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Yesterday, I posted the below thread. Due to the responses, I've decided to change directions, call this a Worklog, and create a splinter legion\offshoot. Lore is below, (still on the first page).

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Hello Dakka,

So, I'm starting a Iron Warriors force (because that's apparently the best way to resolve the 600+ points of unassembled ork\marine\necron stuff I have). Anyway, I have some questions on the schemes. This is a mingled fluff\painting question, but mostly painting, so putting it here.

1.) I'm planning on using a Daemon Prince as a HQ unit. Fluffwise, is this a problem? I read a passing comment from somewhere that the IW don't use summoned daemons, but this seems unlikely.

2.) How should I paint the armor of the above Daemon Prince? Skin, I can do anything, but there really isn't any place to easily include warning stripes on the daemon prince. How do I integrate him visually into my force?

3.) On the same note, what about my Khorne Berserkers? Do I paint them red, with an IW shoulderplate? Or do I paint them in IW colors, with red & brass helmets? I know I can do whatever seems right to me, but wondering how other people have done it.

4.) Finally, same exact questions as #1 - my battleforce included some posessed space marines. Do they belong with an IW force? Paintwise, I assume I'd just go with a normal IW scheme and then pervert it.

Thanks!

Ouze wrote:Hello Dakka,

So, I'm starting a Iron Warriors force (because that's apparently the best way to resolve the 600+ points of unassembled ork\marine\necron stuff I have). Anyway, I have some questions on the schemes. This is a mingled fluff\painting question, but mostly painting, so putting it here.

1.) I'm planning on using a Daemon Prince as a HQ unit. Fluffwise, is this a problem? I read a passing comment from somewhere that the IW don't use summoned daemons, but this seems unlikely.

I don't think it should be a problem. Iron Warriors don't tend to use Daemons much, if at all, but that doesn't mean to say your Iron Warriors can't. Just write a little Fluff about their connection to the Prince, so that, if anybody moans, you can show them, and shut them up. You're using Khorne Berzerkers, right? Well, just say one of the Berzerkers became a Daemon Prince. Job done.

2.) How should I paint the armor of the above Daemon Prince? Skin, I can do anything, but there really isn't any place to easily include warning stripes on the daemon prince. How do I integrate him visually into my force?

Tricky one, that. I'd say, just paint the Armour up in the same Silver as your IWs, and that should be enough. Other than that, I'm at a loss.

3.) On the same note, what about my Khorne Berserkers? Do I paint them red, with an IW shoulderplate? Or do I paint them in IW colors, with red & brass helmets? I know I can do whatever seems right to me, but wondering how other people have done it.

Whichever you think looks coolest. I'd go with Red and IW Shoulder Pads, I think. Do two test minis, one of each of the above suggestions, and post them on here; people can tell you which they prefer.

4.) Finally, same exact questions as #1 - my battleforce included some posessed space marines. Do they belong with an IW force? Paintwise, I assume I'd just go with a normal IW scheme and then pervert it.

Some of your Berzerkers succumbed to the lure of mutation. Easy.

Thanks!

1. Not a problem. I'm 50% sure perturabo is a daemon prince, so they obviously appreciate those blessed by the gods...

2. ....Silver skin is cliche...Maybe do a rusty silver? If you're using that new DP, don't even bother. The legs are awful and aren't very CSM at all.

3. I'd say red bodies and a single IW shoulder pad (Usually the left for CSM)....Make them look sort-of rusty if you can....Hazard stripes are nice if you can fit them on there.

4. Hmm, use them as chosen or something...Maybe raptors (I've bought 3 possessed kits for those winged packs)

Purple skin, silver armor for DP

Deamon prince all the way. (Or counts as in my Iron Warriors case). In fluff I read they use deamonic energy to power their guns and stuff. I could never pull off the modelling, but I always thought it would be cool to have some IW shoving deamons into a blender type device to charge up their weapons . hope to see some of your stuff up. If anyone gives you greif just say that your warband doesn't play by the strict IW book and have gone rogue..... because thats never happened in 40K.

I think that the Daemon Prince is al right, You should go for a Metallic basecoat, like Boltgun Metal, then use an extremely heavy wash of either purple or black. I would say try to put the warning stripes on his shoulder pads, and on his breastplate, as those would be the most likely place to put them. In the book Storm of Iron, there was an Iron Warriors Warsmith that turned into a Daemon Prince, so feel free to add one to your force.

I would suggest giving the Khorne Berserkers the same paintjob of the other IW in your army, just make sure to add some khorne symbols and drench them with a Red Wash. Again, in Storm of Iron, there was a group of Khorne Berserkers led by a captain, it talked about him cleaning the blood off of his armour every day, so as not to lose the fact that he was an IW.

Possessed marines should be given the same colours as any of your other IW, but try and replace some of the fleshy bits with mechanical parts, as IW love making newer, better machines.

If you go for the right armour/weapons on the new dp, there are plenty of pipes which can be painted as hazards while keeping the normal IW armour style going.

It was the only way I could get it to work on

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/146634-Daemon%20Prince%2C%20Iron%20Warriors.html

I'm making a very gnarly IW army drawing on the theme of the Obliterator technovirus and the Cult's acquisition of archeo-tech. If you're interested check out the blog in my siggy.


Other than that, you can always borg em up a bit (the possessed and other non marine models) with some random cybernetic pieces. Also the GW DP kit has biomechanical bitz with plenty of tubes, metal trim, etc.


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Samus_aran115 wrote:
4. Hmm, use them as chosen or something...Maybe raptors (I've bought 3 possessed kits for those winged packs)

I could have built you a set of 6+ wingpacks for alot less than you paid for those kits. Look more interesting too.

This looks good (not by me)



hope it gives you ideas for where you want to go with yours.

Heres the gallery for it: http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/user/24683-Stbag.html

That does look good....looks downright fantastic actually!

Nice find, Bonegrinder.

I think the DP model would look good with some conversion along those lines to look more IWish, i.e. more bionic and mechy bits covering the fleshy bits.

re the Khorne berzerkers, I think it depend on your fluff - are they literally Khorne berzerkers somehow allied to your IW, or are they IW dedicated to close combat who have no particular allegiance to Khorne but simply use the berzerker rules? Either is perfectly fluffy - the latter would be more original, just remember to keep them visually different to the non-berzerker marines.

Popsicle wrote:Whichever you think looks coolest. I'd go with Red and IW Shoulder Pads, I think. Do two test minis, one of each of the above suggestions, and post them on here; people can tell you which they prefer.

I think that's exactly what I'm going to do.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I'd say red bodies and a single IW shoulder pad (Usually the left for CSM)....Make them look sort-of rusty if you can....Hazard stripes are nice if you can fit them on there.

This is what I'm leaning towards, but not sure if I can do hazard stripes well enough at that size. We'll see, though!

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Purple skin, silver armor for DP

Silver armor, yes, purple skin - I dunno. That's a little too pimp for me. I'm 95% sure I'm going to go with traditional red for the skin.

Brotheralexos wrote:In the book Storm of Iron, there was an Iron Warriors Warsmith that turned into a Daemon Prince, so feel free to add one to your force.

Yeah, I read that too so surprised to read that IW usually eschew daemons.

Ifalna wrote:If you go for the right armour/weapons on the new dp, there are plenty of pipes which can be painted as hazards while keeping the normal IW armour style going.
It was the only way I could get it to work onl

That looks doable - I'll keep it in mind. As a side note, it was your Iron Warrior Terminator commission that made me fascinated with Iron Warriors, then I read Storm of Iron, and so now, here I am.

Bonegrinder wrote:This looks good (not by me)

hope it gives you ideas for where you want to go with yours.

As awesome as he is, I'm pretty sure Daemon Princes only have a single close combat weapon, and this guy is clearly wielding some sort of ranged weapon. Obviously you can do count-as, but that's not how i roll, as the kids say.

I'm also considering fabricating a big servo arm for him, as that would really give him the IW feel, but that would take the place of wings, and I think this is a situation where I'm going to have to go with function over form. We'll see though.

Thank you everyone for your suggestions. You've given me lots to think about.

Ouze wrote:Hello Dakka,

So, I'm starting a Iron Warriors force (because that's apparently the best way to resolve the 600+ points of unassembled ork\marine\necron stuff I have). Anyway, I have some questions on the schemes. This is a mingled fluff\painting question, but mostly painting, so putting it here.

1.) I'm planning on using a Daemon Prince as a HQ unit. Fluffwise, is this a problem? I read a passing comment from somewhere that the IW don't use summoned daemons, but this seems unlikely.

They don't use "Summoned" Daemons, persay. One of the cooler things about the Iron Warriors is that when they do Daemons(in the loosest sense) they're a blend of technology augmented by the occult forcibly bound into a machine shell. Think of the movie "Virus", but...well, weirder.

2.) How should I paint the armor of the above Daemon Prince? Skin, I can do anything, but there really isn't any place to easily include warning stripes on the daemon prince. How do I integrate him visually into my force?

I'd say you don't really need the warning stripes on him. It can look tacky on a Daemon Prince, if he's not wielding a bolter or something where it can be visibly integrated well.

3.) On the same note, what about my Khorne Berserkers? Do I paint them red, with an IW shoulderplate? Or do I paint them in IW colors, with red & brass helmets? I know I can do whatever seems right to me, but wondering how other people have done it.

Well, that depends on how you really want to do it. Do you want your Berzerkers to be from another warband/the World Eaters proper...or do you want them to be Iron Warriors who've gone a bit off the deep end and started to adorn themselves with sigils of Khorne?

If you're not completely sold on using the Berzerker models themselves...you can use CCWs+BPs combined with standard CSM bodies, bulk them up with a bit of "improvised" armor to make them look a bit like hardened siege breakers...and then show that they're Khornate worshipers with sigils painted on the steel armor.

4.) Finally, same exact questions as #1 - my battleforce included some posessed space marines. Do they belong with an IW force? Paintwise, I assume I'd just go with a normal IW scheme and then pervert it.

What do you mean by "pervert it"?

Ouze wrote:Hello Dakka,

So, I'm starting a Iron Warriors force (because that's apparently the best way to resolve the 600+ points of unassembled ork\marine\necron stuff I have). Anyway, I have some questions on the schemes. This is a mingled fluff\painting question, but mostly painting, so putting it here.

1.) I'm planning on using a Daemon Prince as a HQ unit. Fluffwise, is this a problem? I read a passing comment from somewhere that the IW don't use summoned daemons, but this seems unlikely.

2.) How should I paint the armor of the above Daemon Prince? Skin, I can do anything, but there really isn't any place to easily include warning stripes on the daemon prince. How do I integrate him visually into my force?

3.) On the same note, what about my Khorne Berserkers? Do I paint them red, with an IW shoulderplate? Or do I paint them in IW colors, with red & brass helmets? I know I can do whatever seems right to me, but wondering how other people have done it.

4.) Finally, same exact questions as #1 - my battleforce included some posessed space marines. Do they belong with an IW force? Paintwise, I assume I'd just go with a normal IW scheme and then pervert it.

Thanks!

1.) Their Primarch is a Daemon Prince, after the Iron Cage Incident, so I doubt they would have a problem with that. However they do not like mutation, and tend to hack off any limbs, so your DP should look suitably Mechanical.

2.) Use a normal skin tone, and have it blend into the mechanical parts. And feel free to paint some mechanical parts in flesh tones, to show how his body has now blurred the line between machine and man.

3.) Iron Warriors dont use berserkers fluff-wise, so if you want to remain fluffy, maybe paint them in another legion's colors (probably world eater) and just have them allied with the IW for the time being. That or make them into IW with cyborg implants (drug injectors, etc...)

4.) As mentioned before Iron Warriors dislike mutations, but they do use possessed, by harnessing their power into their weapons. I'd imagine they'd have weapons grafted onto extra limbs or have rockets built into their hooves or something along those lines.

If your wanting to mount a servo arm, you could always replace the tail with a mechandrite(spelling?), or servo arm there and keep the wings above. Fluff wise one of the older GW lists said that you could have 0-1 berserker squads I believe. You also see this in storm of Iron where one of the squads is on the verge of falling into a permanat berserker state and their leader becomes a deamon prince and goes through a portal to fight untold wars. As for skin tone, pick whatever you are comfortable with. I HATE painting flesh tones as I am not good at it. You could try a real dark black skin to almost mimic oil or grease.

Kanluwen wrote:They don't use "Summoned" Daemons, persay. One of the cooler things about the Iron Warriors is that when they do Daemons(in the loosest sense) they're a blend of technology augmented by the occult forcibly bound into a machine shell. Think of the movie "Virus", but...well, weirder.

I'm going to try and incorporate some biomech into him. The movie reference is good (and I actually Liked Virus, but I enjoyed the original comic too so it figures). I think, as Ifalna said, I can keep the hazard stripes and restrict them to the hoses... and possibly, to the Biomech.

Kanluwen wrote:Well, that depends on how you really want to do it. Do you want your Berzerkers to be from another warband/the World Eaters proper...or do you want them to be Iron Warriors who've gone a bit off the deep end and started to adorn themselves with sigils of Khorne?

I've been thinking about while I was filing and trimming the models tonight. I'm going to start writing my lore, and it makes sense for them to simply be World Eaters that are on assignment with the Iron Warriors.

Kanluwen wrote:What do you mean by "pervert it"?

(in regards to the Possessed space marines)
They'd have the armor painted like standard Iron Warriors and then blend in the demonic elements.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote: As mentioned before Iron Warriors dislike mutations, but they do use possessed, by harnessing their power into their weapons. I'd imagine they'd have weapons grafted onto extra limbs or have rockets built into their hooves or something along those lines.

The more I read from you guys and think about how I want more lore to work, the more I think the Possessed have no real place in my army. I'm thinking about swapping them in the swap shop for something more appropriate. But, I'll think more about them later - I want to get the rest done.

As my guys will be worshiping Chaos Undivided, I think allowing Daemons to possess and mutate them would be erring in showing too much worship to Tzeentch. That, and I'd have an impossible time smoothly blending in the mutations - I have a Nightbringer that I've been stuck on for like 2 months because I can't blend the cloth into the living metal.

Ouze wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:They don't use "Summoned" Daemons, persay. One of the cooler things about the Iron Warriors is that when they do Daemons(in the loosest sense) they're a blend of technology augmented by the occult forcibly bound into a machine shell. Think of the movie "Virus", but...well, weirder.

I'm going to try and incorporate some biomech into him. The movie reference is good (and I actually Liked Virus, but I enjoyed the original comic too so it figures). I think, as Ifalna said, I can keep the hazard stripes and restrict them to the hoses... and possibly, to the Biomech.

See, if it were me? I'd restrict the warning stripes on the hoses. Depending on how the biomech parts look, it could either be a resound success...or look like complete trash.

Kanluwen wrote:Well, that depends on how you really want to do it. Do you want your Berzerkers to be from another warband/the World Eaters proper...or do you want them to be Iron Warriors who've gone a bit off the deep end and started to adorn themselves with sigils of Khorne?

I've been thinking about while I was filing and trimming the models tonight. I'm going to start writing my lore, and it makes sense for them to simply be World Eaters that are on assignment with the Iron Warriors.

Remember: not all Berzerkers are World Eaters! There's plenty of warbands out there that have either resulted from the splintering of the World Eaters Legion, or they've just been founded afterwards. Vraks has some good ones in it. You can even go and create your own warband being led by a former World Eater who opted to strike out on his own. That's the fun of the Berzerkers. They're all nutters!

Kanluwen wrote:What do you mean by "pervert it"?

(in regards to the Possessed space marines)
They'd have the armor painted like standard Iron Warriors and then blend in the demonic elements.

Gotcha.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote: As mentioned before Iron Warriors dislike mutations, but they do use possessed, by harnessing their power into their weapons. I'd imagine they'd have weapons grafted onto extra limbs or have rockets built into their hooves or something along those lines.

The more I read from you guys and think about how I want more lore to work, the more I think the Possessed have no real place in my army. I'm thinking about swapping them in the swap shop for something more appropriate. But, I'll think more about them later - I want to get the rest done.

As my guys will be worshiping Chaos Undivided, I think allowing Daemons to possess and mutate them would be erring in showing too much worship to Tzeentch. That, and I'd have an impossible time smoothly blending in the mutations - I have a Nightbringer that I've been stuck on for like 2 months because I can't blend the cloth into the living metal.

Alternative: Don't paint them or the Daemon Prince the "standard" reddish flesh. Have them be a sickly flesh tone, then have them fluff-wise be attempts at bonding daemonic entities with vat-grown clones.

Techy AND freaky as hell to think about! Willing Daemonic possession and mutation aren't really an exclusive hallmark of Tzeentchian worship. Nurgle, Slaanesh, and even Khorne followers do that.

OK, I've asked for a mod to move this to P&M blogs, and I'll develop this from there. I've got a good idea and this has gone quite a ways from being a general P&M question into now more specifically developing an army.

The worshipper of any god invites possession, it's not a wholely Tzeentch thing. It's only Tzeentch if it causes extensive mutations. Reading up on some fluff, Berserkers probably will fit with Iron warriors, depending on how you use them. Iron Warriors are fierce fighters when the combat gets close, so that could be a special division of Warriors dedicated to holding the line. Otherwise though they are siegemasters. As for Daemons, Obliterators and Daemon Princes are probably the only things they'll use.

What I am doing for my IW possesed is not making them Iron warriors. My fluff is that they are a hybrid of Dark Angels and Orks(my friends two armies) that were injected with the obliterater virus. I also added chains to accent the fact that they were unwilling.

The Iron Warriors summon and use several daemons in the ultramirines omnibus.

Use hazard stripes on trim parts, but not as a primary.

Just paint them with IW colors. Nobody will care and they will look more coherent with the rest of the force.

So, I've decided to change my force from Iron Warriors to a homebrew legion called the IronKnights Marauders

I've got a logo, and the below lore. So far as models, I have a chaos battleforce, a set of terminators, a power armor lord, and a daemon prince - I'd imagine I should be able to tart them to at least 1000 points no sweat.

Type: Chaos Space Marines
Parent\Sponsor Legion: Iron Warriors
Symbol: Attached
Motto: Iron Will, Iron Fist

Here's my concept for my Iron Warriors spinoff . I haven't yet laid down any paint but they are, in nearly all fashions, the same as the Iron Warriors who make up the bulk of their numbers.

My guys are sort of like the Reasonable Marines. They want to save humanity. You're probably thinking they are the 40k equivalent of Drizzt, right? They're misunderstood good guys, yearning to throw off the shackles of their dark kin., right? ... not so much.

To the Iron Knights Marauders, there is no sin, no heresy, worse then inefficiency. The universe is a dangerous place. The astronomicon is fading. The xenos threaten from every corner. The rise of the Necrons and the Tyranids threaten the very continued existence of man. Who will ensure our survival? The Imperium? Please. Their countless worlds, stovepipe commands, and poor record-keeping are nearly as much of a threat as the Tau. They fiddle while Rome burns.

The fool, Abbadon? Hardly - he tosses away equipment and lives in pursuit of nothing worth having. He has brought only death and failure. To save humanity, it's necessary to rule with efficiency and ruthlessness. And who better then they to guide humanity towards utter and total domination of the universe?

My guys prize efficiency above all else. They worship Chaos as a pantheon, showing no special favor to any one god, for they all have their bonuses and weaknesses - how best other to harness them then by playing off which is the strongest? Some of you may have read a short story about Kharn, in which he has an ancient display in his helmet that tracks his kills. My guys would have something similar in nature, but not in function - they would track efficiency like the scene in Terminator 2, where he uses the minigun on the massed police. Of course, they're not trying to avoid fatalities, but rather waste - not a single bolter round pumped into body needlessly.

The Iron Knights Marauders have a code (a man's gotta have a code). Never for them the slaughter for slaughters sake, to taste the blood. Control is all. All those needless slaughters their colleagues are so enamored of just lead to angry populations starting insurgencies, and then they lead to costly and time-consuming population liquidations... No.

In the tradition of the Iron Warriors, before preparing a siege, they parley and offer the opponent a single chance to surrender whatever it is the Knights Marauders need. If they do so, not a shot is fired or a drop of blood spilled - not because they are weak or merciful, but because it's just good business. Sometimes it's just easier to negotiate. Their word is as iron and unbreakable as is their will and their armor . Of course, if their enemy does not surrender, they are slaughtered to the last man, woman, and child, because at that point, you have to send a message. Slaughter, but directed, efficient, purposeful slaughter.

Personnel: The Iron Knights Marauders have established a home world, name TBD, on the fringe of space, far out in the black. There, they have established a Sparta-like society (not in visual theme, though). Everyone fights. No weakness is permitted. The Iron Knights are equal opportunity employers, and their numbers include equal percentages of men and women, both as marines and cultists (no greenstuffed boobs, though). They also tend to attract zealots from loyalist marines and members of the cult of the machine god, who prize efficiency over faith.

The Iron Knights Marauders maintain close ties with their sponsor legion, the Iron Warriors, and most of their champions were previously Iron Warriors. They share a generally similar philosophy and visually are nearly identical. They also have a pact with the World Eaters legion - they provide Berserkers, and in return the Knights provide siege expertise.

For lesser engagements against xeno populations, they have been known to employ Death Skulls Ork mercenaries.

Much like their Iron Warrior brothers, they eschew the mutating powers of the warp. You don't save humanity by trading away your own, and to allow possession and mutation is to give undue worship unto Tzeentch. The Iron Knights need only their unbreakable will and unbending fortitude, not the fickle gifts of inattentive gods.

The only things I see that make no sense:
Iron Warriors never had Successor Foundings. Those were post-Heresy and Traitor Geneseed was locked away right at the outset of the Horus Heresy.

Now, if you were to say they were a splinter from the Iron Warriors...that would work. They feel that Perturabo's betrayed the Iron Warriors and their best interests, so they struck out on their own.

Have to agree with Kanluwen. I'd make more sense if the Iron Knights where a succesor to the Imperial Fist actually. I might be unfairly general here, but I belive that NO Iron Warrior want to save humanity, just look what the Imperium put em through during the great crusade.

Well, he's not trying to have them be "good guys" which Imperial Fist successors would be.

He wants, what amounts to, "we'll save humanity so we have someone left to rule over".

At least if I'm reading that right.

Ouze wrote: They worship Chaos as a pantheon, showing no special favor to any one god, for they all have their bonuses and weaknesses - how best other to harness them then by playing off which is the strongest?

Sounds like they will become furies then!

Kanluwen wrote:Well, he's not trying to have them be "good guys" which Imperial Fist successors would be.

He wants, what amounts to, "we'll save humanity so we have someone left to rule over".

At least if I'm reading that right.

Yes - they're concerned for the well being of their fellow man in the same way a farmer takes care of his chickens - it's property they need eggs from, and if anyone's going to fry them, it's him.

I'll update this to be more accurate, I'm not that familiar with the Horus Heresy.

Ouze wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Well, he's not trying to have them be "good guys" which Imperial Fist successors would be.

He wants, what amounts to, "we'll save humanity so we have someone left to rule over".

At least if I'm reading that right.

Yes - they're concerned for the well being of their fellow man in the same way a farmer takes care of his chickens - it's property they need eggs from. I'll update this to be more accurate, I'm not that familiar with the Horus Heresy.

That's why you're posting here, so we can pick on you for it!

Well, and fix it.

I would go with Splinter warband, rather than 'sucessor legion'

wolfshadow wrote:I would go with Splinter warband, rather than 'sucessor legion'

Yeah, you guys are right. I've updated the lore. I also have some pics of the Daemon Prince WIP I'll be adding to this thread (after I finish an SPSS install, at work)


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OK, I'm starting with the Daemon Prince. I've washed the marines and they're drying out before being rpimed - I'm going to try and do the marines in batches of 5.

I really did not like any of the present close combat weapons in the box for the Daemon Prince, so I scratchbuilt him one. This only took about half an hour, not counting procreate drying time. I'm not a talented sculpter, but I think i can pull off a simple skull easily enough.



Here is the prince himself:



I didn't particularly like the pose, either - I don't mind the left hand in the "bring it!" pose, but what's with the right arm? It's just kinda hanging there. I sanded down the joint and drilled a hole for a brass peg. My butchery was pretty bad, but his giant shoulderpads should cover it pretty good.

Here's a view of the peg:



And here is is, with the shoulder join patched in with procreate.



and the top view:



And here is a test pose:



That's how I'd like the axe to be positioned when finished. I'm still working on sculpting the replacement hand, which is harder then the little skull on the axe. I think I should be able to pull it off, and worse case scenario, will give up and just cut up one of the alternate hands included on the sprue.

You'll see I also cut his horns off and positioned them up; I'm not sure why more people don't do that. I hate how they look pointing down\sideways. It's unseemly.


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BlutEisenRegel wrote:Sounds like they will become furies then!

I didn't know what Furies were until you posted this. These are going to have to come into play, now. Perhaps winged bloodletters which count-as possessed SM.