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A question to all you fluff experts out there.

Have there ever, in the 40k universe, been guard units eqiupped with power armor, ah la the Sisters of Battle? Obviously inquisitors and henchmen get their hands on the stuff, as do the sisters themselves, but is there precedent for a special tactics unit - maybe Stormtroopers - being geared out with the stuff for a mission?

Dan

Guard unlikely. PDF? Yes, there's an example of a PDF equivalent run by nobility whose officers wear light power armor in Dark Heresy.

I could see it a possibility for PDF but not for Guard...
Inquisition forces? Well they're a touch different so almost anything is possible...

I wonder if a guard unit that uncovered a cache of the stuff and started using it would be deemed heretical and purged.

Maybe mega high up people like Creed could get it,but I don't think an average Joe could get outfitted.Inquisitors are a different breed entirely.If they want PA,they get PA.There isn't even they question of "What if I don't?".He will get Pa.

Deadshot wrote:Maybe mega high up people like Creed could get it,but I don't think an average Joe could get outfitted.Inquisitors are a different breed entirely.If they want PA,they get PA.There isn't even they question of "What if I don't?".He will get Pa.

SoB use it all the time and i'm pretty sure Creed outranks them.

wonkobaggins wrote:I wonder if a guard unit that uncovered a cache of the stuff and started using it would be deemed heretical and purged.

No. The guardsmen likely wouldn't be able to use it, if they could then once they reported in they would have the armour taken off of them.

purplefood wrote:SoB use it all the time and i'm pretty sure Creed outranks them.

Creed outranks Sisters like Creed outranks Astartes or Skitarii. They're outside of Creed's command structure-- the most that Creed can do to the three organizations is ask them to play along with his plans.

Sisters aren't a part of the Guard. Creed, like any other Imperial Guard officer, does not have the authority to order them around.

Holy Mother of The Eemperor!



Suddenly Guardsmen are cool again?!!!

What do you mean "again"? They've ALWAYS been cool!

Melissia wrote:What do you mean "again"? They've ALWAYS been cool!

+ 1



Who can't love those brave men and woman giving their lives so that Humanity can exist?

They are stupid.Basically,the commanders say"everyone,run out am wave your arms untill the guns are pointing at you!"

And the Guardsmen say

"Ok"


Waddle off into nNo-man's lande

"Hello!Please shoot!Cause I don't give a feth"-BANG

Deadshot wrote:They are stupid.Basically,the commanders say"everyone,run out am wave your arms untill the guns are pointing at you!"

And the Guardsmen say

"Ok"

No, they most assuredly don't. Both the officers and the guardsmen themselves are far smarter than this on average.

If the disobey,then they get shot.The officer willingly sacrifices all his soldiers to win the war.

Deadshot wrote:They are stupid.Basically,the commanders say"everyone,run out am wave your arms untill the guns are pointing at you!"

And the Guardsmen say

"Ok"


Waddle off into nNo-man's lande

"Hello!Please shoot!Cause I don't give a feth"-BANG

Good sir. I believe you just described nids.

But from all the fluff i think the best standard guard could get is carapace.

Deadshot wrote:If the disobey,then they get shot.The officer willingly sacrifices all his soldiers to win the war.

Not every officer is Chenkov. But if a Lord General has to sacrifice regiments to bring the war to a swift end-- he will. Whether or not he likes it is a different matter, personal feelings cannot get in the way of one's goals.

Victory over the enemy is his goal. The Lord (or Lady) General will do what it takes.

Deadshot wrote:The officer willingly sacrifices all his soldiers to win the war.

Like everyone else ( hence even US army... ). But most Guardsman just hold the line to allow civilian population to flee and seek shelter.
To me, giving my life to protect others - there can be no grater sacrifice. If you can't do that they you have no honor and you are good only for bullet in the head.

Yjere is honour,but not intelligence.Surely there are other ways to win than throwing away billions of lives?I prefer the SM method,were each man lost is a grevious blow.

The Guard have quite a bit more strategy than you give them credit for, Deadshot. If you wanted to get into a "who's better" competition, then the Marines would have a lot of black marks against them that wouldn't apply to the Guard. It's all a personal preference issue.

Deadshot wrote:Yjere is honour,but not intelligence.Surely there are other ways to win than throwing away billions of lives?I prefer the SM method,were each man lost is a grevious blow.

The spacemarine method only works because is is used by spacemarines.

KingDeath wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Yjere is honour,but not intelligence.Surely there are other ways to win than throwing away billions of lives?I prefer the SM method,were each man lost is a grevious blow.

The spacemarine method only works because is is used by spacemarines.

Yeah, so true. I mean look at eldar. *snickers*

In the Eldar's defence, in most cases they are able to spring easy victories by attacking in areas lacking major resistance, therefore most standard 40k matches involving Eldar imply that a farseer screwed up or something. And even then their no pushover, or at least they shouldn't be...

The day my IG get Power Armour is the day the get Power Chain-Bayonets....

They dont get PW cause if they did, then why the **** would they need space marines?

Melissia wrote:

purplefood wrote:SoB use it all the time and i'm pretty sure Creed outranks them.

Creed outranks Sisters like Creed outranks Astartes or Skitarii. They're outside of Creed's command structure-- the most that Creed can do to the three organizations is ask them to play along with his plans.

Sisters aren't a part of the Guard. Creed, like any other Imperial Guard officer, does not have the authority to order them around.

He might not have authority written down on a piece of paper but very few individuals will refuse to obey an order given by him...

well we do have to understand that once upon a time, Humanity had a lot of power armours and it was not just for the pure and mighty Space Marines.

Guards with power armour are COOL, but not practical (IMHO) for all ranks. I see Kaserkins and Stormtroopers with that gear not all guardsman.

And thank God they did not place this stuff in the IG codex... otherwise it would be really unstoppable.

Guard don't get armor because it's impractical to give the 100,000,000,000,000+ guardsman fancy shmancy power armor. The Imperium doesn't have the resources necessary for such a thing, if they did, it would have been done.

KOS wrote:Stormtroopers with that gear

I wouild argue with that.If they were wearing heavy PA,then they would need a whole lot more fuel for those rockit jet things.

wonkobaggins wrote:I wonder if a guard unit that uncovered a cache of the stuff and started using it would be deemed heretical and purged.

One does not simply put on power armor. it's a bit more complicated then a tux...

purplefood wrote:He might not have authority written down on a piece of paper but very few individuals will refuse to obey an order given by him...

It would be framed as a request, not an order. Creed isn't a bumbling idiot (despite being management - who knew?). Assuming the request wasn't too radical, I would expect Cadia's Ecclesiarchy to accede with good grace - and where the Adeptus Ministorum points, the Sisters of Battle follow in the name of Him On Earth. But it's all hypotheticals.

On the topic at hand, I think an argument could be made that if a world was both Imperial-level hi-tech (or littered with caches of DA technology), and feudal in government, it might potentially raise a company of Power Armoured soldiers within a fresh-founded regiment. But the costs involved would mean it would have to be the vanity project of the Planetary Governor. In mechanical terms, the only way I can think to represent it would be in an Apocalypse setting, to field a force that's predominantly Imperial Guard, with a suitably impressive IG model to counts-as Coteaz from C:GK, and 6 squads of power-armoured Acolytes representing the power-armour guardsmen. But the power-armour guardsmen themselves would be a massive conversion project, and a pretty cool one at that.

Deadshot wrote:Surely there are other ways to win than throwing away billions of lives?

A billion people is a small price to pay for the Imperium.