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Imagine a Necron Warrior about the size of a Penitent Engine, looking a bit more mechanical and steampunk-y. That was what I had in mind for this.

Necron Decimator - Heavy Support choice.
Monstrous Creature
140 Points per model
Unit: 1-3
WS4 BS4 S7 T6 W3 I2 A3 Ld10 Sv3+/5++

Weapons
Close Combat Weapon

In addition, each Decimator must choose one weapon from the following list
Flux Caster - 20pts
Particle Lance - 30pts
Quasar Cannon - 25pts
Solar Flare - 10pts
Swarm Caster - 20pts

Flux Caster: R18" S5 Ap4, Heavy 2D6, Pinning, Rending
Particle Lance: R36" S9 Ap1, Heavy 1, Lance
Quasar Cannon: R24" S5 Ap4, Assault 1, Large Blast, Ignores Cover
Solar Flare: Template S6 Ap3 Assault 1
Swarm Caster: R18" S3 Ap5 Assault 2D6*

*Once damage has been resolved, you may place a single unit of 1D6 Scarab Swarms in base contact with the target unit. These Scarabs count as having assaulted this turn and have no upgrades.

Special Rules:

Invulnerable Save (5+)
Gargantuan: Decimators may not be brought into play via a Monolith Portal (they're simply too big!)


So what do you guys think?

I like your idea, necrons should have larger stronger machines like this. I like the weapons options, the swarm caster is cool and seems like it could be fluffy too. However this unit is undercosted. I would say they should be more along the lines of 150ish. But definitely like your idea

So does about 140+weapon sound about right for points?

Anymore comments?

Well the statline looks good

The weapons . . . why does this thing have the firepower of a main battle tank in addition to being a monstrous creature? The point costs seem fairly balanced for the effects of the weapons, but I'm not getting the justification for that much firepower on something that seems pretty CC focused.
Flux Caster seems fine
Particle Lance - Ap 1 Blast? Why Blast? Why not just the lance? It's treading on dark eldar toes a little, but I guess necrons lean in that direction. Perhaps something with rending instead?
Quasar Cannon - Large Blast on a monstrous creature, ok I guess. Ignores cover and pins? Maybe a little over the top.
Solar Flare - Ap3 Flame Template . . . well that seems a little over the top.
Swarm caster should probably only place 1d6 bases at most, more likely 1d3. 2d6 means an average roll of 7.5, meaning around 21 wounds worth of scrabs. I'd say that's the most effective tie-up weapon in the game then. Otherwise, perhaps use the 2d6 as wounds worth of scarabs, instead of full swarms.

Invulernable + Feel No Pain? How about one or the other? At the current point cost, neither would probably work too.

Maybe if you had a model, the weapons would seem more reasonable

This kind of reminds me of of my Tomb Warden unit I made awhile back you should look it up, as far as your unit goes I like the idea behind it. Seems really shooty to me

Ok, I've toned down the weapons a bit, thanks for the ideas.

Hi, I don't normally venture into this sub-forum, but the title attracted me (and I'm no Necron player!).

So here are my humble thoughts...

Valkyrie wrote:Imagine a Necron Warrior about the size of a Penitent Engine, looking a bit more mechanical and steampunk-y. That was what I had in mind for this.

As mentioned, it'd look more realistic with at least a concept / quick kitbash!

Valkyrie wrote:
Necron Decimator - Heavy Support choice.
Monstrous Creature
140 Points per model
Unit: 1-3
WS4 BS4 S7 T6 W3 I2 A3 Ld10 Sv3+/5++

Statline looks ok (though I cannot compare with Tyranid MC), I'm just wondering what's behind the invulnerable save?

Valkyrie wrote:
Weapons
Close Combat Weapon

In addition, each Decimator must choose one weapon from the following list
Flux Caster - 20pts
Particle Lance - 30pts
Quasar Cannon - 25pts
Solar Flare - 10pts
Swarm Caster - 20pts

Flux Caster: R18" S5 Ap4, Heavy 2D6, Pinning, Rending
Particle Lance: R36" S9 Ap1, Heavy 1, Blast, Lance
Quasar Cannon: R24" S5 Ap4, Assault 1, Large Blast, Ignores Cover, Pinning
Solar Flare: Template S6 Ap3 Assault 1
Swarm Caster: R18" S3 Ap5 Assault 2D6*

*Once damage has been resolved, you may place a single unit of 2D6 Scarab Swarms in base contact with the target unit. These Scarabs count as having assaulted this turn and have no upgrades.

The idea of a mandatory weapon is nice, but, as mentioned before, some seem too overpowered for the cost (I'll try and compare with MEQs weaponry for easier reference).
And, most of all, the Swarm Caster would probably become the only choice made by Necron Players, I'll come to that later.

Flux Caster - 20pts - definitely better than an Assault Cannon, for a lower price. You should lower it to 1d6 / 2d3, and/or remove pinning.

Particle Lance - 30pts - Twin-linked Lascannon is 35 points on a Razorback, this one's better and cheaper: AP1, Lance means it'll penetrate anything on a 4+, Blast means it's also effective against infantry... OTT. Best thing to do is remove Blast or Lance, maybe add 5pts.

Quasar Cannon - 25pts - This one doesn't seem so overpowered... Looks like a Whirlwind template, good.

Solar Flare - 10pts - A Firestorm cannon for 10 points? 5pts is the general cost for a flamer (S4, AP5, template), so (S6, AP3) should skyrocket it to 20-25pts at least...

Swarm Caster - 20pts - I like this concept very much!! Looks like a Necron Shokk Attack Gun, that's a win! But as I (and others) said, this is too much overpowered. First, rulewise, what if it misses? Do you create the swarms nevertheless?
Second, the ability to create 2d6' worth of Scarab stands is too powerful... You can bog the elite of your opponent's army for the remainder of the game with just one shooting phase, if not roll over it... As Irdiumstern said, it'd be more acceptable if reduced to 1d3, and for a greater cost of course. Or your could just keep the Assault 2d6, and create 1 Scarab Swarm for every 2/3 wounds dealt by the attack.
This one you must keep though!!

Valkyrie wrote:
Special Rules:

Invulnerable Save (5+)
Feel No Pain
Gargantuan: Decimators may not be teleported through a Monolith Portal (they're simply too big!)

Again, FNP combined with 5++ looks a bit too much. You remove one of the two, with the possible tweak of +1T if you really want it to be resilient!


Hope this might help...
Good job!

Ok so here is Decimator V2.0

Necron Decimator - Heavy Support choice.
Monstrous Creature
140 Points per model
Unit: 1-3
WS4 BS4 S7 T6 W3 I2 A3 Ld10 Sv3+/5++

Weapons
Close Combat Weapon

In addition, each Decimator must choose one weapon from the following list
Flux Caster - 20pts
Particle Lance - 35pts
Quasar Cannon - 25pts
Solar Flare - 20pts
Swarm Caster - 20pts

Flux Caster: R18" S5 Ap4, Heavy 2D6, Pinning
Particle Lance: R36" S9 Ap1, Heavy 1, Lance
Quasar Cannon: R24" S5 Ap4, Assault 1, Large Blast, Ignores Cover
Solar Flare: Template S6 Ap3 Assault 1
Swarm Caster: R18" S3 Ap5 Assault D6*

*Once damage has been resolved, as long as at least one shot hit the target, you may place a single unit of Scarab Swarms, consisting of as many models as hits caused by the initial shooting attack, in base contact with the target unit. These Scarabs count as having assaulted this turn and have no upgrades.

Special Rules:

Invulnerable Save (5+)
Gargantuan: Decimators may not be brought into play via a Monolith Portal (they're simply too big!)

Much better, though I think you should raise the cost of Swarm Caster to at least 30pts minimum. Think about it. Here you have a gun that will produce on average 36pts of free models a turn. In addition, it'll give these models an 18" assault range. Over the course of a game, you can potentially produce about 180pts of free models to tie up opponents. IMO there is no need to get any of the other guns because Swarm Caster is just too good.

Yeah, I agree that the weapons seem a bit over the top for a Necron unit (Seeing as a couple of those are better than even Monolith-level weapons...such as the "Flux Caster", higher range, extra D6 shots, AND pinning, when compared to the monolith's Flux Arc??)


EDIT:

Gargantuan: Decimators may not be brought into play via a Monolith Portal (they're simply too big!)

This is redundant as anything without the "Necron" special rule can't use the portal anyways (and only warriors can use it to come into play, the rest with the rule can only use it to transport), so there's no use for that rule.

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Also (and more importantly), have you checked out the Tomb Stalker that Forge World is making right now?:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Necrons/NECRON-TOMB-STALKER.html
("experimental" rules are here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/t/tstalker.pdf)

Other than the (TBH Very odd seeming for Necrons) weapons, that thing is pretty close to what you're imagining right now (except it also has lots of neat extra rules, and a crazy awesome looking model too)

Since the Swarm Caster is so good why not make that the compulsary weapon instead of the DCCW?

Make the DCCW and optional extra and give some sort sort of tweak to amke it a viable choice. Maybe make it have 2D6 vs armour or something? That way it woudl have a dedicated anti infantry weapon and a choice of more anti-I or some anti-A.

Someone mentioned earlier makigna change to the Particle Lance. If it is too close to DE tech (and i have no idea if it is) maybe make it a Gauss Lance that gets some sort of bonus to Rending instead of the Lance rule?

Well 'Nids also have a Lance weapon, yet they don't seem too similar to DE weapons. I think the Particle Lance is fine as it is, adding a bonus to Rending would make it a tad more complicated.

FYI, it wouldn't be able to come in from the lith anyway as it is not a NECRON unit.

Such a high strength and low initiative...very unappealing for anti-infantry tie up since any decent elite choice will rip this thing up (since FNP doesn't count against power weapons). It'll be ok against vehicles but the unit inside will just tear it a new one next turn.

And though I hate to say it, this unit would already be fighting for a very very important (and now saturated) slot in the army list that already contains the Lith and Tomb Stalker, not to mention Heavy Destroyers (for anyone that actually uses those trash piles). I won't bring up the tomb spyder because they're kind of a joke of an MC imho.

Don't get me wrong though man, your idea looks great and I love the customization options of it. This would just be much better as a walker in an elite slot rather than an MC in a heavy slot (for the cron army).

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Care to explain? If you are who I think you are, I'm glad I managed to get away from you gakkers and now I wonder why you waste your time on the internet trying to harass people for no reason.

better come backs valk

At least i have more women in my life than a sisters of battle army.

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I don't want to see any more malarkey!

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Aww, looks like you'll have to find another way to pointlessly annoy people.

stop bitching valk, drop it.

Dear mod,

he called me annoying

Please exact harsh vengance.

from Salamandermarine

muppet slayer wrote:stop bitching valk, drop it.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought he could stand up for himself, instead he needs his little goon to back him up.

Dear mod

these constant insults from Valkyrie are distressing and disturbing, please punish as you see fit.

Yours, faithfully

Salamander marine

Can't take the insults? Then maybe you shouldn't dish them out in the first place.

im not little and my IQ is higher than that of a generic goon.

Valkyrie, I know who you are lol and I realy wouldn't try to act tough over Dakka Dakka it doesn't work. nice try sweet ass

muppet slayer wrote:im not little and my IQ is higher than that of a generic goon.

Perhaps, but your mental age still probably hasn't reached double digits yet.


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SalamanderMarine wrote:Valkyrie, I know who you are lol and I realy wouldn't try to act tough over Dakka Dakka it doesn't work. nice try sweet ass

And I would have no wish to know you. Nice try to intimidate me like that And yeah you're right, after seeing your pathetic arguments it doesn't work.

Praxiss wrote:Since the Swarm Caster is so good why not make that the compulsary weapon instead of the DCCW?

Make the DCCW and optional extra and give some sort sort of tweak to amke it a viable choice. Maybe make it have 2D6 vs armour or something? That way it woudl have a dedicated anti infantry weapon and a choice of more anti-I or some anti-A.

Someone mentioned earlier makigna change to the Particle Lance. If it is too close to DE tech (and i have no idea if it is) maybe make it a Gauss Lance that gets some sort of bonus to Rending instead of the Lance rule?

It's a monstrous creature...so it already has 2d6 armour pen.

So any new necron unit is a good idea since they need new units. You followed the theme of the army, making it shooty...but it might be a nice option to make it a monster in CC instead. Instead of so many shooty weapons, or as an alternative, why don't you make a CC version?