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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/15 16:20:24
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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At the excellent tournament I attended on March 12th, 92acclude was handling paint judging for the Golden Squig Painting Contest, and was so kind as to take very nice, high-quality photos of all the entrants.
Here, hopefully for your enjoyment, are these nice photos of my humble stuff. There are also some more angles and larger shots in my Gallery, too.
Quick tip of the cap to Dave Taylor, whose blog article on painting chaos stars on vehicles gave me the inspiration to try my clumsy hand at the star I added to my Predator last week.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/15 16:27:47
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Lovely stuff Mann, I especially like the blue power weapon effect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/15 19:04:26
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
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AWESOME! I'm actually going to try out Dave Taylor's Chaos Star method for my Word Bearers Host vehicles. From what I can see yours looks great!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/15 19:56:48
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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I'll admit i wasn't wildly impressed by the first Guy, (Dark Angel librarian?) but the subsequent models are superbly painted. The scheme also looks great on the Daemon Prince.
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Mary Sue wrote: Perkustin is even more awesome than me!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/15 21:05:04
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Long-Range Black Templar Land Speeder Pilot
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loving the colour skeme!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/15 22:32:30
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Perkustin wrote:I'll admit i wasn't wildly impressed by the first Guy, (Dark Angel librarian?) but the subsequent models are superbly painted. The scheme also looks great on the Daemon Prince.
I think you'll find that Ezekiel is an update of a much older paint job. (And there since M plays fallen Dark Angels with the Chaos Codex).
The DP is probably a much more recent acquisition, especially since it is a newer model and M's had this army for a while.
The freehand star came out great!
They're looking nice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/15 23:43:30
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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Yeah, looking at the libby in closeup I can see a) more flaws and b) more damage. Stupid metal models chipping...
Thanks for the kind words about the rest, guys.
For anyone else attempting the star, I highly recommend plotting out its placement/length fully in advance. Making the organic curves, hooks and barbs is improvisational fun, but if you can plot out roughly where the arrows will end, you'll get a better final effect.
In my case, you can see that the points of the two large arrows on the side wind up wrapping around corners. If the points ended up on flat surfaces, they'd be sexier. Actually, in the front view photo you can just see the arrow on the right front side extending a little past the AC barrel; I specifically lengthened this one so that it would extend down the front a bit and look better, instead of ending right at the bend between top and front armor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 01:42:23
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Too bad they didn't get a closer shot of the chaos star.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 02:44:15
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Violent Space Marine Dedicated to Khorne
Make a right past the Eye of Teror...no a left...wait a right!
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Cool army and nice painting!!
Are you using Dark Angel or Chaos rules?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 03:32:35
Subject: Re:New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot
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Gonna have to go for NO with an extra side of NO for the fluff but the painting looks alright.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 04:27:14
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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How is it a no, since the DA have a well-known traitor contingent?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 04:45:55
Subject: Re:New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot
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The Fallen aren't chaos. Also the Deathwing didn't gain their bonewhite scheme until after the heresy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 05:07:57
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Umm. Check your fluff.
There are several different types of Fallen; not all of them have succumbed to the powers of Chaos. A large number of the Fallen have become true Chaos Space Marines, but many others realise that their actions during the fall of Caliban were questionable. Others, claiming that the Lion himself was Chaos-tainted and that Luther was the true loyalist have remained unrepentant and possessed of the same ideals they fought for during Caliban's fall. Disgusted by the perverse Chaos Gods and unable to reconcile themselves with the Imperium, such members of the Fallen often lead a solitary existence. Many become mercenaries or pirates, while others attempt to integrate themselves back into 'normal' human societies.
Lexicanum.
Also, I think you'll find that the traitors or fallen could have repainted their armor at some point. It isn't a pre-heresy DA army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 13:22:13
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot
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pretre wrote:Umm. Check your fluff.
There are several different types of Fallen; not all of them have succumbed to the powers of Chaos. A large number of the Fallen have become true Chaos Space Marines, but many others realise that their actions during the fall of Caliban were questionable. Others, claiming that the Lion himself was Chaos-tainted and that Luther was the true loyalist have remained unrepentant and possessed of the same ideals they fought for during Caliban's fall. Disgusted by the perverse Chaos Gods and unable to reconcile themselves with the Imperium, such members of the Fallen often lead a solitary existence. Many become mercenaries or pirates, while others attempt to integrate themselves back into 'normal' human societies.
Lexicanum.
Also, I think you'll find that the traitors or fallen could have repainted their armor at some point. It isn't a pre-heresy DA army.
It doesn't say anywhere in the codex that the Fallen succumbed to chaos, in fact it says that they betrayed chaos after the rebellion and that's why they were swept away. Lexicanum tends to use previous Ed. codexes in their articles which makes them wrong, just like how it says Lion is in the Rock, which according to latest edition we don't even know.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 14:24:33
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Umm, that quote from Lexicanum is backed up by the 4th Ed DA Codex, P12
DA P12 wrote:Though the Fallen DA chose the Ruinous Powers over their brethren, not all have succumbed to the power of Chaos to the same degree. Some of the Fallen have embraced the ways of the Dark Gods totally, becoming true Chaos Space Marines. These Fallen do not belong to a chapter of their own. Instead, they are dispersed throughout the galaxy, some as isolated individuals and some gravitating together into small bands.-
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 14:47:52
Subject: Re:New pics of my Fallen Angels
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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Thanks, Pretre.
Cable wrote:Cool army and nice painting!!
Are you using Dark Angel or Chaos rules?
Thanks!
I originally started the army as a pure Dark Angels army, Task Force Nemesis, which was a Fallen-Hunting Expeditionary Force operating far from support on the edge of the Eye of Terror. All the regular (non- DW or Inner Circle) guys still wore the DW shoulder pad, as they were provisional inductees; expected to either die before returning to the chapter or be inducted fully after the extended campaign. I mixed my SM kits with some Chaos bits to represent them re-arming/resupplying with some salvaged chaos gear; which would be officially cleansed and re-sanctified to the Emperor's service by the Interrogator-Chaplain leading the army. Most of said bits (except where it would look dumb, like on a helmet) got a purity seal attached. The Predator originally was like this- a loyalist loadout (no trophy racks, etc.) but with a Chaos turret, with the star on the top hatch mostly obliterated and painted over, and that huge honking metal purity seal on the side.
Eventually I got the idea of running it as Fallen, using the Word Bearers rules from the 3.5 CSM book; this way my Chaplain could have almost the same stats as a Dark Apostle, and without Daemons I could leave the question open as to what KIND of Fallen they are; the repentant ones or the genuinely gone-over-to-Chaos ones.
That said, I eventually got the itch to paint and use some of the unique chaos stuff; like Daemons, Obliterators, etc. Also to paint up sexy chaos heraldry, like the stars. So I made the force completely Fall over to Chaos, as you can see above. I run it using the current CSM codex, which is usually spottable as there's no other way to get a Daemon Prince.
DODcrazy wrote:The Fallen aren't chaos. Also the Deathwing didn't gain their bonewhite scheme until after the heresy.
Might want to check your DA codex again. Also might want to take a slightly less black-and-white position on the fluff, especially in the P&M forums. People are free to paint and fluff their stuff how they want. Changes in the official fluff also need to be viewed in light of the fact that many of us have had armies since before the current version of our codex has been released and changed things.
That said, pretre is correct that the current DA codex is clear that there are multiple different types of Fallen; some repentant, some defiant, some fully gone over to Chaos. The Chaos Codex also has, among the sample named color schemes/factions, a robed dude who looks remarkably like a Fallen Angel, labeled "unknown".
The DA codex is unclear exactly when the DW went over to the bone white scheme; it was supposedly long ago, and the full history is part of "The Tale of Two-Heads-Talking". I think you're right that it happened after the Fall, but am not sure. That said, I went with the bone scheme because it looks good, and part of my fluff is that my Fallen Terminators are some of the hardest-core bitterest badasses in my force, and that they deliberately wear the bone white scheme (and some captured armor) in open mockery of the Deathwing, and to continue sowing confusion among ignorant observers about who is whom and whether the DA themselves are evil Chaos-worshippers.  This goes with my general theme of my Fallen army being a dark mirror of my DA force. The Fallen wear the same Deathwing shoulder pad design with a different meaning- the DA symbol with the sword broken, symbolizing the Dark Angels' failure/The Fall.
In case anyone's interested, I'm going to post up the army list/the fluff that goes with it in the Army Lists forum. The tournament in question was very fluff-focused, and wanted background/history on your army, names on units, etc. This was right in my wheelhouse, though, as I made the army back in the early 2000s when GW expected that kind of stuff too.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/353697.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 14:57:48
Subject: Re:New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Mannahnin wrote:and to continue sowing confusion among ignorant observers about who is whom and whether the DA themselves are evil Chaos-worshippers.  This goes with my general theme of my Fallen army being a dark mirror of my DA force. The Fallen wear the same Deathwing shoulder pad design with a different meaning- the DA symbol with the sword broken, symbolizing the Dark Angels' failure/The Fall.
This is one of my favorite parts of 40k fluff. Although, SM are far too common for us, everyone else thinks they are so rare that they often can't tell the difference between chaos and loyalist unless one is yelling 'Blood and souls, etc.' Even battle cries don't help when the Alpha L is around.  Also, Fallen are just cool because you never know where they stand, even with the fairly omniscient player POV.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 16:51:34
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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I seem to remember the last edition chaos codex (4ed?) had some examples of recent traitor marines, which included a Dark Angel model with red X's over any Imperial and DA icons. Think he was part of the Red Corsairs. It was the primary fluff I went with when we had a story campaign that had my DA's turn traitor due to the actions of an Inquisitor. Its your army, do what you want with it.
Loved the Pred BTW. Thats some crazy freehand.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 17:44:47
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Tilter at Windmills
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Thanks! It's easier than you'd think, breaking it down into steps like Dave does. It does take some time, though.
I think the previous chaos 'dex (3.5) gave examples of Red Corsair schemes like that. The current one (released in 4th ed) has a standardized scheme for them, along with Huron. See pages 65 & 71. The apparent Fallen dude I mentioned before is on page 24- a CSM in DA green armor with red lenses, black shoulder pads, in a black robe with a red chaos star on it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 19:21:55
Subject: Re:New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot
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I guess I missed the chaos part, I think my eyes only wanted to see the repentant and defiant part lmao. I initially interpreted your army as like a douche mockery of the DA, so if you detected any hostility in my previous posts that was why. Now that I see you are just going for some interesting fluff and not full on hatin' on the DA, it's kind of a neat army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/16 20:11:10
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Tilter at Windmills
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Cool. I love my DA too. I wind up playing the chaos version of the army most of the time a) Because it's more visually-interesting and I like the look of the Chaos models in it, and b) Because the Chaos 'dex is just more viable from a competitive standpoint.
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More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/05 12:06:02
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Rifleman Grey Knight Venerable Dreadnought
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Very nice.
Just one nitpick... Fallen/Pre-Heres are in black armour...
Deathwing bone was a later alteration in honour of a fallen unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/05 12:28:02
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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I believe he explained the white as an intentional dig against current DA by his forces. They know the color changed and they changed as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/05 20:52:23
Subject: New pics of my Fallen Angels
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Tilter at Windmills
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Yep. AvatarForm, kindly scroll up six posts above your own.
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Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
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