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Possessed Chaos Marines, whats wrong with them?

Expensive, random, no ranged weapons. If you wanted a CC unit mind as well get bezerkers. I mean sure a few of them with MoS in a rhino isnt too bad but other units could be more useful

yeah. they're junk. shame too because the models are way cool.

Please look here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/275830.page

IMO, they are quite functional, though they require the play to bend to the unit rather than the other way around.

YMMV, cause there is alot of hate going on, but haters gonna hate...

then there's sanct's inevitable "oh its all about how you play them. sometimes they arent crappy." ignore him. they're garbage.

Modquisition on. Lets not make this personal people.

There is a reason it's called, Glass Half Full.
Treat it as a mental exercise maybe?

I will admit (as I did in the thread I posted) that they are overpriced and that they do have an uphill climb.

It does not mean they can not perform or do well. As said, YMMV...that was my way of avoiding that particular responce AF.

Sanctjud views ok if both players are having fun ... otherwise for completive play you should leave them behind

Possessed are great....If you use everthing in the box as either a painting project or for conversions but they should not appear on the able IMO

My friend posted that, the real question is...
Trygon Prime or Mawloc?????

lukaspukas wrote:My friend posted that, the real question is...
Trygon Prime or Mawloc?????

You really ought to start a new thread for a completely unrelated question.

That said, Trygon Prime. Six attacks, self-sufficient, a shooting weapon, and WS5.

I would answer what anyone would answer:
Niether, go and play Vampire Marines or Lycan Marines.

Otherwise, agreed, new thread.
Let this sink....... or we can keep it around so that in several weeks time it will be here when the next person asks about possessed and we bring up the Cup of Shat and Cup of Fun out.

Agree. all future threads asking whats wrong with possessed to be redirected here, on pain of having the finger nails of the OP removed with pairs of plyers.

Or we could just post on this thread once a week or so. That way everyone whose even thinking about asking this question can see that its already been asked, and just read whats already been said like 100 times before.

Sanctjud wrote:Please look here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/275830.page

IMO, they are quite functional, though they require the play to bend to the unit rather than the other way around.

YMMV, cause there is alot of hate going on, but haters gonna hate...

I actually have to agree with this. Even though they may be as good as grandfather nurgles left ear half the time, they do have uses.
But I think that if they had bolters, AF would love them.

JSK-Fox wrote:But I think that if they had bolters, AF would love them.

I see what you did there.

I used them once with some success but I have to say they are quite expensive and need some grenades!

Again, as described in the linked thread, I feel they are a counter attack unit through and through, which takes away the need for grenades.

I'm glad you feel that way, but at their cost I would like them to be a little more versatile. I will still use them occasionally, regardless.

@Mentat:
I'm not trying to be confontational.
I'm working within the framework that one doesn't 'wish' for something that they don't have.

I had put up the thought experiment with respect to maximizing their usage with what we, get regardless of cost.

As a result, one problem was the lack of grenades; a 'solution' was proposed. I suppose 'feel' is not the right word.

sanctjud wrote: one doesnt 'wish' for something they don't have

big question of design philosophy there. you should figure out what the tools are that you need for the job, and then find the unit that best conforms to those requirements. don't look for reasons to field units. not every unit is worthwhile, not every unit has its place. you get good armies by selecting good units around a particular theme. it requires forethought. you don't bring a unit and then look for ways to make it useful.

Sanctjud wrote:@Mentat:
I'm not trying to be confontational.
I'm working within the framework that one doesn't 'wish' for something that they don't have.

I had put up the thought experiment with respect to maximizing their usage with what we, get regardless of cost.

As a result, one problem was the lack of grenades; a 'solution' was proposed. I suppose 'feel' is not the right word.

I didn't mean to be confrontational. They are an assault unit in a marine list with no grenades. I still don't mind using them, I think they are OK in the right situation.

@AF:
It's a thought experiment. For some people that is fun.

You are talking in a fully competitive "I'm gonna rape you" mindset of the whole codex vs. the infinite metas. That is not what I'm talking about, nor is that the only kind of 'tactics' in the Tactics section of 40K.

I'm looking at solely the possessed and how they can be applied successfully...and people have done it, not just me.

@Mentat:
I didn't feel you were confrontational, lol.
I was just replying and covering my bases, explaining the rationale of why I made my comments. Some may take it with the wrong point of view.

I think they are OK in the right situation.

I agree, and that's the crux of it.
Not everyone is looking for a 'drop the soap' episode and it's up to the player to set up the 'right' situation.

No body, even I, are saying they are AWESOME-SAUCEBBQ good. I'm only hazarding that they are functional but expensive.

I see

Agreed the randomness means you have to have upto 6 ways of using them against X number of opponents in a tournament. 4 of 6 may be useful 1 might be okay and 1 you would be kicking yourself for wasting the points. (Scout comes to mind.)

Also they tend to be CC-oriented with little or no AT so in 5th Ed meched environment you have much more dependable and flexible options to use.

All that said, they are a fluffy thing to play for fun games just not a viable tournament choice. For elites, give me termies or chosen. If I want speed, raptors or even CSM bikers will guaranteed give me that rather than randomness.

Next codex, this is one I hope they keep but remove the randomness and let us pay for the desired ability.

I want them to be good. just once. they sucked in 3, they sucked in 3.5, they suck now. sigh. at least in 3.5 you got to choose the options they took. you didnt get good options but you at least knew what you were getting...

Well for 3.5 they were a little above suck as they were generally the body guard for an IC, because chosen were generally too expensive.

In addition, rending was pretty powerful with them, esp. coming out of a raider of old.

Other than the awesome bodyguards they WERE, these new 5th ed ones fit comfortably with Kharn...