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As much as I like spider walkers, somehow I feel that that base is ruined by the model standing on it. It's a work of art on its own.

(for the second image)

I see people is actually defending this hideous Khorne thing ... And maybe it is a waste of breath for me to call it ugly and awful. People are gonna buy it anyway...

I like most of the things GW put out, yes I guess every miniatures is a toy in one sense. But GW usually makes them original, interesting and with a kind of balanced esthetic felling well suited for the army they belong to. (And you forget the childish part...)

And I can see the effort in this model as well...

Anyway I rest my case. People will like it. Maybe it is time for me to do something else. Stop wasting my time and money on GW.

 Pacific wrote:
Compare and contrast:





.. I guess it's another reason to go the ForgeWorld route?

Yup, they're really the stuff of nightmares! Though forget the Decimator if you want to utilize your points properly...

GW seems to be gravitating towards the more anthropomorphic units, from the Dreadknight to the Wraithknight to this "Bloodknight" (which as people have already pointed out seems to be a reworking of the Lord of Battle daemon engine).

Problem for me is some of the stylistic choices they went with in doing this. The white face seems to be taken from Adrian Smith's Khorne artwork showing the Khornate CSM with whitened face licking a blade. The old Lord of Battles had a more canine bestial face, more like the Bloodthirster (and it was supposed to have a Greater Daemon of Khorne inside it). The old Lord of Battles had a battle cannon for a mouth, but with the new head, they can't have that (though they did do a mouth cannon for the Forgefiend). The belly/groin cannon seems to be a way to keep firepower as otherwise GW probably thought the arm gun wasn't enough. I'm not sure what that big cylindrical tub thing is at the back. Is it meant to be some kind of engine or daemonic containment unit? Or is it some sort of weird weapon?

Why the Lord of Battles to rework? If one looks at the other Chaos gods' daemon engines, I'm not sure there was much of any choice in the matter. Slaanesh had some Knights and Scout Titans. Tzeentch had some flyers, which I suppose could be done again but Chaos already got a new flyer with their Codex so maybe it was too much of the same. Nurgle had the Plague Tower and Contagion Plague Engine. The former was a slow clanking transport that got a bonus when troops assaulted from it due to their higher ramps. It had a few modest short or medium range guns, but that was it. The Contagions were giant catapults with a short range gun for close defense, so essentially they were artillery pieces. None of the other gods therefore had anything really suitable to be the highlight of a new wave of releases.

I guess one could make an argument for a Slaanesh Knight but probably GW thought the usual "blood and skulls" would attract more people than the Slaanesh aesthetics.

The Khorne giant-wheeled-centaur thing, yes, harks back to the old-school aesthetic. And that's why it's terrible.

The monolith-flyers looks OK, especially the opened version. But, and I can't believe no-one's mentioned it, how are they supposed to stay balanced? Especially the closed version, it looks so top heavy that placing it on even the slightest incline, or giving the table a tiny nudge, is sure to send the giant ball of plastic crashing down onto the rest of your, or your opponents army, smashing everything to pieces.

I don't actually have much of a problem with the Skulldozer, although I think a better paint job could have made it so much more appealing. Just get one of the FW team to paint it, and it would look pretty good.

The monoliths...
1) I hope these don't replace the old monolith in any way.
2) The open one looks amazing.
3) I'm guessing a price tag of £70, dual kit.
4) I want it.

So, no plastic Thunderhawk for the tens of thousands of Marine players out there, but not one but two monstrous abortions of superheavies for far smaller demographics of players? GW sure knows how to screw things up.

Wait, you're mad because your specific variety of marine didn't get updated so that newer codices could get some new stuff?

blood lance wrote:
That mega monolith is definitely a dual kit. The corner plating is exactly the same. Either these are two different super heavies, or the one on the left is its "Activated form" cus it looks like the rightmost one, but more "Opened"

Yes, we got that it makes different versions of the model. The one on the right has slightly different wraith looking things as well as different guns on the orbs.

Chaos has a huge fanbase.
Necrons now have a massive fanbase. (Thanks, Ward)
A Thunderhawk would be twice the size of that monolith, and would be pretty hard to make stable using GWs methods. It would also put a pretty big dent in FWs sales. I'm not saying they won't make one, I'm just saying there are good reasons why they don't want to make one.

Yes, if by "mad" you mean "mildly amused", by "specific variety of marine" you mean "all Space Marines, chaos and non", if by "new stuff" you mean "lackluster and poorly executed models" and so on.

So.... no, in fact.

-Shrike- wrote:
A Thunderhawk would be twice the size of that monolith, and would be pretty hard to make stable using GWs methods. It would also put a pretty big dent in FWs sales. I'm not saying they won't make one, I'm just saying there are good reasons why they don't want to make one.

Frankly, I doubt that. The Thunderhawk is not a popular FW kit, because it's a fecking nightmare to build and costs £400. I rather think Contemptors, Heresy marines and Death Korps all easily outsell it.

I thought people didnt want any more marine stuff.

Cant wait for more pics, just hope that isnt towards the end of the month.

You're the second person in this thread to not like the monolith, that makes you the minority.
And chaos can't take Thunderhawks. They can't.

-Shrike- wrote:
You're the second person in this thread to not like the monolith, that makes you the minority.
And chaos can't take Thunderhawks. They can't.

And as we all know, suppressing minority opinions is the cornerstone to any great society!

Chaos Thunderhawks, even if not supported by the current canon, are but a tiny retcon away.

-Shrike- wrote:
And chaos can't take Thunderhawks. They can't.

In Apoc you can take whatever you want thank you very much...... Iron Warriors Thunderhawk FTW

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
So.... no, in fact.

Yeah, you mad bro.

Jokes aside, Space Marines, in general don't need any new models. The only ones that really do are Black Templars, every other one can wait while those codices that actually need an update get it.

 Melissia wrote:
Wait, you're mad because your specific variety of marine didn't get updated so that newer codices could get some new stuff?

They made a new superheavy for one quarter of one army, and it looks like gak. There are a lot of things that would have been a better use of those resources, and if they won't make the much needed affordable rank-and-file for certain armies, they could at least create an iconic unit that is a licence to print money.

I've said the same thing about the Storm Raven and Storm Talon in the past.

I don;t mind the lord of battles apart from the head. Hopefully GW put a dog headed version on the sprues as that would look a lot better.

I'll pass on another Apo book, didn;t get enough use out of the last one I bought.

 AlexHolker wrote:
They made a new superheavy for one quarter of one army, and it looks like gak.

As opposed to a thunderhawk?

Space Marines don't need new models.

 Melissia wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
So.... no, in fact.

Yeah, you mad bro.

Oh please, if all you can spew out are tired memes, accept my apologies for engaging in discussion with you in the first place. I took you for your better, and had I know with whom I was, in fact, conversing, I never would have proceeded to do so.

Agamemnon2 wrote: monstrous abortions of superheavies for far smaller demographics of players

As we all know, only a believed majority should get new models, rather than trying to bring new players into different armies.
/besidesthepoint

@Lovepug13: Sorry! I forgot that the footnote in the Apocalypse rulebook extends to units as well as formations. You can indeed take a Chaos Thunderhawk, but I suspect that a new dual plastic kit would have been on the front cover of WD? I don't think we'll see one, but I'm happy to be proved wrong.

... just got a look at those Necron Flyer Monolith things...

...

...

... still have no words.

You know, if you read the whole post instead of just the four words at the beginning, you'd have noticed an addition to the post, which wasn't edited in-- it was part of the original post.:

 Melissia wrote:
Jokes aside, Space Marines, in general don't need any new models. The only ones that really do are Black Templars, every other one can wait while those codices that actually need an update get it.

No need to spaz out about bad jokes, let's stay on topic, shall we?

Looking over the Necron stuff, I have to say, I think it's kind of cool. Newcrons interest me more than Oldcrons, to be sure, although that said I still dunno if I want to invest in a brand new army.

I like the scope of this new Monolith, the fact that it's flying and opens up and all sorts of unknowable technology inside.

Although God help it if they give it a "pilot". I don't want no robots controlling robots in my Monolith.

Let's move on p/ease people, this really isn't worth making a big deal out of.
ta.

H.B.M.C. wrote: Although God help it if they give it a "pilot". I don't want no robots controlling robots in my Monolith.

QFT.

Anyone got any more pics for this WD? Or links to pics?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
the fact that it [...] opens up and all sorts of unknowable technology inside.

Yeah, that's what I found coolest about it.



Just imagine the conversion potential there, both for serious and funny conversions!

Can't wait to get my hands on a Lord of Battles or two. I don't like much of the upper body, but it's going to be so much fun to hack apart and make into something much better. I'm thinking something more like a Cyberdemon on tracks.

Time to start hunting around for some conversion material...

*Sculpts Mat Ward in a cage, puts it inside the monolith so whenever it cracks open...*

"It's full of fail!"

Paint the megalith red and white with a yellow mouse like demon inside powering the lightning cannon!