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I am starting a new Chapter, this time based around the Space Wolfs.

I cannot stand painting any models GM colours, so after several attempts I settled on this-----
Red Core - Armour
Desert Yellow - Shoulder Trim, lower Helmet and Back Pack Crown
Gold - Trim, Eagle etc

Blood Ravens!

J/K I like it

Nah, thats not blood raven, its THE INVINCIBLE IRONMAN!

I like the colours! and even if its red gore its nice to se someone not usig the new BA codex.

I like it, the matte gold/yellow looks good withe the red.

Are you going to add anything in tribute to there founding chapter? or are they compleatly diffrent but just based/founded by the Space Wolves

Its nice to see somebody do something different with the space wolves

There's no way I'd do BA.

Their bases on the Space Wolf's, still working on the history, and make up etc, but I do know they're a little beat up

I'm undecided if their renegade , if so they’ve just gone renegade so for one thing I'm sure, I will not use Chaos figures

Just for starters here's a Dreadnought, this was once a Chaos Dread, a hammer, knife and filler .....sorted..

May just continue in the P & M Blog.... what do you think

Are there gonna be werewolves running around in this army? would be awesomesauce.

Its a complete opposite colour scheme to space wolves, which is why i think it works so well.

good work

Looking good Rob!

I really like the concept, looking forward to seeing them tomorrow! (and stomping all over them with my big pink boot)

Seriously though, as usual stunning work!

Doesn't look like anything a Space Wolf would color themselves as.... but that's just one man's opinion. Definitely a Blood Ravens color scheme or possibly a Blood Angels color scheme. If you brought them to table and said "Space Wolves" I would reply "no, those are definitely Blood Ravens. NO BROKEN CODEX FOR YOU!!!"

Skinnattittar wrote:If you brought them to table and said "Space Wolves" I would reply "no, those are definitely Blood Ravens. NO BROKEN CODEX FOR YOU!!!"

No I'd call them "Sons of the Lycan", which may use Space Wolf rules - not my style to use Codex colours.

Complete badassery is what springs to mind. I love the colours, they are very unique and I think they suit the army well. I'd like to hear the fluff on these guys sometime!

ditto
though not as convinced by SW derivatives in red but that is purely a personal take.

Just remember that unlike orks it won't make them go faster

am doing something similar so looking forward to seeing the Wolfsborn develop

Harms66 wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:If you brought them to table and said "Space Wolves" I would reply "no, those are definitely Blood Ravens. NO BROKEN CODEX FOR YOU!!!"

No I'd call them "Sons of the Lycan", which may use Space Wolf rules - not my style to use Codex colours.

I never said you had to. But you are posting for comments, so not all comments are going to be pro. Some people appreciate that with some things in the game, you sort of have to just bite the bullet to get what you want. That is, if you care about the fluff rather than just satisfying other needs. I'm not saying I wouldn't play you, but I would be a bit offended from a fluff standpoint by a Blood Ravens army masquerading as Space Wolves.

Hmm ...ever since there were Space Marines in 40k there have been successor chapters; yes in the Rogue Trader book most of the marine chapters listed were NOT the original legions. Game wise successors have always been encouraged in fact.

I can't believe anyone would dare tell you that they can't get past your color choice. The choice is _yours_ F*** em.

I think your sceme look great.

Gunzhard wrote:

I can't believe anyone would dare tell you that they can't get past your color choice. The choice is _yours_ F*** em.

I can't believe you can't fathom why someone might have their own opinion.

If the answer is "F*** em" anytiem someone disagrees with what someone posts then why post in the first place?

*sigh* ...they can have ANY opinion they want; but if I put my models on the table and someone says, "No (for reasons XYZ, color preference or religious purposes etc)" then yeah - "F*** em".

And without trying to speak for the OP, the guy has clearly already decided on a color scheme - he painted a dreadnought in the colors already. So attacking his color choice (for fluff reasons) is not really going to be nearly as productive as some general tips and suggestions.

Gunzhard wrote:*sigh* ...they can have ANY opinion they want; but if I put my models on the table and someone says, "No (for reasons XYZ, color preference or religious purposes etc)" then yeah - "F*** em".

And without trying to speak for the OP, the guy has clearly already decided on a color scheme - he painted a dreadnought in the colors already. So attacking his color choice (for fluff reasons) is not really going to be nearly as productive as some general tips and suggestions.

Actually, I'm allowed to say anything I want about someone's personal decisions as long as I am not lying or "rude" about it. For example, like saying "feth you," especially if the other person was fairly expressing their opinion on the matter.

Also, the OP says nothing about "tips and suggestions," just, in different words "this is the color scheme I chose. It is not Space Wolves, but I don't care, I just want to play Space Wolves." At least, that is my interpretation.

Nobody HAS to paint their army in the theme that GW set, but there are more dimensions to 40k than just color schemes and codices. Such things like "fluff" and "sportsmanship." 40k is more than just a game, it is a hobby, and that can sometimes mean having to make sacrifices to get the right "feel." An example of that is that when you really want to play a certain Space Marine chapter, but don't like the color scheme, you can paint them a different color. Part of the sacrifice in that is painting them something that would go along with the "fluff" of that chapter. I would not paint a Dark Angels army Ultramarines blue, simply because I liked that color, I would paint them something in line with their fluff, something in dark green or black.

Ok let's back this up a bit... whether in jest or not you said:

If you brought them to table and said "Space Wolves" I would reply "no, those are definitely Blood Ravens. NO BROKEN CODEX FOR YOU!!!"

Someone saying "NO" and having an issue with how I decide to paint my army, and/or the codex I choose to play, is MUCH different than someone just sharing their opinion regarding my color scheme based on their own NARROW vision of GW fluff.

Even the laziest fluff hack can come up with a hundred reasons why THIS particular Space Wolves successor wears red armor.

I'll put it this way. Standing at the edge of the table, looking directly down and at that color scheme, I would, every time, think "Blood Ravens." Never in my mind would "Space Wolves" come up, even if they had the typical Space Wolves regalia, bits of wolves and pelts, etc... Heck, that stuff would even look kind of feather-ish to me before I would think "Space Wolves."

I'm sorry if your heart is broken that someone doesn't agree with you, that color scheme is not at all "Space Wolves" to me.

Skinnattittar wrote:

I'm sorry if your heart is broken that someone doesn't agree with you, that color scheme is not at all "Space Wolves" to me.

Someone needs to learn to read.

It's a SUCCESSOR Chapter.

It's a SUCCESSOR Chapter.

It's a SUCCESSOR Chapter.

It's a SUCCESSOR Chapter.

Do Successor chapters always have the exact same color scheme? No?

Hmm...the Crimson Fists look nothing like the Imperial Fists! Blasphemy! I bet it pisses you off to see those Crimson Fists army in blue when they should be in yellow, just like their original chapter.

Seriously, you need to stop talking.


:edit: Granted, fluffwise Spacewolves successor chapters don't really work but most fluff nowadays really sucks so...

Aww. Vlad beat me to it. :(

Technically, the Space Wolves can't have successor chapters. It was tried once, (in official fluff) with the Wolfbrothers Chapter, which ended badly.

However, it is possible that every once in a while a Great Company is lost. Looking at you color scheme, I think this might be a better path to take. A lost Great Company take to Khorne worship and paint their armor red and Gold/Brass in his honor.

That said, they're your minis and you can paint and call them whatever you want. I'd still play you regardless, but if you told me they were Space Wolves, I'd have to justify it in my own mind somehow.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Do Successor chapters always have the exact same color scheme? No?

Hmm...the Crimson Fists look nothing like the Imperial Fists! Blasphemy! I bet it pisses you off to see those Crimson Fists army in blue when they should be in yellow, just like their original chapter.

Well, if we're going to drag up ancient mythology.... no, Vlad, you have a point, but it is the general exception, not the rule. But in my defense, I did not get to choose how their fluff was written (originally they were two totally unrelated chapters, rather than successor and parent), or in this case, rewritten. But if someone were to come to me asking if their black and white colored Space Marine chapter would do fine counting as a Salamanders Successor chapter, I would suggest they try going with something in the shade of green... despite the fact that both successor chapters (written during the time of such chapters, I believe) are not green.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Seriously, you need to stop talking.

Tsk tsk Did we really need to resort to flaming? I'm not getting heated over this subject, neither should anyone else for that matter....

Vladsimpaler wrote:Granted, fluffwise Spacewolves successor chapters don't really work but most fluff nowadays really sucks so...

I call Grognard! With the exception of the entire Blood Angels codex, most of the fluff has improved over time. I remember even back in 3rd Edition where one could find conflicting information on the same page! Heck, sometimes it was even in the same story!

For me, this isn't a question of whether or not it is permissive and generally "okay" do paint your army whatever and call it whatever, that's perfectly permissive. However if someone does that, I am usually disappointed. If you are going to be creative about it, actually be creative, rather than just boring and say "because" like GW is oft to do. For instance, my Dark Angels have not primary colors, but are a patchwork of cream, crimson, black, and green. Whenever I table them, I am asked pretty quickly "what chapter are those?" to which I reply "Angels the Redeemed," to which I usually get an "oooooh, that makes sense." Why? Well, despite the fact that they are mostly not green, they definitely have a Dark Angles feel about them (pictured here), at least that's the consensus.

What I like to see? Use of current, past, or other successor colors and use of iconic chapter features (robes, furs, markings, etc...).

Skinnattittar wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Do Successor chapters always have the exact same color scheme? No?

Hmm...the Crimson Fists look nothing like the Imperial Fists! Blasphemy! I bet it pisses you off to see those Crimson Fists army in blue when they should be in yellow, just like their original chapter.

Well, if we're going to drag up ancient mythology.... no, Vlad, you have a point, but it is the general exception, not the rule. But in my defense, I did not get to choose how their fluff was written (originally they were two totally unrelated chapters, rather than successor and parent), or in this case, rewritten. But if someone were to come to me asking if their black and white colored Space Marine chapter would do fine counting as a Salamanders Successor chapter, I would suggest they try going with something in the shade of green... despite the fact that both successor chapters (written during the time of such chapters, I believe) are not green.

You can drag up RT fluff anytime you like. I like it more than the new fluff by miles but unfortunately we're arguing about successor chapters and RT fluff doesn't have much (iirc) on them.

And it's really not as much of an exception as you'd think. If someone told you that they had a black and white Space Marine chapter as a successor of the Imperial Fists, would you cry foul?

Heck, what about all of the Ultra-marine successors? None of those have much to do with the Ultramarines in terms of color but still fight a lot like the Ultramarines. For example, the Genesis Chapter. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Genesis_Chapter

Vladsimpaler wrote:Seriously, you need to stop talking.

Tsk tsk Did we really need to resort to flaming? I'm not getting heated over this subject, neither should anyone else for that matter....

It's flaming to tell you to stop talking because you're arguing for the sake of argument?

Vladsimpaler wrote:Granted, fluffwise Spacewolves successor chapters don't really work but most fluff nowadays really sucks so...

I call Grognard! With the exception of the entire Blood Angels codex, most of the fluff has improved over time. I remember even back in 3rd Edition where one could find conflicting information on the same page! Heck, sometimes it was even in the same story!

For me, this isn't a question of whether or not it is permissive and generally "okay" do paint your army whatever and call it whatever, that's perfectly permissive. However if someone does that, I am usually disappointed. If you are going to be creative about it, actually be creative, rather than just boring and say "because" like GW is oft to do. For instance, my Dark Angels have not primary colors, but are a patchwork of cream, crimson, black, and green. Whenever I table them, I am asked pretty quickly "what chapter are those?" to which I reply "Angels the Redeemed," to which I usually get an "oooooh, that makes sense." Why? Well, despite the fact that they are mostly not green, they definitely have a Dark Angles feel about them (pictured here), at least that's the consensus.

What I like to see? Use of current, past, or other successor colors and use of iconic chapter features (robes, furs, markings, etc...).

You forgot an important part of that sentence to bold, Vlad, that whole "and" word. It is kinda important in that one. Putting furs on Fire Warriors does not make Space Wolves.... though painting them the Space Wolves prescribed colors still wouldn't help.

At what point did I say anything about "required?" The OP has one opinion (so do many others), I have another opinion. They want to base their opinion around "because," I like to base mine around quantitative things.

If you're looking for me to say something like "excellent painting skills, you really put some good detail in there," you can consider that done now, because the OP obviously has that skill. But do I believe that those Blood Ravens are Space Wolves? No, I'm sorry, I am just of a different opinion obviously.

Skinnattittar wrote:You forgot an important part of that sentence to bold, Vlad, that whole "and" word. It is kinda important in that one. Putting furs on Fire Warriors does not make Space Wolves.... though painting them the Space Wolves prescribed colors still wouldn't help.

It's because they're NOT Space Wolves. They're a Successor. Sometimes, Successors have different color schemes but fight the same.

At what point did I say anything about "required?" The OP has one opinion (so do many others), I have another opinion. They want to base their opinion around "because," I like to base mine around quantitative things.

Even when I give you examples that prove you wrong? Like the Genesis Chapter?

If you're looking for me to say something like "excellent painting skills, you really put some good detail in there," you can consider that done now, because the OP obviously has that skill. But do I believe that those Blood Ravens are Space Wolves? No, I'm sorry, I am just of a different opinion obviously.

Y'know, having an opinion isn't some super special deflector shield that helps protect your argument. Sure, it's your 'opinion' but at the end of the day your opinion isn't really valid and neither is anecdotal evidence, really.

Vlad, please just stop trying to outwit me. You ignore the meat of my arguments and then claim victory on points I never opposed or tried to stand on. At no point did I say "all successor chapters have the same color scheme as their parent chapters." My opinion is, if you are going to "create" a successor chapter, you should probably have a bit more than a few scraps of fur keeping you in common with the parent chapter.

Space Wolves are an especially poor choice to have a successor chapter, as they have a grand total of 0 successor chapters, and their organization style discourages breaking up the chapter (not to mention their centralized culture worshiping their heroes).

I just doing find this color scheme to be creative for a Space Wolf successor chapter.

Gentlmen, I think at this point you two should take it to PMs. The thread is getting way off topic here.

Commander Endova wrote:Gentlmen, I think at this point you two should take it to PMs. The thread is getting way off topic here.

Indeed, or maybe another thread about the validity, or not, of Wolf Successor chapters, and that way we can keep comments here a bit more relevant to the OP.

Of which...

Overall colour scheme works well enough, I would echo the ideas that you might want to consider some pelts or similar to help convey their heritage a bit, even if it's another/different animal than a wolf.

You could paint them baby crap brown for all I care - they are your models and your choice to paint them whatever colour scheme you want. Since when does a successor chapter to the Space Wolves have to be grey?

Edit: With reference to the OP, I like the colour scheme - I think the two colours complement each other nicely without being too in your face and overbearing.

With the changes to the Space Marine rules we no longer have the option of adapting certain traits, just choosing one of the GM created chapters.
I’ve done Templar (these were painted Scaly Green and Bone) and vanilla Space Marine (same Models different selection), so I looking for something different, not a different race, tried most but did not get on.

Like many with the arrival of the new Blood Angle Codex I looked at them, nice models, too wingy, and as for dropping landraiders it just seemed …. Wrong, not what I was looking for, maybe one day.

Taking onboard some of the comment about the colour.
As started, the intention is to create a Chapter based around the Space Wolf’s, hopefully I will be able to adapt the models enough so that they’re not confused with the “Blood Angles” Raven etc, I just love the Viking/Norse warrior theme .
I can paint with some skill but I’ve not developed modelling/converting skills (Green Stuff), so I generally have to use what’s available from the different kits out there.

I would be interested in suggestions for fluff, conversion etc

I’ve gone for the two face wolf Icon as, after recently being bitten by my dog it seemed right, they’re two faced after all, nice one minute and horrors the next, plus nobody else seems to use it.

Quiet like the idea of a lost Great Company taken to Khorne worship and paint their armour red and Gold/Brass in his honour as supplied by Commander Endova, but no Chaos bodies, but I may way so accessories (if I can get some)

So any further suggestion would help.