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Soo it will be a filler codex digital only .. no new stuff :(
That's sad..GK had so much potential on new shiny kits

The Sigillite would be very angry to know that his creation might be used as nothing more than a gimmick to fleece the players!

Codex: Grey Knights 49.50 OR Codex: Inquisition, Codex: Assassins and Codex: Grey Knights for 49.50 each!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Examples that aren't Sisters or Inquisition, or just stop-gap books like that WD Blood Angel Codex?

So, what is your bet: are GK becoming one of the less privileged armies again, or is that just a stopgap codex?

I will bet anyone $1 that GK get both a printed codex and at least one new model for the release. GW is still in the business of making money, even if they make terrible, horrible decisions on a regular basis.

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Soo it will be a filler codex digital only .. no new stuff :(
That's sad..GK had so much potential on new shiny kits

no it won't. There is a ISBN number for the new Codex - says a source in a german forum. He was right about the Spacew Wolves and fenrision Champions ( or what it's called ) books as well. Seems he know someone either from the printing or logistics company for these.

Thalos82 wrote:

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Soo it will be a filler codex digital only .. no new stuff :(
That's sad..GK had so much potential on new shiny kits

no it won't. There is a ISBN number for the new Codex - says a source in a german forum. He was right about the Spacew Wolves and fenrision Champions ( or what it's called ) books as well. Seems he know someone either from the printing or logistics company for these.

So a new hardback codex , less units (Now GK are the most boring army ther is..like the old necrons) no variation at all
no new kits to boost interest in the army , so all GK players will at most by the codex , no new player will start a GK army ..

Sounds really wierd to me , whats the point ? GW

I love the sound of a GK only codex without and Inq etc. Shame I won't be able to field coteaz because I love the model though...

But this supposed 'error' that lead to the leak doesn't necessarily mean that everything we're going to see in the new codex was included in the leak. It's probably a work in progress so just some of what will be in the GK codex was revealed.

Plus points for me so far: Crowe being more expensive - surely this means he is better which must mean he can now join units. Cheaper termies - I will invest in more of those if it means I can field enough to make a viable army. DT landraiders - awesome! Falchions at only 4 points - I feel some remodelling coming on! The DK teleporter being cheaper - excellent! Also, I think I read that the DK can now take two of the same ranged weapon, if so, dual heavy psycannons will go on my DK whether it's optimal or not.

I love the sound of these rumours so far, epsecially if there's no new models, just rules updates. I can't see it myself because new models makes money for GW but I for one hope it's true...

Man... how the mighty have fallen.

I didn't think it were possible to do a worse job than what they did to the Tyranids, and now to the orks.

Well prove me wrong GW...

Maybe Grey Knights aren't selling that well. Probably because EVERYONE bought a ton of them in 5th, and lasting community resentment since then.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
So... They're out there now, people know they're coming so I can talk about them.

It's true that the Inquisition and assassins were cut. Assassins are getting their own update (similar to 4E) which will let them end up in any Imperial Army without necessarily taking an Inquisitor and have some cool narrative missions/kill team missions.

But we're not here to talk about Assassins.

Grey Knights are definitely getting "stripped" of a lot of the bloat they had before, not necessarily the stuff they had.

What I mean by that is this codex is C:Grey Knights, and NOT Ordo Malleus.

The focus is on the marines and only the marines. If you want to recreate existing armies, its not difficult you just use the inquisitor codex alongside it.

The special characters as rumored at gone, BUT the relics section lets you effectively portray them (functionally) on the table. This lets people convert to their heart's content without conflict as to what is/is not the right way to represent one character or another.

Unlike space wolves and Orks there is no follow up supplement for Grey Knights. It's all in the book already.

Draigo makes paladins troops, but they have to be 4 or more models or else remain elites.

Things got a little bit cheaper to bring them in line with the new base marine costs.

Librarians still require terminator armor.

Land raiders are dedicated transports for strike squads as well.

Deep striking via teleport got more precise.

Grand strategies are warlord traits.

There are 2 new kits only one of which is a vehicle

Have some very unique rules for when playing against daemons primary. /Both/ armies get buffs (fluff wise because GKs only show up when the situation is super dire)

So to reiterate: book is about the grey knights and nothing else cluttering it.

If you want the old book, just grab codex: inquisition to go with it.

It's not GWs fault that TOs are limiting people to two sources. The design process was that the book was too bloated with choices that had nothing to do with grey knights, thus didn't need to be there.

Does it mean less options? Sort of, if you only have one book, but in return you get a more balanced army that isn't being weighed against the strength of inquisitorial henchmen when considering the potency of "GK troops," allowing for a much stronger book if you wanted to play just knights.

Crowe doesn't make purifiers troops in the traditional way, but he has a formation that's him with 2-6 units of purifiers in transports.

In this formation he gets a bodyguard of the new unit that are based roughly on his "story" per se and is the only way to give him a retinue as he is not normally an independent character.

More will hit the internet soon I'm sure but that's all I can say for now

Hmm, seems plausible but then it basically takes what has already been shown in the force organiser and extrapolates some very logical conclusions.

Won't be surprised if it's true, won't be surprised if it's fabricated.

I'm really hoping the rumors of a Sanctus Reach Daemon/GK box turns out true, as I'd almost certainly splurge on such a set, unless the Daemon half is purely Nurgle-based...

As a true Tzeentchian, I simply can't bring myself to touch anything to do with Papa Fatty!

 Mysterious Pants wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really find it hard to believe that GW would release a Codex that only removes units and doesn't add any new models.

Agreed. I just can't wrap my head around it.

Maybe we'd be looking at a new, sparse GK Codex, the Inquisition Codex, and an Assassins codex? Doesn't make sense though, seems too sparse to be possible.

yeah... considering we didnt know about all the new space wolf models until fairly recently, I doubt that the rumours of no new models for a major codex release are true at all.

there will be at least one new model if not more, i cant put any credance to the rumour that there will be none.

hmm,

that sounds good (sorry those with old GK armies that rely on the inquisition/assassins parts of the old book)

2 new kits, (1 vehicle, 1 not)

presumably means 3-4 new units as I'm sure there will be one if not two dual builds/unit with character options which could do a lot to compensate for the elements removed

the bad part would be no assassins in the game until they got their own book or dataslate, although if true hopefully it will precede ( or follow) GK like Tempestus preceded Millitarum

If they do do a Santus Reach style box with GK and Daemons, I hope they go for Slaanesh or Tzeentch, they always feel a bit unrepresented.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
If they do do a Santus Reach style box with GK and Daemons, I hope they go for Slaanesh or Tzeentch, they always feel a bit unrepresented.

IF the do then it will be a mix of godtypes and only existing units

Plastic kit will be a clamshell character. New vehicle? Nemsis Doomknight no doubt, a sister vehicle to the Dreadknight. It's a Centurion riding a modified Dreadknight chassis.

I'm disappointed that DE aren't next but if that means that they're putting all their effort into making new models for me then i can live with it. and this goes back to the first page but...

With any luck first item on the list of new DE things will be "Plastic Beastmaster & Friends". In the meantime, we'll be happy with a 1-pose Grey Knight Champion.

 Claimh_Solais wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
If they do do a Santus Reach style box with GK and Daemons, I hope they go for Slaanesh or Tzeentch, they always feel a bit unrepresented.

IF the do then it will be a mix of godtypes and only existing units

Forgot about existing units only , would have been nice to get some new Daemonettes.

 Claimh_Solais wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
If they do do a Santus Reach style box with GK and Daemons, I hope they go for Slaanesh or Tzeentch, they always feel a bit unrepresented.

IF the do then it will be a mix of godtypes and only existing units

But the release of some new kits alongside the boxed set would be a solid bet.

New GDs have been doing the rounds as "ready to go when there's a window" forever, and there was a relatively credible rumour about a new big Nurgle "thing" (which I speculated may be a Palanquin/new Nurgle Heavy Support Chariot dual build) a few weeks back.

Danarc wrote:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
...

So to reiterate: book is about the grey knights and nothing else cluttering it.

If you want the old book, just grab codex: inquisition to go with it.

It's not GWs fault that TOs are limiting people to two sources. The design process was that the book was too bloated with choices that had nothing to do with grey knights, thus didn't need to be there.

Great some anonymous dolt trying to justify this. I didn't buy the Inquisition codex because it was a crappy ass cut and paste job from the GK codex I already have. Now this half-wit is telling me I need to buy TWO codexes just to almost play my old army? And the reason was the old GK codex was too bloated? FU, it wasn't bloated and this new codex with less options is just a pathetic cash grab by GW.

Super Newb wrote:
Now this half-wit is telling me I need to buy TWO codexes just to almost play my old army?

No you don't. You still have the 5th ed GK Codex, do you not? The Inquisition rules are identical save for the Relics, Warlord Traits and priests (And that info is not hard to come by). Just use that and you're good to go.

I agree about the 'bloated' justification, though, a load of nonsense. GK already have less units that most armies, remove 3 characters and 5 units (including Assassins) and even SOB have more, I think?

Also, I bet GW are regretting giving us a whole army from 2 plastic kits a few years ago, as they really can't release anything in TDA or PA for this release.

Curious as to what the vehicle would be. I would hope for a GK specific Dreadnought model, but FW already gives us that.
Maybe a GK version of the Stormfang with all the psycannons, everywhere!

 Paradigm wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Now this half-wit is telling me I need to buy TWO codexes just to almost play my old army?

No you don't. You still have the 5th ed GK Codex, do you not? The Inquisition rules are identical save for the Relics, Warlord Traits and priests (And that info is not hard to come by). Just use that and you're good to go.

Ok, true. Lol. I am not a tournament player so no one will care. Still, I won't be able to field a GK/Inq army with henchmen troops legally with just one HQ so that's annoying.

I agree about the 'bloated' justification, though, a load of nonsense. GK already have less units that most armies, remove 3 characters and 5 units (including Assassins) and even SOB have more, I think?

Also, I bet GW are regretting giving us a whole army from 2 plastic kits a few years ago, as they really can't release anything in TDA or PA for this release.

Lol yup, I am glad Faeit 212 accepts anonymous rumors from people with Down's syndrome, as they shouldn't be discriminated against due to their disability. When they say blatantly false nonsense though I can still point it out.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Curious as to what the vehicle would be. I would hope for a GK specific Dreadnought model, but FW already gives us that.
Maybe a GK version of the Stormfang with all the psycannons, everywhere!

The PsyStorm , with Psycannons and Psyjink..

or maybe the StormKnight, with knightly presence.

Guys, there is no call to pass remarks about Down's Syndrome or other such disabilities. It is rude and hurtful.

Let us keep the arguments focussed on facts.

Thank you.

*sighs* context folks context. when the source said bloated he ment "bloated with non- grey knight units"
there is a sizeable chunk of inqusitional units taking up page space that could be given over to stuff related to the GKs themselves. assuming the source on Nafika's site is ccurate it sounds to me like someone on the actual development team trying to explain why they did what they did. weather or not this'll be good or not I'll wait for the new codex to detirmine, assuming GW continues it's standard dual kit stuff, we're potentially looking at 4 new units, not including the possiability of GKs having access to elements of the space Marine armory (although I'd be suprised if GKs got anything save a storm talon, and even a storm talon might not happen)

Lords of war (who predict the GK new release) after my question about the army builder's images answer:
That's a myth. GK have been set to release after space wolves for 7 months(that we know of). It's a way for the rumor sites to save face after the whole BA then DE thing.

If there are two new kits coming, heres hoping the non vehicle is a generic HQ kit.

i dont see why they would remove the HQs they can be made perfectly fine with the plastic kits. So just do like nork dedog and have a picture of him with specific parts or something in the book, problem solved