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Hey guys! I've started a challenge to play 15 games before the tournament I'm entering in September to learn how to properly play my army! This is my first game of that challenge, and my first game since coming up with a list I'm probably going to stick with. And this is my first battle report ever!! So stick with me

My Army!
Sons of Leonidas

Grand Master w/Halberd + 3 Servo Skulls + Psychotroke Grenade - 205 points
Crowe - 150

5x Purifier - 3x Halberds + 2 Psycannons in Psyback - 196
5x Purifier - 3x Halberds + 2 Psycannons in Psyback - 196
5x Purifier - 3x Halberds + 2 Psycannons in Psyback - 196
10x Purifier - 3x Halberds + 2 Psycannons, 5x Falchions (combat squaded in LR with Grand Master) - 291

Stormraven w/ Melta and Side Sponsons - 235

Dreadnought w/ 2x Autocannons + Psybolt - 135
Dreadnought w/ 2x Autocannons + Psybolt - 135
Landraider Crusader - 255

Total: 1999

His Dark Eldar
(Straight from his list. Just copying it, so please don't ask me questions on it )

Heamonculus w/liquifier - 60

3x Trueborn w/3 blasters - 146
venom w/ 2x Splinter Cannon

3x Trueborn w/3 blasters - 146
venom w/ 2x Splinter Cannon

3x Trueborn w/3 blasters - 146
venom w/ 2x Splinter Cannon

9 Wyches
Hekatrix w/ power weapon
Hydra Gauntlets + Haywire Grenades
Raider w/Dark lance + Flickerfield - 208

10 Wracks w/ 2x Liquifier
Raider w/Dark lance + Flickerfield -190

5x Warrior w/ Blaster
Venom w/ 2x Splinter Cannon - 125

5x Warrior w/ blaster
Raider w/Dark lance + Flickerfield - 130

6x Reaver Jetbikes w/ 2x Heat Lance - 156

5x Scourges w/ 2x Haywire Blaster - 130

5x Scourges w/ 2x Haywire Blaster - 130

Ravager w/ 3x Dark Lance + Flickerfield - 115

Ravager w/ 3x Dark Lance + Flickerfield - 115

Vooidraven w/ 2x Necrotoxin Missiles + Flickerfield - 175

The game was Annihilation, and the deployment was Spearhead. We rolled off and I got first turn (thank god). I rolled for my Grand Strategy, and rolled a 6. Giving the hammer to my Grand Master, Storm Raven and the 10x Purifier unit. Then combat squaded the 10x Purifier unit. 5 with falchions went into the LR with the Grand Master, the other 5 went into the Storm Raven and waited for Deep Strike.

Turn 1.

I deployed my forces in a position where I felt like if my vehicles get blown up, my guys would till have a chance to survive. He decided to leave all of his guys in reserve , so nothing happened first turn.

Turn 2.

My turn was un eventful again. Rolled for reserve on my Storm Raven and got a 3. Decided to not use my +1 from Grand Master, so he stayed in reserve.

His turn, half of his army came on, and most of it just went flat out towards me.

Turn 3.

Rolled for deep stike and brought my Stormraven on. He had no line of sight on anyone unfortunatly. My shooting worked out not too terribly bad. I blew up his Ravager, wrecked 1 venom and 1 Raider. I assaulted out of my Land Raider with my falchion unit and wiped out his biked. The grand master took out 3 right away (thank god for init 7). They struck back taking down 1 purifier. They then slammed them in the face with 16 attacks and wiped them right out.

His shooting went really well for him and due to a miss-understanding, I did something really dumb. He wrecked my Land Raider with a Haywire Blaster. He then shot a bunch of shots from a unit I'm not sure which one at my falchion guys out in the open. (oops). They resisted the torrent of fire only loosing 1 model. Then he hit me with a shot that I thought was a poison shot that ignored my guys armor. So I decided to allocate it on my Grand Master so I could use his ward. After failing it, he told me it was a str 8 shot (not poison like I thought) and my guy was insta dead. He then shot my Stormraven, which also blew up (this thing always blows up before I can do anything with it :( ). He then turned his aim to the crew out of the stormraven, killing 3 of the 5 Purifiers.

Turn 4.

I shot back and did ok. Immobilized his Vooidraven. Got a weapon destroyed and a stunned on his venom. I assaulted the 5 warriors from the wrecked Raider, killing 4 of them and losing 1 purifier. He passes his morale test and stays locked in combat with me (thank god).

He shot back, and blew up one of my razorbacks. Another razorback had its weapon destroyed and was shook.

Turn 5.

This was my worst shooting turn. My 2 remaining purifiers from the Stormraven aim their Psycannons at the scourges coming at them and unload 8 shots into them, killing 1. My other unit of purifiers unloads 8 psycannon shots and 6 Stormbolter shots into his uniit of wyches who's transport was just destroyed. He then made 12 cover saves and 1 fnp save. FML. My dreads blow up his wyches transport. My falchion purifiers try and cleansing flame for the 3rd time this game, and fail again. His warriors end up killing 1 purifier and I finish his unit off.

He shot a missile from his Vooidraven at my purifiers in the crater that was their Stormraven. It scattered and hit is scourges killing 1. He then pulled some multi assault cheese on my purifiers and the razorback beside them with his wyches. Cleansing flame takes out 2 of them. They wreck my Razorback and wipe out my unit. I take only 1 of them down with me due to their damn 4++ in CC and FNP.

I rolled a 5 and the game continued.

At this point, I was so frustrated from us arguing and me feeling like I was getting cheesed out, I forgot to write down what happened for the rest of the game :S

Hopefully the pictures (coming soon) will help me remember and I can finish up the details on turn 6 and 7.

First off congrats on the win. It's good to see a GK player taking the effort to post up reps (unlike myself).

Something I did notice, you mentioned FnP in cc with Purifiers. Remember that force weapons ignore it.

Overall a nice report and a great start. Just remember one thing....there is no cheese.

Did you deploy half your combat squad and reserve the other half in the raven...? if so thats illegal; you deploy all or none of a squad if you combat squad it

Lukus: Thank you. Yea, I'm not very good at writing these yet. The FNP was from Cleansing flame.

Zid: I was un aware of that. I figure that because it was before deployment that you combat squad them, that it would be fine.

You declare reserves before deployment. You combat squad during deployment. So if a unit is in reserve you may not combat squad it. Though they were right about the fnp. No fnp saves vs force weapons.

Finally, very interesting de list. Reading the list i was sure it would easily fail, but it seemed to do better than expected.

Ah. Ok that makes sense. I may have to re-think my list then.

As for the DE list, his list has seriously raped almost everyone he faces. There are so many vehicles and so many threats coming at you, you'd swear it's a 3000 point list.

Yeah, that's one nasty DE list. Luckily for you, the new Grey Knights were made to just eat up DE if you were to go full MSU with 3+ dreads. If anything, most people consider our codex to be the "cheese" or "broken" codex. It's actually a good thing for him that your army is more themed than competitive (it's still a decent build though). Otherwise, he'd be the one fighting an uphill battle most of the time.

jy2 wrote:Yeah, that's one nasty DE list. Luckily for you, the new Grey Knights were made to just eat up DE if you were to go full MSU with 3+ dreads. If anything, most people consider our codex to be the "cheese" or "broken" codex. It's actually a good thing for him that your army is more themed than competitive (it's still a decent build though). Otherwise, he'd be the one fighting an uphill battle most of the time.

Very true! DE are just very fragile and Fortitude really messes up DE players tactics; no stun then move on to shut down like we do vs ig

Hey guys I was the DE player in this game. So Jamora and I are looking to become more serious players and I wanted to see if you all could help us out with the “cheese” that was committed during our game, so we can put an end to it and get on with playing and throwing up more battle reps.

So the setup for this was as follows:

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xxxx
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The I’s being a razorback, o’s being pruifiers and x’s being wyches.


Now my wyches were easily within range (about 4inches or so)of the razorback and I felt that I could pull off a multi charge. Now we’ve never really used this rule before which is why I think there was so much arguing over this one move.

I declared an assault on the razorback and moved my closest wych in. I then proceeded to form a line across the razorback making sure to keep my unit in coherency and moving them no more than 6 inches so that there were 3 wyches on the razorback and the other 5 on the unit of purifiers.

IIIIIIII
IIIIIIII oo
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x x x xxxxx

Now Jamora felt that this was not how multi assaults could be done, where as everything I’ve read about them being used says this is ok. Could we get some clarification?

We decided to play on.


Now for the part Jamora felt was “cheese”. He used the old cleansing flame power proceeds to roll to wound all of the models in my unit and after all is said and done causes 2 casualties. I opt to remove 2 of the 3 in combat with the razorback. He then tells me that I can’t do this but when I question the wording in the book it says attacks the unit not just the models in B2B. I therefore see no problem in allocating the wounds suffered to any member of the unit.

After the argument we play through and I promptly proceed to wreck the vehicle and wipe the unit .

My question is: is this really an issue? And should this be considered cheese?



Anyways thanks for the help guys and hopefully the pics will be up soon!

As soon as I read the lists and saw that the DE had no nightshields I knew they where in for an uphill battle.

Nightshields have turned GKs from one of my toughest matchups to one of my easiest.

CJ-7 wrote:Hey guys I was the DE player in this game. So Jamora and I are looking to become more serious players and I wanted to see if you all could help us out with the “cheese” that was committed during our game, so we can put an end to it and get on with playing and throwing up more battle reps.

So the setup for this was as follows:

IIIIIIII
IIIIIIII oo
IIIIIIII ooo

xxxx
xxxx

The I’s being a razorback, o’s being pruifiers and x’s being wyches.


Now my wyches were easily within range (about 4inches or so)of the razorback and I felt that I could pull off a multi charge. Now we’ve never really used this rule before which is why I think there was so much arguing over this one move.

I declared an assault on the razorback and moved my closest wych in. I then proceeded to form a line across the razorback making sure to keep my unit in coherency and moving them no more than 6 inches so that there were 3 wyches on the razorback and the other 5 on the unit of purifiers.

IIIIIIII
IIIIIIII oo
IIIIIIII ooo
x x x xxxxx

Now Jamora felt that this was not how multi assaults could be done, where as everything I’ve read about them being used says this is ok. Could we get some clarification?

We decided to play on.

It looks legal. When you assault the razor, as long as your other models can reach the purifier squad and still remain in coherency with the model that has just assaulted the razorback, then it's all good.

I find that a lot of people are not familiar with the rules for multi-assaults. It helps to go over it in the rulebook or by asking questions here.

Now for the part Jamora felt was “cheese”. He used the old cleansing flame power proceeds to roll to wound all of the models in my unit and after all is said and done causes 2 casualties. I opt to remove 2 of the 3 in combat with the razorback. He then tells me that I can’t do this but when I question the wording in the book it says attacks the unit not just the models in B2B. I therefore see no problem in allocating the wounds suffered to any member of the unit.

After the argument we play through and I promptly proceed to wreck the vehicle and wipe the unit .

My question is: is this really an issue? And should this be considered cheese?

You played it correctly. You don't necessarily have to remove models in combat with the purifiers, just models that are in the unit. Those models could be out of combat or in combat with another unit as long as it is from the same squad.

Well, the part that I felt was cheese wasn't in fact the models being removed from combat. It was the multi assault situation. From reading the rules, I interpreted that if you are assaulting a target, and there is room to get to that target, you have to hit it. So when it came down to it, and he said he was charging my razorback and then told me he was allocating all wounds to my purifiers, I didn't feel like that should be something he could do.

To be fair though, my understanding of the rules at this point aren't as good as they should be. So near the end I was frustrated by not knowing them as well as I should.

The only thing I will ever say is cheesy is not getting the first turn and holding everything in reserve. Maybe its a viable tactic, who knows. Its just how it feels to me.


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gardeth wrote:As soon as I read the lists and saw that the DE had no nightshields I knew they where in for an uphill battle.

Nightshields have turned GKs from one of my toughest matchups to one of my easiest.

The DE never really had an uphill battle.

Jamora wrote:
The only thing I will ever say is cheesy is not getting the first turn and holding everything in reserve. Maybe its a viable tactic, who knows. Its just how it feels to me.

It is a very viable tactic for many armies, especially Dark Eldar. With such frail transports they need to avoid an alpha strike style list. It isn't always the best thing to do, but if your playing against an opponent that can do some serious turn one damage, it's a good option.

Yea, I figured.

When it comes down to it, CJ-7 is an awesome DE player. I won that game out of sheer luck that it was kill points, and I was able to place some good shots. We may argue about the rules and get frustrated, but he's my best bud, and one hell of a player. I'm sure I'll learn a lot from him, and hopefully when we go to tournaments, I'll be able to do battle reports for both of us and show us on the winning side.