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Howdy all,

I've been working on my BA list for this years 'Ard Boyz and think I might be onto something. Heres what I have:

HQ
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Mephiston - 250 pts
Librarian - Sword/Rage - 100 pts

Elites
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1x Sang Priest - 50 pts
5x Assault Terminators - 1x LC, 4x TH/SS - 220 pts
Furioso Dreadnaught - Blood Talons w/ melta, SB - 125 pts

Troops
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10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts
10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts

Fast Attack
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Land Speeder - HF/MM - 70 pts
Land Speeder - HF/MM - 70 pts
Land Speeder - HF/MM - 70 pts

Heavy Support
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Storm Raven - TWAC, TLMM, EA - 215 pts
Storm Raven - TWAC, TLMM, EA - 215 pts
Storm Raven - TWAC, TLMM, EA - 215 pts

Total: 2070 thus far

Now, I'm looking at fleshing it out. I want to add at least 1 more AM squad with dual melta/pf, but I have no idea where to go from here.... ideas?

lookin for help

I think Storm Ravens are a terrible idea. Sorry to say, but they are giant AV12 targets that will just eat missile launchers, autocannons, and lascannons. From what I see for BA, its either DoA or RBack spam. Not sure you can really make these expensive flyers worth it.

I dont see the point of this list you are not using the sr to its full potential. Drop the termies more priests more assault squads.
Take Baal preds instead of the speeders take assault cannons and hb sponsons they are effective.
Also on the librarian take shield and unleash rage its more effective.

The point of the list is to be a more mechanized version of DoA. Thus far (8 games, various lists) its performed quite well at 1750 and 1850; I intend to try it against razorspam angels, razorspam BT, and mech IG as well.

Yes, they're bullet magnets. But then again, what isn't? Its pretty damn survivable, and its guaranteed I'll get at least 24" up the board before they wreck it. Am's combat squad, drop in, 2 squads go for tank popping, 2 squads hide until I need them to take opbjectives.

Mephiston, furioso, and the termis are my clean up crew, killing what comes out of the vehicles I take down.

Ravens are VERY powerful tools if used correctly. Yes, they aren't "auto-win" buttons, and just like anything else, they have their counters. But unless I'm pitted against LF spam wolves I rarely worry; IG I give the first turn, reserve everything (so long as they don't have the guy that gives me -1 reserves), and then come in where I need to to take down their vendettas. Hydras aren't used much here.

Anyways, I was thinking instead of a third raven, doing 3 las/plas razors or 2 las/plas razors with 1 full strength assault squad. This will give me a few more guns and a few more threats, while not sacrificing my highly mobile elements.

Also, reason I don't run uber amounts of AM squads is they aren't really that killy. They're MORE killy than a normal marine, but still not uber killy. Terminators and mephiston fill that role perfectly. If my opponent can't take down both ravens quickly, they're either eating mephiston or my terminators. Puts my opponent on the defensive!

cowpow16 wrote:I dont see the point of this list you are not using the sr to its full potential. Drop the termies more priests more assault squads.
Take Baal preds instead of the speeders take assault cannons and hb sponsons they are effective.
Also on the librarian take shield and unleash rage its more effective.

You gave me an awesome idea suggesting the Baals Heres my reworked list!

HQ
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Mephiston - 250 pts
Librarian - TDA, SS, Sword/Rage - 145 pts

Elites
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2x Sang Priest - Jump packs, 1x LC, 1x PW - 180 pts
5x Assault Terminators - 2x LC, 3x TH/SS - 215 pts
Furioso Dreadnaught - Blood Talons w/ melta, SB, EA - 140 pts

Troops
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10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts
10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts
10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts

Fast Attack
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Baal Pred - TLAC, HB sponsons - 145
Baal Pred - TLAC, HB sponsons - 145
Baal Pred - TLAC, HB sponsons - 145

Heavy Support
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Storm Raven - TWAC, TLMM, EA - 215 pts
Storm Raven - TWAC, TLMM, EA - 215 pts

2500 on the dot! I can combat squad to make 6 troop choices, have 2 (really) killy squads in ravens, and 2 priests that can hop from squad to squad and provide support. Baals come in where I need em for more effective anti-tank!

Heres another list I've been tooling around with in the back of my mind:

HQ
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Mephiston - 250 pts
Librarian - Sword/Shield, TDA - 145 pts

Elites
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2x Sang Priest - Jump packs - 150 pts
Furioso Dreadnaught - Blood Talons w/ Melta, SB - 125 pts
Furioso Dreadnaught - Blood Talons w/ melta, SB - 125 pts

Troops
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10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts
10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts
10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts
8x Death Company - 2x Power Fist, Lemartes - 360 pts

Fast Attack
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Land Speeder - HF/MM - 70 pts
Land Speeder - HF/MM - 70 pts
Land Speeder - HF/MM - 70 pts

Heavy Support
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Storm Raven - TWAC, TLMM, EA - 215 pts
Storm Raven - TWAC, TLMM, EA - 215 pts

Total: 2500 on the dot

This gives me 2 dreads and 2 super (super) killy squads

Why is the lib the lib the only one with tda?
That has no point.

Drop the lib
I dont like the dc because they are so bloody expensive and they are in a raven and they have a dread on them its what general math thats over 600 points in 1 target!!!!

I would say get rid of the dc they just too expensive.

I suggest get another priest or just take the pack of 1 put anopther squad in the other raven take a lib in 1 of the ravens lib just stock lib.

Put speeders into 1 squad and get 2 Baal preds with twn ac and hb sponsons that should be a lot of fire power for close fire support.

That would be pretty nasty and would work. Just check my math over but in general thats what I would do.

Your last list rocks! One change would be to swap a Furioso Dred for a Death Company Dred. Also, Id drop the libbie all together and 2 DC marines. With the points Id add one thunder hammer and 4 PW's and jump packs to the DC. Lemartes has a JP, thats why. This units hits with 4 S5 I7 and 16 S5 I5 PW attacks, hitting on 3's, rerolling to-hit and to-wound rolls, followed by 3 S9 hammer attacks. This unit rides in one SR and Mephiston rides in the other. Even if the SR's are dropped, these units are still mobile enough.

The dreds hitch a ride as well. On the remaining Furioso, Id keep the Blood fists for added S10 attacks that cant be hooded, adding a grapple points permitting.

An alternative would be to include a Reclusiarch (has an additional attack) instead of Lemartez, allowing you to drop the jump packs, but adding 4 more DC with boltguns or CCW's, these can act as ablative wounds for the PW wielding DC.

cowpow16 wrote:Why is the lib the lib the only one with tda?
That has no point.

Drop the lib
I dont like the dc because they are so bloody expensive and they are in a raven and they have a dread on them its what general math thats over 600 points in 1 target!!!!

I would say get rid of the dc they just too expensive.

I suggest get another priest or just take the pack of 1 put anopther squad in the other raven take a lib in 1 of the ravens lib just stock lib.

Put speeders into 1 squad and get 2 Baal preds with twn ac and hb sponsons that should be a lot of fire power for close fire support.

Libby has TDA to soak up wounds; also, the libby with the DC means hes rerolling hits at str 10 (lemartes ftw). DC work really well if you get them where they're needed.

Also, I'm HIGHLY against squadrons of speeders; it raises the chance to wreck one from 33% to 50%... why would I do that? I don't mind if ones stunned, means they're not shooting my ravens! If I wanted to go Baals I'd go with my first list.

@kaiser: I much prefer furiosos; AV 13 is insane in CC (means grenades can't hurt it)

If you get them where they are needed and the liby will still fail saves after enough shooting hes going down because he wont have fnp.

They are speeders first who bothers shooting at them if you have scary things to shoot at like sr and baal preds.
Most shots will be made from bolters and those will only glance if anything.

Furiosos are awesome but such a pain to get to combat.

HQ
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Mephiston - 250 pts


Elites
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2x Sang Priest - Jump packs - 150 pts
Furioso Dreadnaught - Blood Talons w/ Melta, SB - 125 pts
Furioso Dreadnaught - Blood Talons w/ melta, SB - 125 pts

Troops
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10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts
10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts
10x Assault Marines - 2x melta, PF - 235 pts
8x Death Company - 2x Power Fist, Lemartes - 360 pts

Fast Attack
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Baal Predator - TLAC, HB sponsons - 145 pts
Baal Predator - TLAC, HB sponsons - 145 pts
Baal Predator - TLAC, HB sponsons - 145 pts

Heavy Support
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Storm Raven - TWAC, TLMM, EA - 215 pts
Storm Raven - TWAC, TLMM, EA - 215 pts

Total: 2580

So Gotta cut 80 points to use this list... thinking of cutting lem for a reclusiarch (saves 20 pts) and maybe cutting down the priests to 1 guy. I honestly don't need 2 priests as normally I DS and combat squad. Thoughts?