Warhammer Fantasy Rumours (incl. release schedules): Dwarf and WE release list rumour 15th November

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**Kroothawk**

Updated the first post, new additions in yellow.

BTW I don't get the surprise of Wood Elves getting darker background, because that was the main focus of the 6th edition Wood Elf army book.

**Nagashek**

Playtesting since 2010? I don't believe for a minute GW playtests their armies for more than a week, let alone 3 years.

I do agree that WE should be more of a neutral army rather than a "good" one. I wouldn't be surprised they'd as easily pair up with their Druchii cousins as their High Elf ones if it suited them, but they are pretty insular already. No sense darkening them.

Thanks for the good work as always, KH.

**Bloodwin**

Nagashek wrote:Playtesting since 2010? I don't believe for a minute GW playtests their armies for more than a week, let alone 3 years.

That depends on how you imagine playtesting. I would think that a lot of armies are in flux in the design studio with tweaks to try out and additions of units into the army lists they use. There was a picture of a giant spider in the WHFB rulebook way before the army book came out. Also some of the sketches of new units for the dark eldar were 2 or 3 years old when that codex was released. I am curious about the Wood Elves as they were one of the big skirmish armies with the Beastmen. I hope they fare better. I will be interested to see how orion turns out and if they get something interesting to deal with monstrous cav that isn't monstrous cav. I'd love their huge monster to be a giant 'tree house' that can be either an archery platform a warmachine platform or a spellsinger shrine. Having said all that I'm most anticipating Warriors of Chaos to ally with my Beastmen.

**Nagashek**

Bloodwin wrote:
Nagashek wrote:Playtesting since 2010? I don't believe for a minute GW playtests their armies for more than a week, let alone 3 years.

That depends on how you imagine playtesting. I would think that a lot of armies are in flux in the design studio with tweaks to try out and additions of units into the army lists they use. There was a picture of a giant spider in the WHFB rulebook way before the army book came out.

You mean 8 whole months? Just because they have a model of it doesn't mean they even know what to do with it. I am without doubt that army book planning goes "Yknow what would be cool?" before it goes "So I have these rules for a giant spider..."

Also some of the sketches of new units for the dark eldar were 2 or 3 years old when that codex was released.

Some sketches stay that way for a loooooong time. Like the sketches for the Ghost Ark, which has been around since the design stages of the 3e Necron codex. They certainly haven't been playtesting THAT for over a decade...

**Ozymandias**

I'd expect that the codexes take a couple years to go from concept stages to completion. Hell, the miniature production from concept art to finished sprue probably takes that long. So I don't think that it would be weird to think that the WE have been in development since 2010 (with playtesting going on that long ago, though maybe not continuously).

**Kroothawk**

Updated the first post with WoC and several other rumours.

**RiTides**

WoC stuff sounds cool... will just admire it from a distance, though.

**BlackRaven1987!!**

I honestly can't wait for the wood elves book think they are going to be awesome, my army is already fun to play adding new stuff will make it even more fun. I am also really excited about the dwarves I just hope they don't kill the rune system. I am a little disappointed that there is no rumor of a lizardmen army book really want that, and believe they need an update.

**Kroothawk**

BlackRaven1987!! wrote: I am a little disappointed that there is no rumor of a lizardmen army book really want that, and believe they need an update.

Lizardmen February 2009 (3.5 years)
Warriors of Chaos November 2008
Dark Elves August 2008
Daemons of Chaos May 2008
High Elves November 2007
Dwarfs January 2006
Wood Elves September 2005
Bretonnia February 2004 (8.5 years !)

So no, Lizardmen are not the ones needing the armybook the most.

**Aerethan**

If anything lizardmen players should NOT want an update because it will mean the nerf bat being taken to slann.

I personally want HE and DE left alone because GW started slaughtering magic item lists down to 9 or 10 items. At the same time, I want new plastics for DE...

**angelshade00**

I like the rumors of the "darkened" Wood Elves. But wait... even MORE guns for the dwarf dudes to play with? How many more are they going to get???

**RiTides**

Aerethan wrote:If anything lizardmen players should NOT want an update because it will mean the nerf bat being taken to slann.

This is why GW is so frustrating... Slann needs to be needed, most LM armies are so similar and boring in 8th. But we'll have to wait years for the easy fix...

**djphranq**

Totally excited for the Chaos stuff.

**BlackRaven1987!!**

Kroothawk wrote:
BlackRaven1987!! wrote: I am a little disappointed that there is no rumor of a lizardmen army book really want that, and believe they need an update.

Lizardmen February 2009 (3.5 years)
Warriors of Chaos November 2008
Dark Elves August 2008
Daemons of Chaos May 2008
High Elves November 2007
Dwarfs January 2006
Wood Elves September 2005
Bretonnia February 2004 (8.5 years !)

So no, Lizardmen are not the ones needing the armybook the most.

I never said lizzardmen needed it most I understand other armies have been waiting longer heck I play two of the oldest army books (Dwarves and wood elves) but I also don't believe an atmies need for an update should be based on how long it has been since it has gotten an army book when a new rule edition comes out some armies get hir MUCH harder than others so in my opinionn should be pushed towards thje front to be updated, and some armies are still viable like Bretonia who are still just nasty to play against.

Honestly I would be happy with a white dwarf update if the can't put out an army book yet something to level the playingfield.

**Dawnbringer**

I don't know why they don't do a "Screaming Hordes" type booklet like they did when they made the switch to 6th. Then update it every 6 months or so for the armies that haven't gotten their book out yet based on feedback/playtesting. It actually just astounds me that they would release a new edition of the core rules when they haven't even been able to get out army books for the last one...

**Kroothawk**

Kijamon wrote:Someone on Reddit saying much the same

"So in next months white dwarf there is going to be a leaflet with updates for Codex daemons and daemons in fantasy.

Some changes to old units, flamers are now only S4 in fantasy and some units have had point changes. ect.

Also new units slannesh massive chariot (2D6 +1 impact hits) and other weird chariot thing in 1 kit. the other thing looks and acts kind of like a mobile meat lawnmower. this is in both games and acts like a chariot in 40K.

also soul grinders are coming to fantasy! has T7 6 wounds and a load of upgrades for its shooting. looks pretty mental. the model (40K kit) in the white dwarf and leaflet was on the same base as the giant goblin spider.

also new models for plague bearers (really really nice, some have fly heads) screamers (look similar but with lots of eyes), flamers (similar) and nurgalings (looks like a pile of funny little germ monsters you might get in a dish washer advert).

Also new beastman shaman.

should be out next week ."

http://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/wypdw/new_codexarmy_book_deamon_updates/

Harry wrote:Mmmmm .... the big monster type thing, I rumoured, is probably the soulgrinder. The Nurgle thing was, it would appear, my incorrect assumption.
The cryptic nature of the info I got led me to imagine something Nurgle specific. But I can see how the soulgrinder could also fit what with I heard.

**Griever**

Lizardmen February 2009 (3.5 years)
Warriors of Chaos November 2008
Dark Elves August 2008
Daemons of Chaos May 2008
High Elves November 2007
Dwarfs January 2006
Wood Elves September 2005
Bretonnia February 2004 (8.5 years !)

Wow, I can't believe how awful GW is at supporting their own games. They basically released an army book a year, that's just terrible.

**Aerethan**

Griever wrote:
Lizardmen February 2009 (3.5 years)
Warriors of Chaos November 2008
Dark Elves August 2008
Daemons of Chaos May 2008
High Elves November 2007
Dwarfs January 2006
Wood Elves September 2005
Bretonnia February 2004 (8.5 years !)

Wow, I can't believe how awful GW is at supporting their own games. They basically released an army book a year, that's just terrible.

There were more books released during that time. This list is only for books that have not been updated since the dates given. Some books have been released twice over while others sit 8 years old.

**-Loki-**

The soul grinder is going to look so out of place in fantasy. I know fantasy had some mechanical stuff, but the grinder is straight up 40k future aesthetics

**RiTides**

Daemon update is cool for 40k... for fantasy, I think they're a lost cause with the current book... although reducing the strength of flamers is a welcome, but very late, edit........

**Nagashek**

RiTides wrote:Daemon update is cool for 40k... for fantasy, I think they're a lost cause with the current book... although reducing the strength of flamers is a welcome, but very late, edit........

But if they'd have fixed daemons when they needed it, no one would have clamored for 8th ed!

**Orinoco**

kenshin620 wrote:
Necros wrote:no lizards = no fair :(

Probably means they are a long ways off. So I wouldnt expect them till 2014 or so

I mean, what else are they gonna get? new terradons? what us lizards need is WS4 saraus.

**Sigvatr**

Orinoco wrote:
kenshin620 wrote:
Necros wrote:no lizards = no fair :(

Probably means they are a long ways off. So I wouldnt expect them till 2014 or so

I mean, what else are they gonna get? new terradons? what us lizards need is WS4 saraus.

Sure, right after my T6 Warriors of Chaos.

**Kroothawk**

Updated the first post with all new rumours and confirmations of today on Daemons of Chaos in August.

Also this:

Harry wrote:Well it looks Like August new releases are all Daemons.

AUGUST 4th
Plaguebearers (Plastic) 29.00 USD (10 Man box)
Screamers (Plastic) 29.75 USD (3 figures)
Flamers (Plastic) 20.00 USD (3 Figures)
Seekers Chariot of Slaanesh (Plastic) 29.75 USD (1 Model)
Nurglings (Plastic) 25.00 USD (3 figures)
The Blue Scribes (resin) 40.00 USD

Also a relaunch of Old Metal Deamons into Finecast and then on 18th of August a relaunch of Fantasy Beastmen in Finecast

That's all I have
(...)
A couple of tweaks on a sheet/leaflet stuck in WD does not a WD list make!
It may be more than a couple of tweaks but not as much as a WD list ....
My sense of it is it is not that big a document ... in fact I am given to understand it has the fantasy info on one side and the 40K info on the other?

Please, please, pretty please with a cherry on top, O God of Pie and Rumours, tell me that it's 3 BASES of Nurglings for $us 25, and not three poor Nurglings lost in a blister ...

They are indeed nurgling piles, small mounds of nurglings if you will ... not sure what the collective for nurglings would be ... a turd of nurglings possibly.

Ludaman wrote:
does the "Single Print" next to new chariot of Slaanesh means it will be available for limited period of time for retailers and later on all the selling will be restricted only to GW stores? Or we are deep in some nurglish substance and be able to buy it only for limited period of time from any source, just like for example cards with magic spells? Harry?

I can answer that, there are 2 versions, one with a herald, that version's a limited run.
(...)
Oh I don't have an inside scoop, but my guess would be its an online only promo (like the old Khorne herald on Juggernaught) of the plastic chariot which includes a finecasted herald of slanesh (or extra bits to make one).

The only frame of reference I have is from when I worked at a lgs a few years ago, games workshop's limited edition items (like Harry the hammered) would appear in a similar format to what's on that page.

I could be completely off though, as it's all guesswork...

But holy moly it's 30$ more expensive! That Herald better be cast in adamantium....

TheDarkGeneral wrote:I mentioned it on the 40k side of rumors a few times in the past year, but I was told that Daemons in both Fantasy and 40K will get a simultaneous release (again) sometime next year close to the summer months. This includes the new plastic kit greater daemons and 3 to 4 new units all together.

Stickmonkey wrote:This is what I'm hearing as well. Along with Furies and other chariots.

I'll add that I've heard persistent rumors that A:oC and C: are currently being worked on for future release, with lots of implied coinciding with the GD refresh. I'm not sure I can buy it yet, there are a lot of Fantasy and 40k projects that are underway that I fully expect beforehand...

Don't buy stock on that rumor just yet, I mean to say...

**Kroothawk**

Here a pic of the new Beastmen Bray Shaman (Plastic Blister, 14.75 US$) taken from the 9k Painting video. Release 18th August together with the Finecast recasts:

Also a Birdy via Darnok:

I've heard that the plastic dragon ogres are very old ones that were declined from the previous release but that they've been reworked a little. I've also heard that from the play test rules there is (currently) an option to mount a chaos knight on them!

I've also heard some plastic chaos ogres (which are also older sculpts) may also be getting released this time around and that they're "not very good"...

**RiTides**

Bummer news about the dragon ogre and chaos ogre sculpts... those could really use a fantastic re-do, not a halfway one!

Chaos Knight riding them, too? They really are following a formula here (i.e. the Tomb Kings stalkers, monstrous cavalry that have a ridden and non-ridden version).

Also, the bray shaman above is lackluster, I think...

(Okay, okay- insert obligatory "not enough skulls" comment, as well)

**Bolognesus**

But how much trinkets do you want on something which is essentially a forest-dwelling intelligent goat? I'd say beastmen *need* to look simple and plain, like that. I like it.

**Kroothawk**

Harry wrote:I was having a chat to hastings and he told me that he had heard that clam pack artwork/photos for a plastic wood elf spell singer & a plastic wood elf lord had been seen.
He did not know if that was an indication that they would be released any time soon or held for main release later?

But it is a rumour .... it is detailed and it comes from, hastings which gives it a lot of credibility

**Kroothawk**

Stickmonkey wrote:Lots of chatter that WoC will drop in Oct or Nov. Prevailing birdies are telling me October is reserved for 40k, and Nov is WFB. However, I personally am expecting some switcheroo-ery, fwiw.

Ganon wrote:There are some rumours about Asrai from a playtesting team in Glasgow, posted by Avalon, but I dont' know if they are still valid. (it was the end of 2011)

a. Naieth the Prophetess with her owl are coming back in the next armybook. She would make some other Lores of magic availables for selection (like Life, Beasts and Heavens), or maybe the entire army could choose these additional Lores. Avalon doesn't know if this rule is due to the presence of Naieth in the army, or if it's always possible for Asrai.

b. Skaw will be in the book as a special character, and his presence will allow to choose Great Eagles as a Special choice, (some people said this, other people said the eagles with Skaw become 2x1 rare choice, like the Asur ones)

Maybe you can say if this rumours sound good or if they are old and renown

**aurelion**

Nice rumours about the new WE special char. I am excited to see the sculpts