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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Too soon for the SW and GK since they've not been out for that long. Maybe next year lol.

Tell that to Imperial Knights. I am not saying they would actually do it, but then again, GW.

Pfft. Too soon for Blood Angels, since it has barely been half a year

The problem, of course, is that now that we're all on the Gladius track, too soon can't come soon enough.

And a parking lot would fit the size of the game very well, because a standard battle takes place on a field of about 80 by 100 meters, which is something between a small and a big parking lot.

Who here honestly thinks this is going to be the ultimate winning formation in this book? I don't think it will be. There are too many other things that are powerful as well that will work the same or better.

In addition there reaches a point where you would rather take something else, even if it gives up the free transport. Depending on centurions prices and kit outs I am considering taking one of those instead. I want to try a large unit of heavy bolter cents with tiggy for the rending warlord trait. It could be interesting just having that many shots.

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A prediction. You will almost never see this formation on the table.

Why ? Your average shop/club player isn't going to be able to put 10+ hulls down on the table.

Your not going to see if from tournament players either who would put down the money for this. Why ? Eldar Jetbikes/Warp Spiders shoot Razorbacks off the table, and in return the Space Marine formation doesn't put out that much damage

I've been running 9 pods with almost 80 marines for a while now, and done well with them. Started using them in 6th. They are fun to play and very effective. Razorbacks are also pretty good if used correctly.

I feel better now that I just put together 8 rhino chassis last week.

The real question is do I keep using full company...or switch to a Cad/Allied detachment with Sternguard, bolter drill and finally finish my Deathwatch army.....


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If a Demi company gets 1 use of a battle doctrine, does the full company, since its two demi companies, get the use of 2 doctrines????

Yeah I can't see myself rushing out to buy a load of Razorback kits, I've enjoyed building theone I have, and I have an old second edition one that needs restoring. Will likely just get a couple of Dev sets, and some more tactical marines to fill out some of the gals in my infantry, and maybe get one more razorback and a couple of pods.

As someone who's in it mainly for the modelling and the hobby right now, I just want a nice variety of cool stuff to build and paint that I can then play pick up games with.

 Leth wrote:
Who here honestly thinks this is going to be the ultimate winning formation in this book? I don't think it will be. There are too many other things that are powerful as well that will work the same or better.

In addition there reaches a point where you would rather take something else, even if it gives up the free transport. Depending on centurions prices and kit outs I am considering taking one of those instead. I want to try a large unit of heavy bolter cents with tiggy for the rending warlord trait. It could be interesting just having that many shots.

Depends on mission type. ITC tournament missions that are very objective based, including maelstrom? Having 2 IC's, 50 marines, and 10 razors with a touch less than half your points is pretty glorious. That gives plenty of room to start a detachment that has something actually threatening, like a centstar or some white scar bikers. If it's true that you can take two full companies with no auxiliaries, then that's FORTY UNITS in 1850! My msu spam BA list only gets to 25! That's a lot of units to have to chew through.

In a random eternal war mission? Not as good. Insta-loss for purge the alien, and better the more objectives there are.

A significant factor is: does anyone actually want to BUY 20 razorbacks just to have a good tourney army for a couple years. The formation isn't exactly "future-proof." It may up and vanish next codex, and then you have a bunch of razorbacks gathering dust.

Bartali wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
Okay so in an 1850 list, SM armies can get actually TWENTY free tanks, correct? Even just ten free tanks is completely ridiculous. For one, every single SM player is going to use a 10-tank Razorback screen from now on, giving a cover save to the rest of their army. There aren't enough turns in the game to counter it.

WIth 10-20 free tanks they don't even need a shooting phase, they can just roll onto all the objectives and there's basically nothing anyone can do.

Welcome to the age of spam and cookie cutter armies. If you thought it was bad before, you had no idea.

A prediction. You will almost never see this formation on the table.

Why ? Your average shop/club player isn't going to be able to put 10+ hulls down on the table.

Your not going to see if from tournament players either who would put down the money for this. Why ? Eldar Jetbikes/Warp Spiders shoot Razorbacks off the table, and in return the Space Marine formation doesn't put out that much damage.

Every SM player I know owns more than 10 vehicles. Most own 5 vehicles just in drop pods.

The formation doesn't put out much damage? Ten TL Heavy Bolters is nothing to laugh at when you play something like Dark Eldar, Orks, Tyrannids, etc. But let's put that aside.... 10 free Razorbacks.... invest 200 points and you get ten TL Lascannons and now everything in the game dies to it.

That's completely ridiculous. This formation is incredibly stupidly broken.

Honestly too much of the game is still dependent on who goes first. No amount of formation shenanigans is going to change that. 40k will remain shackled to who goes first until we change the turn sequence to alternating phases.

niv-mizzet wrote:

A significant factor is: does anyone actually want to BUY 20 razorbacks just to have a good tourney army for a couple years. The formation isn't exactly "future-proof." It may up and vanish next codex, and then you have a bunch of razorbacks gathering dust.

That's the entire point of the formation.

 SickSix wrote:
Honestly too much of the game is still dependent on who goes first. No amount of formation shenanigans is going to change that. 40k will remain shackled to who goes first until we change the turn sequence to alternating phases.

Agreed, it's something which you can point at which none of the other most popular systems share. Neither X Wng, Infinity or Warmahordes allow a player to do what they like without sanction.

With that in mind..

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y6n5vl6pxt0ja95/40k%20fixed.rtf?dl=0

Feel free to check out my humble efforts. This is a pre play test version with some work to do, but it should be playable, rule of thumb is if there isn't a change specified, stick to the BRB. Highly recommended to be used in conjunction with Zagman's balanced Codexes down in the Prop Rules forum.

from Adeptus Astartes on facebook, what looks like a release list for the next couple of weeks

When is that new Terminator Captain coming out?????

General Hobbs wrote:


When is that new Terminator Captain coming out?????

What new Terminator Captain? You mean the one that came exclusively with Strike Force Ultra? It came out a year and a half ago. It has not been made available since. GW are douches for using it in examples when it is impossible to buy.

I DO own Space Marine vehicles.
The problem is that they are spread out among several chapters.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


When is that new Terminator Captain coming out?????

What new Terminator Captain? You mean the one that came exclusively with Strike Force Ultra? It came out a year and a half ago. It has not been made available since. GW are douches for using it in examples when it is impossible to buy.

Well damn, I did not know that.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


When is that new Terminator Captain coming out?????

What new Terminator Captain? You mean the one that came exclusively with Strike Force Ultra? It came out a year and a half ago. It has not been made available since. GW are douches for using it in examples when it is impossible to buy.

Except they haven't been using anything that is either A) not buildable out of their sets or B) not available off their shelves.

The phrasing on the Terminator Captain in Strike Force Ultra was that it was initially exclusive to that set, so there is a very real possibility it will be made available.

THIS is my favorite terminator captain. Such a baller.

The free Razorbacks formation makes my Iron Hands very happy. Though still no special character is kind of disappointing. I feel like I'd rather have had Razorbacks and Dreads (SM armor in general) get noticeable buffs than see a formation give everything free stuff.

But I do look forward to putting down a bunch of TL Assault Cannon Razorbacks, enough to even throw some TL LC ones down in the backfield.

One post said just rhinos/pods/razorbacks were free but another said "dedicated transports"... Do centurions in the formation get free Land Raiders or not?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


When is that new Terminator Captain coming out?????

What new Terminator Captain? You mean the one that came exclusively with Strike Force Ultra? It came out a year and a half ago. It has not been made available since. GW are douches for using it in examples when it is impossible to buy.

Except they haven't been using anything that is either A) not buildable out of their sets or B) not available off their shelves.

The phrasing on the Terminator Captain in Strike Force Ultra was that it was initially exclusive to that set, so there is a very real possibility it will be made available.

Initially exclusive, and still currently unavailable.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


When is that new Terminator Captain coming out?????

What new Terminator Captain? You mean the one that came exclusively with Strike Force Ultra? It came out a year and a half ago. It has not been made available since. GW are douches for using it in examples when it is impossible to buy.

Except they haven't been using anything that is either A) not buildable out of their sets or B) not available off their shelves.

The phrasing on the Terminator Captain in Strike Force Ultra was that it was initially exclusive to that set, so there is a very real possibility it will be made available.

Initially exclusive, and still currently unavailable.

Who's to say for how much longer?

The listing that went up today is interesting because it doesn't have the Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain listed--despite the two having been shown in leaks at the same time. It leads me to think that we still have at least an additional week of Marine releases.

well, I have to say I called the free transport upgrade last month when discussing new marine formations. My only stipulation was that it had to be full sized squads.

 Kanluwen wrote:


The listing that went up today is interesting because it doesn't have the Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain listed--despite the two having been shown in leaks at the same time. It leads me to think that we still have at least an additional week of Marine releases.

The codex has typically been made available on the penultimate week of a release cycle, so that people picking it up don't get any spoilers too far ahead. That means any more vanilla marine releases are unlikely.

The most likely scenario is:
Jun 12th: SM Librarian pre-order
Jun 19th: DA Chaplain + codex pre-order
Jun 26th: Follow-up DA kit or random filler
July 4th: WHFB reboot pre-order

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


When is that new Terminator Captain coming out?????

What new Terminator Captain? You mean the one that came exclusively with Strike Force Ultra? It came out a year and a half ago. It has not been made available since. GW are douches for using it in examples when it is impossible to buy.

Except they haven't been using anything that is either A) not buildable out of their sets or B) not available off their shelves.

The phrasing on the Terminator Captain in Strike Force Ultra was that it was initially exclusive to that set, so there is a very real possibility it will be made available.

Initially exclusive, and still currently unavailable.

Who's to say for how much longer?

The listing that went up today is interesting because it doesn't have the Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain listed--despite the two having been shown in leaks at the same time. It leads me to think that we still have at least an additional week of Marine releases.

I am hoping for a TFC in plastic with a plastic Techmarine more than I am a Terminator Captain. I would be happy if they did release him, though.

 xttz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


The listing that went up today is interesting because it doesn't have the Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain listed--despite the two having been shown in leaks at the same time. It leads me to think that we still have at least an additional week of Marine releases.

The codex has typically been made available on the penultimate week of a release cycle, so that people picking it up don't get any spoilers too far ahead. That means any more vanilla marine releases are unlikely.

The most likely scenario is:
Jun 12th: SM Librarian pre-order
Jun 19th: DA Chaplain + codex pre-order
Jun 26th: Follow-up DA kit or random filler
July 4th: WHFB reboot pre-order

And yet, the promo pictures of the Librarian actually had him with Ultramarine iconography on his pauldrons and tabard with the inset photos having Dark Angels' iconography.

The listing also has him listed as "Space Marine Terminator Librarian" in the same timeframe as an Ultramarines painting book. If it were a Dark Angels release, it would say "Dark Angels Terminator Librarian" just like we saw with the Blood Angels one.

jSewell wrote:
The free Razorbacks formation makes my Iron Hands very happy. Though still no special character is kind of disappointing. I feel like I'd rather have had Razorbacks and Dreads (SM armor in general) get noticeable buffs than see a formation give everything free stuff.

But I do look forward to putting down a bunch of TL Assault Cannon Razorbacks, enough to even throw some TL LC ones down in the backfield.

One post said just rhinos/pods/razorbacks were free but another said "dedicated transports"... Do centurions in the formation get free Land Raiders or not?

Just base Rhinos, Razorbacks and Drop Pods as Ded Trans.

 xttz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


The listing that went up today is interesting because it doesn't have the Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain listed--despite the two having been shown in leaks at the same time. It leads me to think that we still have at least an additional week of Marine releases.

The codex has typically been made available on the penultimate week of a release cycle, so that people picking it up don't get any spoilers too far ahead. That means any more vanilla marine releases are unlikely.

The most likely scenario is:
Jun 12th: SM Librarian pre-order
Jun 19th: DA Chaplain + codex pre-order
Jun 26th: Follow-up DA kit or random filler
July 4th: WHFB reboot pre-order

Yeah, but it's hard to spoil a model coming out that's already been previously available. My guess is that it will be released about two years after Strike Force Ultra came out, or during a time with no marine releases, which ever one comes sooner.

As for those talking about the 20 free vehicles, who is going to run that?

That's
2xCaptain
2xChaplain
12 x 5 Tacs
4 x 5 Assault
4 x 5 Dev
No upgrades for 1760. 90 Points isn't going to get you much of anything for those squads. Less than 1 special weapon a piece and all your free razorbacks are heavy bolters. I guess you could take 9 meltaguns, but still you'd get wtf pwned by most things.


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I'd much rather run 2 demis (880) plus upgrades.

Free Razorbacks whatnow? Can someone say what page this all got started?

Apologies if it's been mentioned before but in the background of this picture,could it be.......a plastic thunderhawk?!?!

The thing in the background is a Stormraven...