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Indeed, the challenge will be making them not suck.

Low model count, expensive, medium toughness squads just sound like Eldar-bait. I wonder how GW (or if GW) will do anything to protect Tyranids from lulzy Eldar pseudo-rending and Dark Eldar poison this edition.

How much of an (obscene, indefensible) price increase on the Warriors box can we expect?

Can't make them too good against it though. The best balancing act may be to make more armies render such weapons choices less automatic. That way a Tyranids player is less likely to (literally) walk into a field of S6 AP2.


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 catharsix wrote:
How much of an (obscene, indefensible) price increase on the Warriors box can we expect?

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Or, stop not being able to afford it by planning accordingly.

I've seen people who only work 15 hours a week delivering pizzas afford this hobby with some creative financing. GW can charge whatever they want. It's up to customers to decide, with their wallets, what's "obscene" and "indefensible."

 brassangel wrote:

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Or, stop not being able to afford it by planning accordingly.

This is just... one of the worst things I have seen someone say in awhile.

User "endobai" on warseer has posted with a couple cryptic messages that sound like they've had access to the January white dwarf, or possibly vendor pricing list. He inasmuch said he's seen the prices of the new kits.

In that same vein he said the price raise of the new warriors would be akin to the one space marine tacticals had, IE 37-40 bucks. The tac squad box came with a ton of new bits and the warrior box is expected to come with new bits too, i would maybe tentatively suggest it goes from $47 to $49.50 or $50.00 like terminators.

Either way, even if the price stays the same, something needs to be done with their rules to make them worth the same IN GAME as 5 terminators or wraith guard.

At least the tails look longer. That's always bugged me about the old ones- they look so front-heavy.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Or, stop not being able to afford it by planning accordingly.

This is just... one of the worst things I have seen someone say in awhile.

Thank you. If I can't afford it, I DON'T buy it. The fact that I can't afford it, and don't buy it does not change the fact that the recent price increases have been egregious. I'm not some kind of knee-jerk GW-hater. But I'd really like to see you somehow justify the shameless cash-grab policies that GW has been degenerating into lately.

-C6


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 tetrisphreak wrote:
User "endobai" on warseer has posted with a couple cryptic messages that sound like they've had access to the January white dwarf, or possibly vendor pricing list. He inasmuch said he's seen the prices of the new kits.

In that same vein he said the price raise of the new warriors would be akin to the one space marine tacticals had, IE 37-40 bucks. The tac squad box came with a ton of new bits and the warrior box is expected to come with new bits too, i would maybe tentatively suggest it goes from $47 to $49.50 or $50.00 like terminators.

Either way, even if the price stays the same, something needs to be done with their rules to make them worth the same IN GAME as 5 terminators or wraith guard.

I actually was thinking about the new Tac. squad just after I posted my original comment. I like the wealth, and utility, of the new stuff added to that box. If this one comes with many useful new bits, a price increase would be more justified.

With that in mind, I'll suspend my (admittedly premature, since we don't know the new costs) judgement and wait to see the prices and contents of the new stuff.

That all said though, I don't think GW deserves the benefit of the doubt. At the very least, at 3 Warriors per box, it seems very unlikely that GW will pull a Dire Avengers and stick you with the same/higher price for less models.

-C6

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Or, stop not being able to afford it by planning accordingly.

This is just... one of the worst things I have seen someone say in awhile.

It is this sort of attitude from the consumers which justifies GW's pricing strategy to itself. The thought process isn't "that is too expensive, I will not buy it, regardless of my ability to purchase it" it is "the price is so high, I cannot buy this now, I will save up so I am able to pay the price that is asked."

It's why I've largely moved away from GW, and always look for third party or 2nd hand first if I do decide to add to either of my armies, not because I've rage quit, or hate GW, but because while the customer base refuses to change, why would GW? If I was able to sell something at a premium while only applying a modicum of effort into producing it, I would too. I'd probably try and be less obvious about it, but I'd still probably do it.

Hey, nice find in the Escalation Book!

Genuinely really excited about this release. My 1500pt Nid list has been doing really well recently, but it'll be nice to see some new toys and rules!

Endobai over at Warseer wrote:Some prices are sick (almost dropped from a chair seeing one), but mostly worth the price increase saving money spent for bits - much like with the Space Marine release.

I'd start gathering money (not so easy in December, I know) because there are many 'must buys' in the release.

I'd be betting on a clamshell prime as the 'generic' hq option for Nids rather than a recut warrior box with prime options

It is not a clamshell plastic pack.

Tetrisphreak wrote:Warriors are already overpriced at $47 for 3 models. If they get a new box with wings, swords, new weapons, and a prime option expect them to see a $65 box akin to crisis suits.

Don't worry it is not going to happen.
It is more like with the new tactical SM squad where the new box wasn't much more expensive.
I suppose they are going to get more profit from the quantity of the boxes every Tyranid player will have to buy.

That last sentence is interesting... significant points decrease on Warriors, I guess? And hopefully on other Warrior-sized models, too.

First sentence is also interesting, but not unexpected

Some prices are sick (almost dropped from a chair seeing one)

Nvs wrote:
The trick will be making them not suck

I'd love to play Hive Fleet Jagannath again with nothing but big critters.

Run the old MC Hammer list again, yeah. I could dig it.

Super excited for the new Warrior kit, especially if it includes wings, but having all the bits in one place will be a lifesaver. Just gotta cross my fingers that they are viable in the new codex!

I have nine Warriors, even though I never use them.

Suffice to say, I really like Warriors.

The warriors look great with the exception of the biomorphs looking tacked on as they have always done The Hive Guard are all kinds of awesome though.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I have nine Warriors, even though I never use them.

Suffice to say, I really like Warriors.

I have 30. Plus 3 converted shrikes.

Never. See. The. Table.

So yea I'm also hoping for good rules.

Cant wait on new codex because am sick of winning with my nids. Granted I understand the flaws in the codex but its still good for me. I really just want other options to be worth it. Cmon warriors daddy needs a change.

I'm hoping for a codex that has a number of fun and viable lists that make almost all models worth considering. What really needs to happen is something to get them across the field faster. Transports are an obvious solution, but even a rule that allows them to move, run, and assault/shoot would be a big help. I know they have the onslaught psychic power, but it would be nice as an army wide special rule.

Awesome stuff, might reignite my intrest in 40k!

On the price convo he did mention that one kit in particular made him almost fall out of his seat but the rest seemed "reasonable".

Maybe the big one is the rumored big bug? I could sadly see that guy getting up to the Baneblade price point. After all the Wraithknight is $115 USD.

I can't wait until we see the release list.

I thought I read somewhere that due to the holiday the Dec. WD typically comes out a little bit early? is there any truth to that?

Between Total Extinction, Trollforge, and Sedition Wars, I think I might just be good.





But dammit, if there's anything that can bring me back to buying GW after all these years, it's a sweet Tyranid kit with enough leftover bling to make a(n additional) small BFG fleet.

BeeCee wrote:
On the price convo he did mention that one kit in particular made him almost fall out of his seat but the rest seemed "reasonable".

Maybe the big one is the rumored big bug? I could sadly see that guy getting up to the Baneblade price point. After all the Wraithknight is $115 USD.

I can't wait until we see the release list.

I thought I read somewhere that due to the holiday the Dec. WD typically comes out a little bit early? is there any truth to that?

I don't know anything else about the release but I do know the giant bug kit is real. Just how big it is or what it looks like are outside my knowledge though. I'm willing to bet that the big bug is the "fall out of seat" model price Endobai was referring to.

Great looking stuff so far.

My daughter will be pleased, as she runs the evil little bugses.

My orks are sad pandas though. The Ork codex is a good deal older than the Nid dex, as is most of the model line, but i'm sure they'll remember to redo Orks again someday

I can wait, and save my pennies for the undoubted enormous price surge that will be coming

New pic is great, can't wait for the book!

Interesting. Thanks for the breakdown!

Make Hormagaunts viable. I have no other requests.












Just kidding. Stealers, Lictors, Warriors, Shrikes, Harpies... I custom built a Harpy and have been using him as a Third Flyrant. That's just wrong.

 jifel wrote:
Make Hormagaunts viable.

Pleaseohpleaseohpleasedothis.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 jifel wrote:
Make Hormagaunts viable.

Pleaseohpleaseohpleasedothis.

While I have a long laundry list of things I would love to see for nids - as per the OP request, can we keep the "wish list" posts to a minimum?

There was a tremendous amount of "noise" on the last rumor thread...not meaning to be jerk, just a sincere friendly reminder of the wishes of the OP.



if these are the new warriors - this is excellent news - as they look to be quite compatible with the old models - which is a good thing.

If there are new biomorphs which we would want to model, hopefully either there will be plenty in the box (similar to all the goodies in the recent pathfinder, marine, and sternguard boxes...they were just filled with great bits!!!) to kit out existing warriors.

I actually thought the pics were the old warriors. Only the bonesword is different as far as I can see. Though, to be fair, I haven't looked at my Warriors for months and it is years since I built their kit, so I may have just not noticed the differences.