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GW will never fix their magazine format until they give it actual content. They can rename, rebrand, split, and put as many pretty pictures in it as they want. It won't help. People want content.

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A4 page size would be a big improvement, if only to get rid of all those horrible split-over-two-pages photos. But their claim of 'same price per page' is a bit strange, even given GW's limited grasp of the English language - personally I'd be happy with half the page count and double the page size.

The other obvious improvement would be to describe the contents on the cover (presuming they keep the mag in its porno-style plastic bag) - currently potential customers can't see what's in it, which hardly helps casual sales...
   
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VIsions is great for people who like to PAY money to do google searches.

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Maybe the next innovation will be to combine WD and Visions into one magazine, so there'll be something for everyone. With a healthy price-rise, of course.

 
   
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 Kirasu wrote:
VIsions is great for people who like to PAY money to do google searches.


It would almost make sense if the execution of the concept didn't suck. A lot of people pay money for books of images they could get online for free because there's more to enjoying art than just having access to a digital copy of it on your computer screen. But instead of making a decent art book that would be worth the money we get a bunch of low-effort pictures of the same boring models GW uses in every other place, along with stuff like this:


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I doubt it will make me resubscribe but I'll at least give it a look. Change is definitely needed

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yeah,
Other people don't like it... meh sucks to be them.

I enjoy Visions as a hobby catalyst, I find the variety in the collected images inspiring.
It's easy to pick up for 10 mins between painting something without going online and searching for stuff.

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 Kirasu wrote:
VIsions is great for people who like to PAY money to do google searches.


Not true. Most of the content in it isn't available on the internet, at least without sifting through tonnes and tonnes rubbish.

Even if it was, it's a fairly common thing to have someone curate content for you. Look at every fashion magazine ever created. In your opinion everyone that read that should have looked at the clothes of the people walking down the street beside them.

Lazy argument.

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The only time I've ever picked up Visions was when Orks were featured. I still thumb through my copy looking for inspiration when I'm about to start a new painting project.

Unless there is another Ork-centric issue, I doubt I'll be picking up another one any time soon, even if the pages are larger in size.

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 Panic wrote:
yeah,
Other people don't like it... meh sucks to be them.

I enjoy Visions as a hobby catalyst, I find the variety in the collected images inspiring.
It's easy to pick up for 10 mins between painting something without going online and searching for stuff.

Panic...


I think that, from the issue due this Saturday, they will be featuring more Armies on Parade from gamers rather than staff so there may be some good ideas on display.


   
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 scottmmmm wrote:

Not true. Most of the content in it isn't available on the internet, at least without sifting through tonnes and tonnes rubbish.

That must have changed at some point, then. Because what was shown of the first few issues was all Demon winners and studio photos from the webstore.

 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
 scottmmmm wrote:

Not true. Most of the content in it isn't available on the internet, at least without sifting through tonnes and tonnes rubbish.

That must have changed at some point, then. Because what was shown of the first few issues was all Demon winners and studio photos from the webstore.


Yeah that's the stuff I dislike. But blanchitsu, parade ground, sprues and glue, army of the month, kit bash make up a large portion of the magazine. For the price I'm paying, it's worth it.

Even the Golden Demon winners section adds to it actually, because I'd rather look at printed photos of the models than on my computer screen. I spend the rest of my day doing that.

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Making the pages bigger doesn't change the fact that it's just a picture book with no content. How sustainable is that month after month for what they charge? I'd be interested to know the sales figures, I can't imagine they're good. It doesn't help that it's competing against the weekly WD which has words in it.

And I say competing because I'd be even further surprised if there were many people buying both. A month's worth of WD and Visions is about £20, that's a hell of a lot to get your GW fix given the poor quality of what is produced, that you can get great hobby content free online, and the fact that prior to all this WD was about £5 a month.
   
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' Giant ' new format...?

Looks to be still smaller than a normal magazine.

Kind of reminiscent of when Cadburys made a stealth size reduction by changing packaging, and then six months later trumpeted about how they were increasing the size... To something that was still less than they had started with.

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 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Making the pages bigger doesn't change the fact that it's just a picture book with no content. How sustainable is that month after month for what they charge? I'd be interested to know the sales figures, I can't imagine they're good. It doesn't help that it's competing against the weekly WD which has words in it.

And I say competing because I'd be even further surprised if there were many people buying both. A month's worth of WD and Visions is about £20, that's a hell of a lot to get your GW fix given the poor quality of what is produced, that you can get great hobby content free online, and the fact that prior to all this WD was about £5 a month.


There's lots of "photo book" type magazines out there and about that price however they usually run quarterly. And often have articles as well as the pretty pictures. The paper is usually of a higher quality also.

It won't make me buy it. This weeks WD was the first I bought in a long time. And only for the Skitari stuff. Ill pick up the next two but after that it will probably be ignored again.
   
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 Buttery Commissar wrote:

I subscribed to a WD offer about seven years ago, by direct debit. I'm still getting Visions at roughly £2.50 an issue. At that rate I never bothered cancelling. I take a cursory flick through, show the pet chemist, and just cut the painting guides out of the back.


You have a pet chemist?

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 Harriticus wrote:
GW will never fix their magazine format until they give it actual content. They can rename, rebrand, split, and put as many pretty pictures in it as they want. It won't help. People want content.


That's a bingo.


Rules, scenarios, detailed battle reports, detailed background articles.

You know, like the White Dwarf of 20 years ago...



 
   
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 Clang wrote:
But their claim of 'same price per page' is a bit strange, even given GW's limited grasp of the English language - personally I'd be happy with half the page count and double the page size.


I'd suggest you go back and read the letter that was shown. The comment about "price per page" was made by Malika2, presumably tongue in cheek
   
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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
GW will never fix their magazine format until they give it actual content. They can rename, rebrand, split, and put as many pretty pictures in it as they want. It won't help. People want content.


That's a bingo.


Rules, scenarios, detailed battle reports, detailed background articles.

You know, like the White Dwarf of 20 years ago...


That ship sailed 20 years ago

Sites like this, a hundred others like dakka, video blogs like BOW and of course the internet = the golden days becoming a distant memory. I miss the old WD as well, but the world's moved on since then.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Sites like this, a hundred others like dakka, video blogs like BOW and of course the internet = the golden days becoming a distant memory. I miss the old WD as well, but the world's moved on since then.


I don't think that's true. One, back in the day, WD had modelling and painting content that beats the living daylights out of anything you can find on the net in terms of general quality of presentation. Two, it contained a lot of content that the net simply cannot provide. Mostly additional rules that always had the flair of "it came from the Studio" rather than being yet another house rule, often twinned with a nice background piece and a modelling challenge. But there was also stuff like "The tale of four gamers" and the like, something that doesn't really exist anywhere else, net or not.

Most of all, we're not exactly hard to please. Give us some rules, a few pretty pictures, a nice conversion guide, maybe a sneak peak here and there and we're going to pay.

I mean, if it was just the net killing print media, we'd be having the same old WD in cheap digital format or via regular updates to the site. But we don't.
   
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 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Eight.

But I'll be square with you, having checked the cover, it's issue #3 from April 2014, so they may have learned from it by now.
I don't usually hang on to year-old recycling, I am trying to remember why I kept this particular copy.

It's also home to this fantastic example of why they shouldn't be allowed near A5 format.



Lol, good thing all that empty space is so prominent on the pages but the actual model halfway disappears in the page crease. You're buying that magazine for the former, right?

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
GW will never fix their magazine format until they give it actual content. They can rename, rebrand, split, and put as many pretty pictures in it as they want. It won't help. People want content.


That's a bingo.


Rules, scenarios, detailed battle reports, detailed background articles.

You know, like the White Dwarf of 20 years ago...


That ship sailed 20 years ago

Sites like this, a hundred others like dakka, video blogs like BOW and of course the internet = the golden days becoming a distant memory. I miss the old WD as well, but the world's moved on since then.


Has it?

I'm a faithful buyer of both No Quarter and Wargames Illustrated, they have all the different types of content that WD used to have 20 years ago and both seem to be pretty successful publications. Why would a WD based on that type of content fair any worse than the current, contentless generation of the magazine(s)?
   
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 Dicrel Seijin wrote:
The only time I've ever picked up Visions was when Orks were featured. I still thumb through my copy looking for inspiration when I'm about to start a new painting project.

Unless there is another Ork-centric issue, I doubt I'll be picking up another one any time soon, even if the pages are larger in size.


Which issue was that one? Might put up an eBay search for it...

   
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 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
 Dicrel Seijin wrote:
The only time I've ever picked up Visions was when Orks were featured. I still thumb through my copy looking for inspiration when I'm about to start a new painting project.

Unless there is another Ork-centric issue, I doubt I'll be picking up another one any time soon, even if the pages are larger in size.


Which issue was that one? Might put up an eBay search for it...


The current issue (14?) has a marvelous Ork Army in it. The centerpiece battle wagon seems to be made of every 40K plastic kit going.

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 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Sites like this, a hundred others like dakka, video blogs like BOW and of course the internet = the golden days becoming a distant memory. I miss the old WD as well, but the world's moved on since then.


I don't think that's true. One, back in the day, WD had modelling and painting content that beats the living daylights out of anything you can find on the net in terms of general quality of presentation. Two, it contained a lot of content that the net simply cannot provide. Mostly additional rules that always had the flair of "it came from the Studio" rather than being yet another house rule, often twinned with a nice background piece and a modelling challenge. But there was also stuff like "The tale of four gamers" and the like, something that doesn't really exist anywhere else, net or not.

Most of all, we're not exactly hard to please. Give us some rules, a few pretty pictures, a nice conversion guide, maybe a sneak peak here and there and we're going to pay.

I mean, if it was just the net killing print media, we'd be having the same old WD in cheap digital format or via regular updates to the site. But we don't.


You and I could do tale of four gamers tomorrow if we wanted too. It's not rocket science. I disagree with you about painting tutorials as well. On youtube, that buy painted guy (amongst others) does brilliant tutorials. As for GW battle reports, I don't miss the days of a new army release always winning the battle report just because they had new stuff out.


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PhantomViper wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
GW will never fix their magazine format until they give it actual content. They can rename, rebrand, split, and put as many pretty pictures in it as they want. It won't help. People want content.


That's a bingo.


Rules, scenarios, detailed battle reports, detailed background articles.

You know, like the White Dwarf of 20 years ago...


That ship sailed 20 years ago

Sites like this, a hundred others like dakka, video blogs like BOW and of course the internet = the golden days becoming a distant memory. I miss the old WD as well, but the world's moved on since then.


Has it?

I'm a faithful buyer of both No Quarter and Wargames Illustrated, they have all the different types of content that WD used to have 20 years ago and both seem to be pretty successful publications. Why would a WD based on that type of content fair any worse than the current, contentless generation of the magazine(s)?


I don't doubt their success, but they are pretty niche. Print magazine sales have been falling year on year since the 1990s. Given GW's financial woes, I doubt if they'd want to sink that much money into supporting their magazines.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
You and I could do tale of four gamers tomorrow if we wanted too. It's not rocket science


I'm sure we could. I'm not sure our presentation would be anywhere close to what WD offered back in the day.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Given GW's financial woes, I doubt if they'd want to sink that much money into supporting their magazines.


Well, they used to have an open Studio that created most of the content naturally just by operating, as well as a host of independent contributors. All they had to do was pay a few editors to put it together. Now they seem to be monetizing every scrap of content that comes out of the Studio and have no freelancing contributors, as far as I can tell.

I'd wager we'd be back to quality WD every month if they could just let the creative people be creative again.
   
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
You and I could do tale of four gamers tomorrow if we wanted too. It's not rocket science


I'm sure we could. I'm not sure our presentation would be anywhere close to what WD offered back in the day.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Given GW's financial woes, I doubt if they'd want to sink that much money into supporting their magazines.


Well, they used to have an open Studio that created most of the content naturally just by operating, as well as a host of independent contributors. All they had to do was pay a few editors to put it together. Now they seem to be monetizing every scrap of content that comes out of the Studio and have no freelancing contributors, as far as I can tell.

I'd wager we'd be back to quality WD every month if they could just let the creative people be creative again.


We live in an age of quality cameras at decent prices, quality web cams at decent prices, open source software for desktop publishing, crowdfunding etc etc

It would take some work, but it wouldn't be that hard to get the equipment together to produce magazine quality battle reports.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Buttery Commissar wrote:

I subscribed to a WD offer about seven years ago, by direct debit. I'm still getting Visions at roughly £2.50 an issue. At that rate I never bothered cancelling. I take a cursory flick through, show the pet chemist, and just cut the painting guides out of the back.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

We live in an age of quality cameras at decent prices, quality web cams at decent prices, open source software for desktop publishing, crowdfunding etc etc

It would take some work, but it wouldn't be that hard to get the equipment together to produce magazine quality battle reports.


I suspect more people don't do that because alot of folks aren't willing to pay directly for that from indy sources. There are wargaming magazines out there but they've increasingly become single company rags with the indies largely going either to modelling more than gaming (those customers do seem a bit more willing to pay for painting equivalent of porn) or going free online downloads. In the modern era of blogs, forums, and youtube channels, the battle reports you get from those free sources are "good enough" for most folks.

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