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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Thank the gods, otherwise they'd make Ogre Kingdoms look inadequate in every possibly manner.

And thank the gods as well, they make it so the points I pay for Killing Blow on my Executioners are not wasted!

Really looking forward to seeing rules for the Big guys in the nurgle bunch. One of them just has to be a Great Unclean One or i will be severely disappointed.

 tarnish wrote:
Really looking forward to seeing rules for the Big guys in the nurgle bunch. One of them just has to be a Great Unclean One or i will be severely disappointed.

Prepare to be disappointed then... Granted the Glotkin will make an excellent conversion base for a GUO, but considering we likely only have 1 more week of the Chaos End Times release, those plastic Greaters won't be rearing their heads anytime soon.

Still, I think it's a little silly for Nurgle players to be complaining they haven't got a GUO yet when they've just received an entire 3 week release worth of goodies. If anyone has a right to complain, it's us poor Tzeentch players!
Tzeentch is now the *only* God who has yet to receive a specific marked unit for WoC, while DoC simply put up with being the outright worst mono God army...

Honestly Tzeentch needs more stuff like this:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Honestly Tzeentch needs more stuff like this:

Agreed!

Also, I didn't know that the Keeper model was 2 years more recent. That's... actually kind of depressing. It makes me wonder if the next Chaos Daemons update won't just see 2 or 3 Greater Daemons updated with GW deciding they could get away with leaving 1. Which would probably be the Keeper of Secrets seeing as how they've had an aversion to making Slaanesh models since the Daemonette redesign.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Honestly Tzeentch needs more stuff like this:

Spoiler:

Just use the Empire Battle Wizard!

 Quarterdime wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Khorne has all sorts of crap going for him.

Where the hell is that Tzeentch love?! They're dedicated units are as follows:
-Rubric marines (crap)
-Pink horrors
-Flamers
-Screamers
-2 wizards
-weird chariot flamer thing
-ancient metal greater daemon models.
I don't play demons specifically but new stuff to work with for my Navigator House stuff is nice.

Even though that's all true, Slaanesh has it the worst of them all. Slaanesh dedicated units are as follows:
-Noise Marines
-Daemonettes
-Fiends (only 2 of previously 3 available variations)
-Seekers (with bad rider models that aren't dynamic at all)
-1 Herald
-Chariot
-an equally ancient greater daemon model...

Also,
-Finecast, not metal
-Each god has a named herald that has a model. They're all consistent with the current range except Epidemius (Nurgle, ironically!)

Generally speaking, there's a lot of things to fix with the chaos daemons as a miniatures product line. Even moreso if you consider god-specific models in general. At least in 40k.

Just thought I'd chime in on this. I think its worth noting the number of named characters (most of these new Nurgle releases are named characters after all), and a few generic characters and unit have been missed from your tallies.
Tzeench also has:
-Herald on Disk
-The Bluescribes
-The Changeling
-Vilitch
-Ahriman
-Remeber that Kairos is by far the youngest of the Greater Daemon models, released after Chaos was split in Fantasy 7th/40k 4th edition. I was especially disappointed back then as I had hoped they would make Greater Daemons big, and Kairos was a pretty clear indicator that they wanted to keep them small at the time.
-Galrauch is technically a Tzeench character

Slaanesh also has:
-Lord on boobworm
-Hellstriders
-The Masque
-Sigvald
-Lucious the Eternal

Back on topic, I think the new Nurgle releases have been great. The Blightkings are marked chosen done right. I guess the larger base size was inevitable since its hard enough to get warriors to rank up as it is. The Maggoth lords look great, I'd love to have one as a centrepiece for my army (and thats a big call coming from someone who used to be a pure Tzeench player), although I'm surprised they are all Chaos lords. I would have expected one herald and one bray shaman. One of them looks like a big nurgling, and the sorcerer is even painted with beastmen skin tones. I'm also surprised we only get three named lords and its not a generic mount option (although the Mortarchs were the same I suppose).
I'll wait for more photos before commenting on Glottkin.

Am I the only one that wants to make a giant chariot of nurgle out of these?

Experiment 626 wrote:
Tzeentch is now the *only* God who has yet to receive a specific marked unit for WoC, while DoC simply put up with being the outright worst mono God army...

Khorne DoC would disagree with you.

 quickfuze wrote:
Am I the only one that wants to make a giant chariot of nurgle out of these?

The maggoths? I think Morbidex Twiceborn would make a good substitute for a Herald of Nurgle on a palanquin for either a 40k or WHFB Chaos Daemon army and Bloab Rotspawned sans Bloab would make a good counts as Defiler of Nurgle.

 quickfuze wrote:
Am I the only one that wants to make a giant chariot of nurgle out of these?

Maybe not. But I'm not on board with that idea. It'd either need to follow new Beasts of Nurgle models or involve rot flies, and those are too huge as it is for the chariot to have a good silhouette. If you want it to be an End Times release then Maggoths still more or less present the same challenge. Not to mention Nurgle still has yet to get a palanquin outside of Third Edition Epidemius. Ideally, the next Chaos Daemons update should have no new units but instead provide models for existing units, like Herald on Palanquin, Herald on Seeker, Beasts of Nurgle, Fiends of Slaanesh, and most importantly of all the four Greater Daemons.

Saldiven wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Tzeentch is now the *only* God who has yet to receive a specific marked unit for WoC, while DoC simply put up with being the outright worst mono God army...

Khorne DoC would disagree with you.

Khorne armies don't have the majority of their damage output potential tied to the most random phase of the game... His only problem are the majority of his options being badly over-pointed.
Try being the poor idiot who goes an entire game with no more than 6 power dice per magic phase!

 Kirasu wrote:
Its not difficult to correlate bad rules to weaker sales.

It had very, very weak sales. Bad rules, high price point. Based on information from my stores, other retailers, a distributor, and GW, this model had very low sales.

So i'll back Mr. Kirasu's statement up.

 mikhaila wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Its not difficult to correlate bad rules to weaker sales.

It had very, very weak sales. Bad rules, high price point. Based on information from my stores, other retailers, a distributor, and GW, this model had very low sales.

So i'll back Mr. Kirasu's statement up.

It was certainly fun to paint, though.

The Glotkin will indeed be accompanied by the End Times book. Not sure if it was confirmed already or not, but we won't have to wait yet another week to get in in hand.

Suppose that also confirms the fact that it's going to be a purely Nurgle release, so that's somewhat a bummer.

Well noone has posted it yet on here so I geuss I will here is the UK prices and stuff. Found on the interwebs lol

This weeks pre-orders:
The Glottkin (€86/£66)
Warhammer: Glottkin (Book) (€52/£40)
End Times: The Fall of Altdorf (Black Library)
The Bane of Malekith (Black Library)
There are also two bundles (I'm guessing) for 40K.

SO that confirms the same price as Nagash for Glottkin
Not sure if the Glottkin will contain rules or if its just a straight up fluff book.

That's...odd?

It's one thing bringing out a shiny book for one of the cornerstones of WHFB lore and charging a premium over the standard Armybook/Codex price for it as well as a high price band model. It's another to fabricate something new and expect people to be enthusiastic enough about it to spend that sort of cash.

 Azreal13 wrote:
That's...odd?

It's one thing bringing out a shiny book for one of the cornerstones of WHFB lore and charging a premium over the standard Armybook/Codex price for it as well as a high price band model. It's another to fabricate something new and expect people to be enthusiastic enough about it to spend that sort of cash.

Are you referring to the price of the Glottkin? Or the book #2 lore book? (if it is indeed a lorebook only)

If it follows the pattern of the Nagash release, the book will be rules and lore - Warhammer: Nagash certainly did, so we have a model which will require a £106 investment to take full advantage of the model and rules and none of the heritage to enthuse people.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Well noone has posted it yet on here so I geuss I will here is the UK prices and stuff. Found on the interwebs lol

This weeks pre-orders:
The Glottkin (€86/£66)
Warhammer: Glottkin (Book) (€52/£40)
End Times: The Fall of Altdorf (Black Library)
The Bane of Malekith (Black Library)
There are also two bundles (I'm guessing) for 40K.

SO that confirms the same price as Nagash for Glottkin
Not sure if the Glottkin will contain rules or if its just a straight up fluff book.

Is "Warhammer: Glottkin" the same as End Times: Glottkin?

I doubt it will be just a lore book, as it will at least have rules for a Chaos Legion, and probably have special rules for a bunch of characters, as well.

 Azreal13 wrote:
If it follows the pattern of the Nagash release, the book will be rules and lore - Warhammer: Nagash certainly did, so we have a model which will require a £106 investment to take full advantage of the model and rules and none of the heritage to enthuse people.

Ah okay I see what you are saying.
I agree I mean this new models doesn't have what Nagash had in terms of history but I still think people will purchase the book.

Was the nagash book and end times 1 combo £40? I don't think so since the Ibook version is £50. It would make sense if the fluffbook is much less substantial which would be fine since nearly 300 pages for the first end times book was extremely large.

Seems odd that they'd make a book for some new character called "Glottkin".

Awesomeness!

Getting the book from GW, the Black Library book that supplements the lore in the bigger book, and possibly the Glottkin model. Love me some WHFB!

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
If it follows the pattern of the Nagash release, the book will be rules and lore - Warhammer: Nagash certainly did, so we have a model which will require a £106 investment to take full advantage of the model and rules and none of the heritage to enthuse people.

Ah okay I see what you are saying.
I agree I mean this new models doesn't have what Nagash had in terms of history but I still think people will purchase the book.

Was the nagash book and end times 1 combo £40? I don't think so since the Ibook version is £50. It would make sense if the fluffbook is much less substantial which would be fine since nearly 300 pages for the first end times book was extremely large.

The interactive digital versions have regularly been more expensive than their physical counterparts. Not always, but on several occasions.

I can't check however, as due to the 'unique' way GW sells us things, the physical book is no longer listed in the web store.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems odd that they'd make a book for some new character called "Glottkin".

I agree. I was hoping for an End Times: Archaon with new giant models of Archaon and his Heralds to go with it.

Is it possible that there will be this End Times book, another couple for Defenders of the Light (Men/dwarfs) and Elves, then finish with End Times: Archaon in which Archaon and Nagash have fisticuffs.

This doesn't explain what will happen to the likes of Orcs, Ogres, Skaven, Lizards though...

Personally I would LOVE for them to come out with plastic kits for all of the Greater Daemon types, be even cooler if they made it so each kit had alternate bits to turn it into a god specific Daemon Prince!

Looks pretty much like a few end times books to advance storyline, test some new rules (combined mount format) and get people used to combined legion forces. Then release new whfb with new advanced plot line, invalidate all army books and end times books and start selling new format combined race army books. Less army books means a tighter release schedule between editions. So you end up with shorter releases between editions for both 40k and fantasy.

That's enough tinfoil hat for now though.

You think they'd do an "Elven Kingdoms" and a "Kingdoms of Man" style book, making them all-in-one?