Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

It was the Gale Claw, yes. The Land Avenger (based on other things on that list) sounded more like a tank. There was also a Marine Siege Cannon on that list.

right, there were two variations of the Land Avenger, one called the Vulkan, which links them more towards Salamanders, hence ground-pounding.

But if this is from the list, and then we see the Hobbit stuff come out... would that lend credence to the list?

Keep in mind, that in the same thread as the source of the new DA rumours, Stickmonkey also said that all his sources said that big release list was a fake. And as 2012 seems to be the year of hoaxes, I am, at this point, inclined to agree. It may be real, but then, we have little reason to assume it is since it didn't really come from any solid source when it surfaced. If Hastings or Harry had posted it, then I may pay it heed, but it's starting to look like another hoax.

Depends what the Hobbit stuff is!

That list was also said to be Q3 2013. So we wouldn't see any of that for a long while anyways, even if it was real. (which I still hope it is)

Right now info I have is we will see DA in November, and we can play with them before Christmas.

I just as often still see rumors that Warriors Of Chaos is coming out in November and I know that's been done and ready to go to market for a while, so which is it? I doubt we're getting both. Remember those people who insisted we'd get Chaos Marines and Dark Angels in October? I said that wouldn't happen either. So which is it, WoC or DA in November?

Well, so far we have a post from hastings that states DA in november (the later clarification to a specific question is unclear on exact dates, though many people extrapolated a Dec/Jan release from it; though hastings has never clarified if that later post meant his previous Nov estimate was wrong). And now Stickmonkey is singing the same tune. That is two fairly good sources. On the other hand WoC has much less consensus between the mongers. From what I can tell the only dissenting rumour of a DA delay is, well Faiet212... so there's that.

But we wont know until the next WD hits the shelves. But between Stickmonkey and Hastings November sounds like a fairly solid estimate.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Well, so far we have a post from hastings that states DA in november (the later clarification to a specific question is unclear on exact dates, though many people extrapolated a Dec/Jan release from it; though hastings has never clarified if that later post meant his previous Nov estimate was wrong). And now Stickmonkey is singing the same tune. That is two fairly good sources. On the other hand WoC has much less consensus between the mongers. From what I can tell the only dissenting rumour of a DA delay is, well Faiet212... so there's that.

But we wont know until the next WD hits the shelves. But between Stickmonkey and Hastings November sounds like a fairly solid estimate.

The post in the second link basically has everything a month behind, but I can't see the date for The Hobbit shifting at all. I'd understand Warriors of Chaos for November and The Hobbit in December to sync up with the film's release date, followed up in January for Dark Angels. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. I doubt that two releases will hit in the same month, but you never know.

 mattyrm wrote:

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:
As an aspiring DA player, I really hope this Codex: Dark Angels stands them apart from the rest in a unique way. The way BA and SW codex's did for them. New rules for "Get's Hot" would be great. My first game with the Dark Vengeance set was a disaster lol. I lost SM Sergent, PC, AND PG to "Get's Hot" within two rounds of shooting.

You are aware that you get your armour saves right?

I'm just asking because that seems staggeringly unlucky, I think in all of my 40k career Ive only lost 2 or 3 guys to gets hot. If your unlucky enough to roll a 1, you dont usually follow it up with a 1 or a 2! And when I very first started playing I remember thinking a gets hot roll was at ap2.

/facepalm ... I probably wasn't paying attention. I am new sooooo... But HEY I won my first game last night against some Chaos and he was rocking a Daemon Prince with flying and marks. Shot him out of the sky and grounded his butt. LUCKY rolls I have to say. He failed his cover save from Dive too. He saved against the wound from falling though. Also not a single failed Gets Hot! lol.


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 Nuclear Mekanik wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

Stickmonkey wrote:
Elite:
Brother-interrogators - this unit wears chaplain style death masks, but are not chaplains, they are a specialist unit adept at near range combat, standard armament is dual bolt pistols and power maul. Can upgrade pistols.

*Does a happy dance*

I second that!

*breaks out cardboard dance floor*

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Well, so far we have a post from hastings that states DA in november (the later clarification to a specific question is unclear on exact dates, though many people extrapolated a Dec/Jan release from it; though hastings has never clarified if that later post meant his previous Nov estimate was wrong). And now Stickmonkey is singing the same tune. That is two fairly good sources. On the other hand WoC has much less consensus between the mongers. From what I can tell the only dissenting rumour of a DA delay is, well Faiet212... so there's that.

But we wont know until the next WD hits the shelves. But between Stickmonkey and Hastings November sounds like a fairly solid estimate.

The post in the second link basically has everything a month behind, but I can't see the date for The Hobbit shifting at all. I'd understand Warriors of Chaos for November and The Hobbit in December to sync up with the film's release date, followed up in January for Dark Angels. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. I doubt that two releases will hit in the same month, but you never know.

Yeah, I haven't been keeping too up to date with the WFB rumours lately (I'm a dwarf player so I'm basically trying to ignore it until I'm closer to within a year of release, otherwise I'd drive myself batty) but skimming the WoC threads there is a huge scattering of possible dates for it and some of them point to early next year. But I think that there is an outside chance that GW may have determined that they don't have a whole lot of cross-pollination between the lines so they could potentially release two things for different lines in the same month (not holding my breath, but it could happen). So WoC and DA or Hobbit and DA could always double up (the latter seems less likely as it will be an avenue for a lot of new blood so they will likely push it exclusively that month).

The other possibility is that the October pre-order is WoC (for release in early November), the November pre-order is Dark Angels (for release in early December) and the pre-order for December (with them possibly jumping it a bit early to coincide with movie release and to hit the holiday rush) is the Hobbit with a slightly early release in the same month (or they may aim for January, who knows?). Of course where this leaves Daemons (who were apparently set for this year), I do not know.

It will certainly be interesting over the next few months if things are as packed as we have been hearing.

Stickmonkey wrote:Land speeder storm was also in the FA slot, according to sources.

No mention of excessive plasma-ness in this round.

Phil did say that. However, there has also been much debate over getting appropriate xenos fortifications into the mix. They have eldar, ork and tyranid terrain just waiting to be produced that I know of. Maybe next summer will be summer of fortifications.
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Standard DT are there, Rhino, razorback, and DP. I have conflicting rumors the LR is in as a DT for Terminators.

Also in discussions at GD, the StormTalon is to remain a Codex Space Marines only vehicle.

Earlier rumor was mixed squad remained, however, cyclones could only be taken on SB marines. I haven't heard any more on this, that was a while ago, it really could go either way. I wouldn't build any more or tear apart those you have just yet.

I have heard, but have very little to back this up that the company master for DA in TA will be a single plastic character blister. It will include some options for loadout but not all, but will be blinged out like the DV termies.
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Its bigger than the StormTalon, but the fuselage has a landspeeder style to it. I took it to mean squarish. The wings are supposedly fanned forward like an Aquila. And others have mentioned it would not take much to make this look like the chapter symbol, but I haven't heard anything on this.
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From what I have heard there is a death wing upgrade character, a tactical upgrade character, a ravenwing upgrade character, and a scout upgrade character, namaan being one of these.

More to add to the tracker.

Changed the title since there's less naftka and more stickmonkey.

Could someone explain why GW would choose to, IF the rumors are true, make Belial irrelevant and then give him a new model? It doesn't make sense to me. Termies as troops without him fielded would be interesting if true. However, why do that then make a model for him? I know the rumor has it as him unlocking TA options for Command Squad, but I guess being new I don't really see how spending the extra points for a CS to wear TA is not wasteful? Unless its free...but that's not gonna happen lol. If someone would be kind enough to shed some light on the subject for me that would be great.

You're asking for justification for a rumored change? Yeah... We can hardly get justification for real changes. Why don't we wait for the codex before demanding satisfaction?

 pretre wrote:
You're asking for justification for a rumored change? Yeah... We can hardly get justification for real changes. Why don't we wait for the codex before demanding satisfaction?

No, I'm asking for clarification on a tactic. Would it be worth the points to put TA on a Command Squad? If so, why? If not, why?

PS. I can't get no satisfaction. lol

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:
As an aspiring DA player, I really hope this Codex: Dark Angels stands them apart from the rest in a unique way. The way BA and SW codex's did for them. New rules for "Get's Hot" would be great. My first game with the Dark Vengeance set was a disaster lol. I lost SM Sergent, PC, AND PG to "Get's Hot" within two rounds of shooting.

You are aware that you get your armour saves right?

I'm just asking because that seems staggeringly unlucky, I think in all of my 40k career Ive only lost 2 or 3 guys to gets hot. If your unlucky enough to roll a 1, you dont usually follow it up with a 1 or a 2! And when I very first started playing I remember thinking a gets hot roll was at ap2.

/facepalm ... I probably wasn't paying attention. I am new sooooo... But HEY I won my first game last night against some Chaos and he was rocking a Daemon Prince with flying and marks. Shot him out of the sky and grounded his butt. LUCKY rolls I have to say. He failed his cover save from Dive too. He saved against the wound from falling though. Also not a single failed Gets Hot! lol.

Haha.. congrats on your mighty victory!

Its a common mistake, I remember thinking it sounded stupid when I thought it was at ap2, but then I thought about it... getting a burn from a vent on an over heating plasma gun isn't going to be half as bad as getting blasted in the face with the business end of a plasma gun right?

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:
Could someone explain why GW would choose to, IF the rumors are true, make Belial irrelevant and then give him a new model? It doesn't make sense to me. Termies as troops without him fielded would be interesting if true. However, why do that then make a model for him? I know the rumor has it as him unlocking TA options for Command Squad, but I guess being new I don't really see how spending the extra points for a CS to wear TA is not wasteful? Unless its free...but that's not gonna happen lol. If someone would be kind enough to shed some light on the subject for me that would be great.

As far as making him a new model goes.... New models are always welcome here. You can piece his kit out to doll up your other termies or he might be cool in his own right. Hell you might even want to use him as Belial. I never had a problem using him as an HQ in my DW armies, he's a cheap HQ and he gets the job done. I can spend the other points elsewhere. They may even go the route where they give him some cool new rules or give him extravagant wargear, which would also make him useful (more useful that is).

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:
Could someone explain why GW would choose to, IF the rumors are true, make Belial irrelevant and then give him a new model? It doesn't make sense to me.

The problem is that you're basing your question on the *current* codex and rules. Belial currently is pointless except for his termies as troops ability as he is otherwise a very lackluster captain with NO iron halo inexplicably whose only options are choosing from 3 sets of weapons (which any vanilla captain can do as well). If they make termie troops standard and invalidate that reason for taking Belial, they'd likely give him some other type of special rules to entice people to use and (more importantly) buy the figure.

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:
Could someone explain why GW would choose to, IF the rumors are true, make Belial irrelevant and then give him a new model? It doesn't make sense to me. Termies as troops without him fielded would be interesting if true. However, why do that then make a model for him? I know the rumor has it as him unlocking TA options for Command Squad, but I guess being new I don't really see how spending the extra points for a CS to wear TA is not wasteful? Unless its free...but that's not gonna happen lol. If someone would be kind enough to shed some light on the subject for me that would be great.

Because he might change in the new codex.

Hell, they may be decoupling him from DW-as-troops so they can turn him in to a special character rather than a named character with all the personality of white bread. Right now, the sole reason for taking Belial is that his TH/SS version is cheap as chips compared to a vanilla SM captain with the same loadout and he allows for DW armies. My guess is that the rumours that he is going to be limited to one loadout, along with Masters getting access to TDA, mean that he will be getting an upgrade to something that could go toe to toe with Ghazkul. If he isn't going to be a hyper-efficient but bland choice, then it makes sense for GW to make him a bit of a combat monster. Dark Angels need a combat monster character as most every one of their characters qualifies as a bland but sometimes effective support unit. It is good to have a few of those, but having a big centerpiece beatstick would be nice.

For people who want a low-cost alternative for DW armies they will hopefully be able to run a Master to represent a more generic MotDW (with the upshot that all of us with TDA-equipped master who aren't the MotDW will be able to use them again!).

I think making RW and DW squads troops allows for a lot more variety out of our lists and I hope that bit turns out to be true (and it seems plausible since GW have really been making sure to load up on standard troop options without needing to take pre-req characters). This allows them to make Sammael and Belial special characters without making them an army tax for people who field DW or RW armies. So for people who like using named characters (or using their rules) they can still do that and actually have something that adds an interesting angle to the army (hopefully) and for those that don't, it gives them the freedom to ignore the named characters and take their own with precise customization.

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:
Could someone explain why GW would choose to, IF the rumors are true, make Belial irrelevant and then give him a new model? It doesn't make sense to me. Termies as troops without him fielded would be interesting if true. However, why do that then make a model for him? I know the rumor has it as him unlocking TA options for Command Squad, but I guess being new I don't really see how spending the extra points for a CS to wear TA is not wasteful? Unless its free...but that's not gonna happen lol. If someone would be kind enough to shed some light on the subject for me that would be great.

Reasons why you might use Belial if DW were troops without him:

1) You like the character
2) The sculpt is awesome
3) The rules for him are awesome
4) You want and all terminator force
5) All of the above.

I'm curious about the design of the new flyer. When they say they wings are shaped like the Aquila, do they mean there is another ship called the Aquila, or are they just referring to the Imperial symbol?

I know everyone's gonna find it odd, but I hope Belial has a Storm Bolter and the Sword of Silence in the new Dex. I really like my Belial conversion...

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

I would not be surprised at all if Belial allows you to take "upgraded" Deathwing squads.