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 pretre wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I was holding out hope against hope that somehow they updated the jetbikes but we just hadn't seen pics... WD now confirmed as old jetbikes...MT is sad.

Yeah, that one was a big miss. Especially with all of the opportunities for Jetseers or a 'farseer conversion kit'.

Guess I'll still try to pick up DE bikes. :(

The primary goal is getting all codices to 6th edition, and giving everybody a little something new. The play styles and army lists for each faction have changed ever so slightly, so some people are just going to have to learn to play with new stuff. You would have been spending money either way.

Besides, at the current release clip, all armies will have the hardback treatment in less than 18 months. With the plans to make 6th edition last a while, what else do you think they will release besides the occasional supplement? Updates to old models, of course. The codex launch isn't really built for lots of old model updates. It's to give veteran and new players something shiny. If all they would have gotten were updates to old models, there would have been just as many complaints (probably more) of not getting anything new to compete with the giant monsters and flyers the other armies are getting.

The updated Wraithguard are super sweet, by the way. Also love Illiac's model. That's a painter's delight, for sure.

 brassangel wrote:
If all Eldar would have gotten were updates to old models, there would have been just as many complaints (probably more) of not getting anything new to compete with the giants monsters and flyers the other armies are getting.

To be fair, there would have been complaints if GW sent Kirby out to give handies and a check for $50 to every eldar player that bought the Codex...

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 Red Corsair wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
Possibly they can't even put out a jetseer/jetlock because those are kits made by Chapterhouse Studio's already. Lawsuit pending of course.

GW could give CH a kick in the nuts and remove these options from the Codex.

This has actually been my prediction, the bike council never really existed until last codex. Before that it was the Ulthwe triple seer council that was the flavor of the month and Oh look, hey, it vanished. I bet bike councils vanish as well. Heck my archon can't ride a bike any more lol I would not be surprised in the slightest.

Hasn't Fortune Seer Council existed since 3rd edition?

The reason I say 2013 is because in Oct 2012 we didn't have any new codices out for 6th Edition.

It has. Codex Craftworld Eldar introduced it. Really hoping they give guardians the option to be Black Guardians again (WS 4 for Storm squads and BS 4 for Defenders).


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 whigwam wrote:

JB_Man wrote:You want Eldrad or Maugan Ra to accept a challenge from a terminator sergeant and eat a S8 Powerfist? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Considering Ra is an EW who will most likely kill the Pfist before it swings..? Yeah, I'll accept.

Or, like Gavin said, use the throw-away Spiritseer.

According to the rumors, most of the Phoenix Lords are losing EW.

I think some frustration derives from a reboxed unit implying it won't be updated for a long time. GW is all about minimizing expenses (see SG), and going through the logistical modifications for reboxed units; changing box production in China, changing warehousing and so on wouldn't make much sense if they're going to replace them in the near future. Same deal with Crisis suits for Tau; they could certainly use a revamp, but in their new reboxed form, yes, they're a touch cheaper, which is nice and unusual for GW, but they won't be updated for a long, long time.

I'd also imagine the DA change is going to annoy a lot of new Eldar players. Yes, GK squads are $35 for 5, but they can be turned into, what, 3 different kinds of units with a panopoly of wargear and customization options? I used the one box I got to make an Honour Guard, tweak Sternguard, replace the resin wobbly blades of my Vanguard, and add various bits to normal marines, with enough stuff to spare to give some more customization bits to a BA players. The Dire Avenger box will just be 5 dire avengers and some bits to make an Exarch. In terms of value, it's a lot lower; the individual units are cheaper in points and you need more of them to be effective than GK squads, and you can't turn them into anything but Dire Avengers. When so many aspects could benefit from being cheaper, more modular plastic, killing the one value purchase there was for a utilitarian unit undoubtedly stings.

Haven't seen this posted yet, So a little size comparison. The wraith knight isn't that far off Revenant titan size.

I was holding out hope against hope that somehow they updated the jetbikes but we just hadn't seen pics... WD now confirmed as old jetbikes...MT is sad.

Your avatar in this case is fitting...LOL.

Nice pic. The Riptide is rather small against the Wraithknight but the Revenant being twice as tall.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
From advanced order mail sent mistakenly soon in my country (advanced order link leads to a blank page) :

It says : " So tall that it barely fits on the website. "

Obviously meant as a joke, but ironically summarizes GW's understanding of the web...

T

Now that we are pretty sure that the Wraigthknight is a MC , the both makes me happy and worries me.

This addition seems to have seen the fall of a lot of vehicles and the rise of the MC. Which is cool, but makes me sad since I really like my Ork dredds and Kans which at this point are just about useless.

I really hope that the Orks get a MC and not some big stompy walker. I think the model will be cool, but the way vehicles get dropped in this addition would make me not want a armored unit as my BIG ork model. Although I really want a big Stompy Dredd. I own a stompa already but have never actually played a game with it.

I am curious if you will still need 10 WG to make it a troops choce or will 5 and a spirit seer be the minimum.

Everybody's talking about Iyanden and the Wraithknight.
Eldar needs to get the vehicles fixed. Serpents and Falcons are too expensive. Holofields are next to useless.

timd wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
From advanced order mail sent mistakenly soon in my country (advanced order link leads to a blank page) :

It says : " So tall that it barely fits on the website. "

Obviously meant as a joke, but ironically summarizes GW's understanding of the web...

T

so true !

Strange double post...


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 wuestenfux wrote:
Everybody's talking about Iyanden and the Wraithknight.
Eldar needs to get the vehicles fixed. Serpents and Falcons are too expensive. Holofields are next to useless.

Even if the point cost is decreased and the holofields become cool, it will not fix Eldar vehicles. The fundamental nerfs to Eldar skimmers comes from 6th edition. Not being able to disembark when moving over 6", not scoring from within vehicles, and vehicles being shreded in CC regardless of movement distance are all 6th ed changes not codex level changes. It would require a pile of specialty rules to reverse that damage and I'd bet a heap of money that GW didn't give two flips about mech Eldar with this update.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Everybody's talking about Iyanden and the Wraithknight.
Eldar needs to get the vehicles fixed. Serpents and Falcons are too expensive. Holofields are next to useless.

Everyone needs their vehicles fixed. Being glanced to death by weapons that cant even pen the vehicles armor is the one thing about the rules I hate.

I wish they would have removed glancing all together. Keep the penetration table and hull points. After so may pens the vehicle is a wreck, since you loose a HP after each pen. So a Vehicle can take X number of pens or just one with a good pen roll.

And just given gauss the rule on a 6 to pen remove a hull point so they would stay the same.

 whigwam wrote:

JB_Man wrote:We're just going to have to disagree about the outcome, here. One thing that cannot be argued is that you've likely got close to half of your army tied up in one relatively small squad. I'm not saying it's a bad squad, it's just not the secret game-winner that no one is clever enough to run. There's a reason you don't see it that often.

Taking half of an army's worth of points never stopped people from running a Draigowing. I've given several reasons why I think the unit's not often seen... But yeah, we should drop this as we're pretty far OT.

Back on-T, I'm really in disbelief that we're getting an Iyanden supplement while there's no sign of anything expanding CSM. I love Iyanden's fluff, the Wraith concept, etc. but I just can't believe there would be more demand for this than a supplement expanding Traitor Legions, Renegades, etc. I'm happy for Eldar, but for me, this really underlines what a missed opportunity the CSM update was.

Although if it's only fluff, scenarios and some craftworld environment type rules, will you be upset about the lack of the same for CSMs?

timd wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
From advanced order mail sent mistakenly soon in my country (advanced order link leads to a blank page) :

It says : " So tall that it barely fits on the website. "

Obviously meant as a joke, but ironically summarizes what i believe is GW's understanding of the web...

T

Fixed that for you.

 BlueDagger wrote:
Strange double post...


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 wuestenfux wrote:
Everybody's talking about Iyanden and the Wraithknight.
Eldar needs to get the vehicles fixed. Serpents and Falcons are too expensive. Holofields are next to useless.

Even if the point cost is decreased and the holofields become cool, it will not fix Eldar vehicles. The fundamental nerfs to Eldar skimmers comes from 6th edition. Not being able to disembark when moving over 6", not scoring from within vehicles, and vehicles being shreded in CC regardless of movement distance are all 6th ed changes not codex level changes. It would require a pile of specialty rules to reverse that damage and I'd bet a heap of money that GW didn't give two flips about mech Eldar with this update.

This could be exactly the reason why I would keep my Eldar shelved. The issues emerging from the new rule set are so big that it makes Eldar almost unplayed in a competitive setting.

New hints, take it with a grain of salt of course, this is from Raziel on 4chan :



greetings guys. i got a information sheet in my hands that all GW stores have been send to.

it contains "reasons to buy the new eldar releases"

the points are :
Codex Eldar :
- craftworld ships will be introduced
- new special rules for many eldar units. old nemesis (slaanesh) and battle trance (running and shooting)
-multiple exarch abilitys, options and equipment

Wraithknight (heavy support 240 points)
-Strong Profile (s10 T8 W6 AS 3+, Jumppack
- 2 heavy phantom lasers (23" S10 AP 2 instant death on wound rolls of 6)
- alternative equipment possible - for example close combat weapons with a 5+ invul and blind special rule or a S6 5" Blast with ap 2. with 5+ invul and blind special rule.

Somach Phantomhunter (may be spelled wrongly my pic is a bit blurry there) (fast attack 185 points)
-psyker with the terrify psychic power
- 2 blast weapons with ap 2
- enemy units within 12" have to reroll succesful ld tests.

crimson hunters (fast attack 160 points)
- aspect warriors with strong exarch upgrades
- may reroll armor pen rolls against flyers
-vector dancer

wraithguard /wraithblades (elite 160 points 5 models):
- strong profile with S5 T 6 as 3+
-wraithblades got 2 close combat weapons with ap 3 and +1 S or can get a 4+ invul with a single ap 2 weapon
-runeseer can mark targets, every wraith unit can reroll missed to hit rolls of 1 against marked targets.
-if you select a runeseer as HQ, they become troops

ilic nightspear (hq 140 points):
-alaitoc charactermodel that allows ranger units the pathfinder upgrade.
- has 9 special rules - one of them allows ranger units to infiltrate without the range restrictions to enemy units.
- bs 9 48" Sx ap 2 instant death on wound rolls of 6


Plus :


Raziel 05/23/13(Thu)12:02 No.24994003

other new releases for eldar : phantomseer, runeprophet and cards for psychic powers.:
- 3 different kinds of psykers (seer council, phantomseer, runeprophet)
-divination, telepathy and 2 own psychic disciplines: runes of battle and runes of fate (for rune prophet and runeseer)
- runes of battle have always 2 effects, for example granting shrouded or taking shrouded off the enemy unit.
-runes of fate : 4 warpcharges, 2 powers, very strong and offensive

that is all that is posted on the letter the GW stores had been send too. hope it gives some insight.

Codex Eldar :
- craftworld ships will be introduced
- new special rules for many eldar units. old nemesis (slaanesh) and battle trance (running and shooting)
-multiple exarch abilitys, options and equipment

Let's wait and see. Slaanesh should be preferred enemy.

Wraithknight (heavy support 240 points)
-Strong Profile (s10 T8 W6 AS 3+, Jumppack
- 2 heavy phantom lasers (23" S10 AP 2 instant death on wound rolls of 6)
- alternative equipment possible - for example close combat weapons with a 5+ invul and blind special rule or a S6 5" Blast with ap 2. with 5+ invul and blind special rule.

Jump pack, a fast moving killing machine.

Somach Phantomhunter (may be spelled wrongly my pic is a bit blurry there) (fast attack 185 points)
-psyker with the terrify psychic power
- 2 blast weapons with ap 2
- enemy units within 12" have to reroll succesful ld tests.

crimson hunters (fast attack 160 points)
- aspect warriors with strong exarch upgrades
- may reroll armor pen rolls against flyers
-vector dancer

New fast attack units? Not really needed.

wraithguard /wraithblades (elite 160 points 5 models):
- strong profile with S5 T 6 as 3+
-wraithblades got 2 close combat weapons with ap 3 and +1 S or can get a 4+ invul with a single ap 2 weapon
-runeseer can mark targets, every wraith unit can reroll missed to hit rolls of 1 against marked targets.
-if you select a runeseer as HQ, they become troops

They get a bit cheaper by 3 pts each. Even with a 4+ inv save they are not that useful.

ilic nightspear (hq 140 points):
-alaitoc charactermodel that allows ranger units the pathfinder upgrade.
- has 9 special rules - one of them allows ranger units to infiltrate without the range restrictions to enemy units.
- bs 9 48" Sx ap 2 instant death on wound rolls of 6

Where is the disruption table?

UltraPrime wrote:

timd wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
From advanced order mail sent mistakenly soon in my country (advanced order link leads to a blank page) :

It says : " So tall that it barely fits on the website. "

Obviously meant as a joke, but ironically summarizes what i believe is GW's understanding of the web...

T

Fixed that for you.

Fix would work if was was just me that thought that, but the feeling is pretty common and very obvious. See the Facebook debacle.

Here are some rules for the new Eldar I heard today, enjoy

Wraithknight:

Monstrous creature, has a Jump pack, 3+ Save with option for 5++, S10, T8, 6 wounds, the wraithlances are S10 AP 2, 24", can have Scatterlaser or Starcannons on the shoulders

Illic Nightspear:

HQ, has a truckload of special rules(I think it was 9 in total), seems to be required to upgrade the Eldar scouts(English name escapes me at the moment, sorry), a unit of scouts he is joined to ignore the LoS restrictions for Infiltration, his rifle has 48" range, AP 2, ID on a to wound-roll of 6

Iyanden-Book:

print version will be available as well(direct only, and also English only like DftS), will contain extra psychic powers and warlord traits for Iyanden armies, the Iyanden army however can be built directly from C:Eldar, Limited Edition will also be available for this book

Flyers:

The fighter can reroll pens against other flyers and has Vector Dancer, I am not sure about weaponry, but has at least two S8 lances

Digital Products:

Here is one of the most interesting tidbits I heard today, the psychic cards sets will be available to download for Android, hopefully a sign of Codex releases for Android as well

 Malthor wrote:
Here are some rules for the new Eldar I heard today, enjoy

You mean that thing that has been posted twice on the last two pages?

 wuestenfux wrote:

crimson hunters (fast attack 160 points)
- aspect warriors with strong exarch upgrades
- may reroll armor pen rolls against flyers
- vector dancer

New fast attack units? Not really needed.

I think this is the flyer, right ? A previous info was that the new aircraft would be called crimson hunter with an exarch upgrade.
Consistent with vector dancer, which is a flyer skill IIRC.

Yes, both of the FA listed there are flyers. bomber is a psyker and the other is a aspect.

Re: bikes : Eh. How much can you really change outside of a redesign? I don't even think its a bundling value, its 3 bikes for the cost of.... three bikes. no?

Did you have to quote all of those posts to post 2 lines of response?

I'm starting to get happy for Illic.

That is not happy for my wallet.

A few things I was able to make out of the codex example pages in the white dwarf : a 120" range sniper rifle (that is either AP 3 or 5, really can't tell), a phenix-kind of item (when the character should be removed as a casualty, on a 2+ put a large blast that causes S4 aP5 hits. If it causes at least a wound (unsaved) the character stays alive with a wound (one use only). Also a piece of equipment that's probably for jetbikers only : allows you to sprint 48" , prohibiting you to do anything else that turn (as normal?) but allowing you to reroll failed cover saves. That one could work with the Laughing God mantle thingy.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm starting to get happy for Illic.

That is not happy for my wallet.

Not sure how to squeeze all these expensive units, Wraithknight and flyers, into a smaller Eldar army (1500 to 1750 pts).

@Resipsa About the bikes ,in euros at least you do get a slight "saving" compared to buying 3 separate jetbikes. Can't speak for other currencies...

 pretre wrote:
Did you have to quote all of those posts to post 2 lines of response?

Seconded! I was looking for some witty responses within, but alas...