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In the Army profiles bit In the newest white dwarf the Tyranid Army has a Chapterhouse upgrade too it.
The tervigon, It may be due too small picture size but they look exactly the same except the couple of gaunts scurrying on the base.

Hmmmmm.

IIRC, WD got caught out a little while back with some Scibor bases too...

filbert wrote:IIRC, WD got caught out a little while back with some Scibor bases too...

Was the website, where one of the user submitted parts wasn't identified and the webmonkey assumed(true or not, I don't know) it was from the urban basing kit.

They put a retraction in the next week I thought, and it was MicroArts Studio.

I wonder if that would invalidate their whole courtcase....not to mention making THEM liable for legal action....I bet Chapterhouse recieved no credit for their work.

Delephont wrote:I wonder if that would invalidate their whole court case....not to mention making THEM liable for legal action....I bet Chapterhouse received no credit for their work.

Ehhh. I dunno about that.
You'd think it would be more on the guy who submits the photos to WD to mention where his stuff comes from, wouldn't you?

If it really is the CH piece, then at best CH could demand that GW print an addenendum in a future WD that mentions that "Suchandsuch's Tervigon was not a scratchbuilt like he stated, but rather a Chapterhouse kit available from <CH's website here>".

Kanluwen wrote:

Delephont wrote:I wonder if that would invalidate their whole court case....not to mention making THEM liable for legal action....I bet Chapterhouse received no credit for their work.

Ehhh. I dunno about that.
You'd think it would be more on the guy who submits the photos to WD to mention where his stuff comes from, wouldn't you?.

I don't know, I mean....it's a publication that is on sale....therefore, GW have the responsiblity to review the articles it is publishing....

I imagine it would be seen it in the same light as a Newspaper publishing lies about a celebrity figure (for example) the celebrity takes the newspaper to court, not the individual journalist.

Delephont wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Delephont wrote:I wonder if that would invalidate their whole court case....not to mention making THEM liable for legal action....I bet Chapterhouse received no credit for their work.

Ehhh. I dunno about that.
You'd think it would be more on the guy who submits the photos to WD to mention where his stuff comes from, wouldn't you?.

I don't know, I mean....it's a publication that is on sale....therefore, GW have the responsiblity to review the articles it is publishing....

I'd agree on that, but user submissions are more they just reprint whatever you tell them. I'd imagine if it really is the Chapterhouse Tervigon kit instead of a scratchbuild (because let's face it: Chapterhouse's Tervigon isn't exactly that original when it comes down to it. There's been plenty of people who've done scratchbuilds of Tervigons using Carnifexes, even before CH had a kit) then there's going to be some kind of explanation as to why the guy whose army it is either didn't tell them or lied about it.

Of course, it's always possible that GW is purposely denying it--but I'd prefer to assume it was just omitted rather than some malice involved.

I imagine it would be seen it in the same light as a Newspaper publishing lies about a celebrity figure (for example) the celebrity takes the newspaper to court, not the individual journalist.

Ehhh. Sometimes the individual journalists do get taken to court not just the newspaper.

If they have indeed used a CH part. you just have to love the irony

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If they have indeed used a CH part. you just have to love the irony

Do you really think the 'Army Profiles' are done on studio armies?

Hint: they're not. They're done on individual gamers or members of the studio.

Now, if it were Jes Goodwin's Tyranid army--then yes. The irony would be hilariously ridiculous.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If they have indeed used a CH part. you just have to love the irony

agreed with you here mate.
Ironic and funny as hell.

Nope Kanners
It is still ironic and very amusing!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Nope Kanners
It is still ironic and very amusing!

It's amusing in that CH's stuff got in there.

Ironic would require it to actually be GW using CH's stuff in the codex.

lol
Now that just seems perverse

Any possibility of pictures from that White Dwarf of the Tyranids.

Delephont wrote:I wonder if that would invalidate their whole courtcase....not to mention making THEM liable for legal action....I bet Chapterhouse recieved no credit for their work.

It's not gamesworkshop created the section is armies created by players.

InquisitorVaron wrote:

Delephont wrote:I wonder if that would invalidate their whole courtcase....not to mention making THEM liable for legal action....I bet Chapterhouse recieved no credit for their work.

It's not gamesworkshop created the section is armies created by players.

I know, I was refering to the magazine itself as opposed to the actual army.....I'm sure the whole thing is just a mistake, but as I was pointing out earlier, if GW publishes a magazine, it (should?) be their responsiblity to edit it correctly and ensure the content is in keeping with company standards....I mean, can you imagine if "somehow" a rude symbol appeared in the centre pages? perhaps even the "user submitted section"....surely GW would be held accountable and not necessarily the person who submitted the picture? surely?

It's not like a user submits something and it goes right in. There has to be a review process and a way to determine what goes in among all the submissions they must receive. I think this was a great find InquisitorVaron.

augustus5 wrote:It's not like a user submits something and it goes right in. There has to be a review process and a way to determine what goes in among all the submissions they must receive. I think this was a great find InquisitorVaron.

There has to be a review process--but at the same time, this isn't a news agency where everything should have to be 'verified'.

You can, for the most part, take people at their word when it comes to the make-up of their army don't you think?

If the guy whose army this was had GW put in an addendum saying that he scratchbuilt the Tervigon and is willing to sell 'kits' of his and it's really the CH kit--then I'd say it's a totally different ballgame.
But even if this is CH's kit, which is fairly generic and the idea of which was being done even before CH's kit was released, and the guy just didn't tell GW I can't see much cause for GW to be the head on the chopping block for this.

Kanluwen wrote:

Delephont wrote:I wonder if that would invalidate their whole court case....not to mention making THEM liable for legal action....I bet Chapterhouse received no credit for their work.

Ehhh. I dunno about that.
You'd think it would be more on the guy who submits the photos to WD to mention where his stuff comes from, wouldn't you?

If it really is the CH piece, then at best CH could demand that GW print an addenendum in a future WD that mentions that "Suchandsuch's Tervigon was not a scratchbuilt like he stated, but rather a Chapterhouse kit available from <CH's website here>".

I wonder if printing a picture of a model with chapterhouse up grades will have any effect in the ongoing lawsuit....

Kanluwen wrote:

augustus5 wrote:It's not like a user submits something and it goes right in. There has to be a review process and a way to determine what goes in among all the submissions they must receive. I think this was a great find InquisitorVaron.

There has to be a review process--but at the same time, this isn't a news agency where everything should have to be 'verified'.

You can, for the most part, take people at their word when it comes to the make-up of their army don't you think?

See, this is why you recieve so much flak on this forum....when it suits your argument, you play the whole "GW is a business and is there to make money, not be your bestest friend", other times, like now, you play the whole "GW isn't like a big company, with real responsibilities...blah blah blah".

Dude, GW is a company with a global foot-print. It produces a magazine which has a primary objective, which is to promote the GW product lines. I'm sorry, if that is in fact a CH product in their magazine, they have the full responsibility for printing it.

If GW is "man" enough to go to court over I.P. infringement, then they also need to maintain every aspect of their own products (including magazines / catalogues) to ensure the same company they are taking legal action against isn't inadvertantly advertised in their own corportate publication....

Now, if you had argued that, this might actually work FOR GW, in so much as, the CH products are so close to the GW I.P. that even GW can get confused and fail to notice when a CH part is used in a mass ranking of GW products...then I would agree with you.

Just looked at CH's Five Heresy Era JPs
http://chapterhousestudios.com/webshop/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=74&category_id=24

These look suspiciously similar to FW's Heresy Era JPs

Think what you will...

Delephont wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

augustus5 wrote:It's not like a user submits something and it goes right in. There has to be a review process and a way to determine what goes in among all the submissions they must receive. I think this was a great find InquisitorVaron.

There has to be a review process--but at the same time, this isn't a news agency where everything should have to be 'verified'.

You can, for the most part, take people at their word when it comes to the make-up of their army don't you think?

See, this is why you recieve so much flak on this forum....when it suits your argument, you play the whole "GW is a business and is there to make money, not be your bestest friend", other times, like now, you play the whole "GW isn't like a big company, with real responsibilities...blah blah blah".

Dude, GW is a company with a global foot-print. It produces a magazine which has a primary objective, which is to promote the GW product lines. I'm sorry, if that is in fact a CH product in their magazine, they have the full responsibility for printing it.

Where did I say that they didn't have a 'responsibility' for printing it? You really need to quit getting all up in arms when you misread intent in my posts.
I said that GW shouldn't have to have a fact-checking process for their user submissions. When it comes down to it: there's no prize for your army being shown in White Dwarf.
There's no reason, whatsoever, that people should be futzing things over in their submissions.
If someone submits something and lies on the submission--GW shouldn't be held solely accountable for it. They don't have the actual army to look at, they have photos and statements from the owner.

At best, if that's the case that happened(like I said) then GW will likely print a retraction.

If GW is "man" enough to go to court over I.P. infringement, then they also need to maintain every aspect of their own products (including magazines / catalogues) to ensure the same company they are taking legal action against isn't inadvertantly advertised in their own corporate publication....

These two things don't actually have anything to do with each other.

But if GW is futzing it over purposely--then that's a dick move of them. But considering they don't usually print anything with third party bits--I'd say it's far more likely the submitter didn't tell them or said it's a scratchbuild(which, bear in mind, it still could be a scratchbuild).

Now, if you had argued that, this might actually work FOR GW, in so much as, the CH products are so close to the GW I.P. that even GW can get confused and fail to notice when a CH part is used in a mass ranking of GW products...then I would agree with you.

Sorry, what? There's no GW Tervigon for it to be compared against.

If it was submitted and said to be the 'official GW Tervigon kit' then I'd be calling bull on it just like you are. The fact is though, there is no GW Tervigon--which would make it an outright lie.

There's only scratchbuilds and third party kits, of which CH's is the most readily used and at the same time most generic. So of course people are going to assume every Tervigon is a CH kit rather than scratchbuild.

I'm simply trying to be freaking optimistic here. Not everything requires malice when there's easier explanations(people lie or don't include the information to begin with).
I'm sure you can understand that concept, yes?


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DaemonJellybaby wrote:Just looked at CH's Five Heresy Era JPs
http://chapterhousestudios.com/webshop/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=74&category_id=24

These look suspiciously similar to FW's Heresy Era JPs

Think what you will...

No way. Forge World made something based off of artwork that's been around for how long now, or that GW themselves once made?

Stop the freaking presses.

White Dwarf isn't a magazine in the generally understood sense.

It's advertising and should be held to advertising not journalistic standards.

Kanluwen wrote: I said that GW shouldn't have to have a fact-checking process for their user submissions.

And that's my point...yes they should have a fact checking process....WD is practically a catalogue of GW products, for their own good (as possibly seen in this scenario) they need to ensure that their main magazine is free from competitor products....pretty simple really.

If anyone could submit articles, based on trust, then if I were Mantic, PP, or any of the others, I'd be submitting my bits to WD as well, hell free advertising is free advertising after all.(An exaggeration for my point of course)

DaemonJellybaby wrote:Just looked at CH's Five Heresy Era JPs
http://chapterhousestudios.com/webshop/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=74&category_id=24

These look suspiciously similar to FW's Heresy Era JPs

Think what you will...

Well considering CH I beleive produced their jump packs before forgeworld.....you have it back wards. Forgeworld's heresy era jump packs look suspiciously like CH's.......(which look similar to GW's old metal ones I still have a couple).

There is only one Tyranid army in the WD June, on page 88. And it doesn't feature CH Tervigon parts but is scratchbuild (only 2 rows of "exhausts", standard front carapace with spikes).

@carmachu, thanks for pointing out my error, for the record, that is what I meant.
(FW jps look like CH's JPs)

Well, GW has used minis from other companies before on their own website: one of their sculptors (99% sure it wasn't sent in by a fan) used the Avatars of War warrior priest to put on his scratch built war altar. It was about a year ago, and worth a nice little chuckle. I remember there was a bit of controversy over that-'how dare a GW employee use another company's mini for his GW project,' and all that jazz.

Kilkrazy wrote:White Dwarf isn't a magazine in the generally understood sense.
It's advertising and should be held to advertising not journalistic standards.

Sig worthy...

Kroothawk wins the post.