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Hello All,

Here is a preliminary list for daemons I am considering building for a campaign I'm hosting for the LGC.

HQ:
Greater Unclean One - 165
Noxious touch, Cloud of Flies

Herald of Tzeench - 90
We are Legion, Gaze, Bolt

Herald of Khorne - 90
Iron Hide, Rending, Chariot

Elite:
BloodCrushers (4) - 170
Rending

Blood Crushers (4) - 170
Rending

Troops:
Bloodletters (7) - 122
Rending
Bloodletters (7) - 122
Rending
Bloodletters (6) - 106
Rending
Plague Bearers (7) - 115
Noxious Touch
Plague Bearers (7) - 105
Plague Bearers (6) - 90

Heavy:
Daemone Prince (1) - 155
MOK, Daemonic Flight



Any and all criticisms appreciated, but please explain your reasoning's so I can make educated decisions.

Paeern wrote:Hello All,

Here is a preliminary list for daemons I am considering building for a campaign I'm hosting for the LGC.

HQ:
Greater Unclean One - 165
Noxious touch, Cloud of Flies

Herald of Tzeench - 90
We are Legion, Gaze, Bolt

Herald of Khorne - 90
Iron Hide, Rending, Chariot

Elite:
BloodCrushers (4) - 170
Rending

Blood Crushers (4) - 170
Rending

Troops:
Bloodletters (7) - 122
Rending
Bloodletters (7) - 122
Rending
Bloodletters (6) - 106
Rending
Plague Bearers (7) - 115
Noxious Touch
Plague Bearers (7) - 105
Plague Bearers (6) - 90

Heavy:
Daemone Prince (1) - 155
MOK, Daemonic Flight



Any and all criticisms appreciated, but please explain your reasoning's so I can make educated decisions.

DP Needs a tune up. Str 5, T5, 5a, but 5++? He's going to drop like a sack of . I'm not a fan of the MoK because your DP has good shooting attacks... from what I've heard (lol). For a choppy prince I'd lean more towards Slaanesh- hit and run, I6, assault/defensive grenades, AND you can still shoot BoC, Daemonic gaze or even a Pavane, although for the price I don't recommend it.

From what I've read you want to field Daemonettes and bloodletters in big mobs or 10+, some people say 15+ for daemonettes, and 5-10 for horrors/plague bearers. This is because daemonettes and letters die hard. t3 with 5++, and t4 with 5++. Ouch. However anything you charge with 10+ daemonettes will feel it under the weight of all those rending I6 attacks, and I've read you only need to get a handful of letters into the enemy to open up a can of whoop ass on them- str5 i5 pwr weapons on the charge leaves me inclined to believe that. I'd drop the noxious touch from the plague bearers, they are more of a ground holding unit than an actual offensive force. I'd make sure you're familiar with hammer and anvil type plays, as plague bearers offensive power is totally derived from the hammer that strikes the solid anvil they form. It's 10p more for your DP to be upgraded. And I'd think about two groups of bloodletters instead of 3, two groups of 10-15. That will be scary!

Outside that the only thing else I would recommend is some of the characters. Skulltaker and the Changling are my favorite ones on paper, especially the changeling at only 5p, and considering his ability he just seems so utterly worth it at only 5p.

Hey there,

Your list is pretty good, however like the previous poster stated - there are a few needless upgrades here in there.
I'll go into a bit more detail.

HQ:

-Your GUO is good, however cloud of flies is a lil pointless, grenades are good - however your I2 - redundant really.
-Your Tzeentch herald should have master of sorcery, so you can split fire. Also this guy should definitely be in a chariot. Nuff' said.
-Your herald of Khorne is good, i'd personally go for another Tzeentch herald on chariot.

Elites:

- These guys should have all upgrades to exploit wound allocation. It's nice having a icon also.

Troops:

-Where do i start..? Well, much of what the previous poster has said is true. Basically if you want to run daemonettes or letters, you need squads of at least 10+. Personally the only troops i run in a competitive game is MSU's of horrors w bolt and changelling and PB's for objectives. The troops look nasty on paper and can be effective, however any decent player will shoot them to bits before they reach CC. I'd run a few squads of PB's for scoring units / objectives, maybe a few 5 man squads of horrors w bolt and one w the changelling and spend the rest of the points on big stuff.

Heavy support:

-Once again I agree with the previous poster, you only have one DP - so it will be a high priority - you need iron hide. MoK is also the weakest king of prince - MoN and MoT are undoubtedly the best. T6 or 4++>an extra attack. Period.

I'd look at getting some fiends also. These guys are brilliant. "Walking tin openers" are what there refered to in my gaming circle. These guys will destroy infantry, elite infantry, MC and most importantly tanks and transports. Theres literally nothing they cant take. GET SOME.

Also i'd look at a Tzeentch DP - for 140 points you get a MC that can fire a S8 AP1 bolt at BS5 with a 4++ that can wreck in CC also. Do it.
Nurgle DPs are also what i field regularly - these guys get expensive, but a T6 flying MC that wounds on a 2+ with a reroll 9 times outta 10 can be worth it.

Anyways, good luck with the list.

BBJ

So looking at your list the main thing that pops out at me is that it is slow. One model in your list can move more than 6 inch's in a turn. Add to that the fact that you have absolutely minimal ranged anti-tank and you are setting yourself up to get hurt by mechanized lists. Especially eldar and dark eldar will be able to play keep away the majority of the game, and it will be hard to catch chimera's and rhinos full of running people.

You need to create your list so that it either has alot of bolts/grinder's or you need to purposely put in units that can catch vehicles.

option a: means tzeetnch heralds on chariots, horrors, tzeentch daemon princes or soul grinders

option b: means fiends, seekers, flesh hounds, daemon princes with wings, screamers or greater daemons except for the great unclean one.

Okay, I have the DP model, but I haven't painted him so he's free to be converted to any mark atm. Khorne just seem to fit the feel of the army.

For a MoT DP i worry I am wasting a beefy character to shoot when I could just take two more heralds of Tz that allow me to put more shots down range. If i went with a MoT DP, do you think i can skip out on the wings? (they are crazy expensive).

I love the idea of a MoN DP, but he get's expensive, more so then the MoT DP.

I'll have to look through the bits box for another model to convert into a herald of Tz, but I can definately get behind the idea of replacing the Herald of Khorne.

Thanks for the suggestion that drop the flies upgrade on the GUO, something I just didn't think through.

Yeah - if i were to take a Tzeentch DP, i'd take him w MoT and bolt only. Some people like to upgrade em' to have daemonic gaze but if you start doing that, you tend to over invest in a unit. For 140 points a tzeentch DP w bolt is the best bang for buck in terms of DPs IMHO. Generally for DPs you'd either want a cheap 140 point tzeentch bolt thrower or a expensive MoN flying assault beast. Alot of it depends on your army and creating balance - personally i'd go for the tzeentch DP in your army as you have little to no anti tank. If you were to take a couple of tzheralds on chariots then you could look at changing to the MoN DP.

As for the grenades for your GUO. Its not completely redundant as you get defensive grenades for denying charging attacks aswell, but its an upgrade you give your GUO if you had points left that needed to be spent - in a daemon army, its a rare commodity as everything is pretty expensive.

BTW - I know i've said this before, but you should seriously consider getting some fiends. These guys have won me games many-a-time.

Post up a new list, so i can have a look at it!

BBJ

If you are going to take an MoK prince, definitely needs iron hide, and you might as well give him blessings, since thats the best part about MoK princes (given all the GK running around nowdays)