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Hello Dakka, I was recently having a conversation with someone who knows someone who fills an important position at White Dwarf. According to his contact in WD contact there is going to be a Tyranid update in the magazine similar to the Vampire Count one that happened recently. There will be a new unit included in the issue that is designed to fill gaps in the current codex, with the rules being written by Phil Kelly.

Take it with as much salt as you like, but as a nid player, I hope this is true!

We've already heard. The rumour came from the White Dwarf editor. It's in another thread floating around.

Why in God's name would they add a new unit and an entry in WD for it when they could just release a unit that is already in the codex and many people have been begging for? Tervigon anyone? Tyranofex even?

Might be a kitbashed option or maybe another variant model in a tervigon kit? Any idea when this is supposed to happen?

Tyranid players around here have given up with the latest codex and are using the last one...

Mick

What are Tyranids? They a new Marine chapter?

If they were, they'd get all their models on release, and new models and codex every edition

As they aren't.. they are fethed, like all the other Xenos races

Anything to make my 'Nids more competative is welcome!

Loki wrote

We've already heard. The rumour came from the White Dwarf editor. It's in another thread floating around.

Do you have a link to that thread? I looked but couldn't find it.

augustus5 wrote:Why in God's name would they add a new unit and an entry in WD for it when they could just release a unit that is already in the codex and many people have been begging for? Tervigon anyone? Tyranofex even?

Yeah, this would have been much nicer...

GW, Y U NO FILL GAPS IN CODEX??!!

Maybe they just gave up on it, like the players did.

How can you guys complain that the current codex sucks and argue against an update in the same breath?

Because thats how things work around here. If anyone was ever happy, the world would end!

Well I can't really see one unit making that much of a difference, unless it has a pp that can give units assault grenade or something that yet again help deep striking / out flanking
Maybe we get a new FAQ with this that isn't utter crappy ?

I still play the new Tyranids codex and I have converted my own Spods, Tervigon and Tyrannofex. Thus I don't need any new GW models even if they publish them now. Most keen players are probably in the same position.

I'm not aware of units that need to be added to the army list so much as weaknesses and bad organisation of the units already in it. There is enough wrong with the book that a complete revision rather than a single new unit is needed to make it tier 1.

However the Codex Tyranids has been discussed at length elsewhere and there is no point rehashing everything now.

Just to say I think GW are utter fools for not releasing models for the Tervigon especially when the book came out. It's obviously one of the best units in the army and only a bunch of clowns could think a model would not be really popular.

Kilkrazy wrote:I still play the new Tyranids codex and I have converted my own Spods, Tervigon and Tyrannofex. Thus I don't need any new GW models even if they publish them now. Most keen players are probably in the same position.

I'm not aware of units that need to be added to the army list so much as weaknesses and bad organisation of the units already in it. There is enough wrong with the book that a complete revision rather than a single new unit is needed to make it tier 1.

However the Codex Tyranids has been discussed at length elsewhere and there is no point rehashing everything now.

Just to say I think GW are utter fools for not releasing models for the Tervigon especially when the book came out. It's obviously one of the best units in the army and only a bunch of clowns could think a model would not be really popular.

I agree to a point, the minis are somewhat kitbashable as mentioned and proper kits immidiately would have been nice. It just depends on what resources were available to produce the kits at the time. Same as everyone, I wish all the units in all the codexes were available off the shelf but there has to be an element of reality brought back to the discussions. GW is not the size of Apple.

While yes, there's no point releasing something new when everyone is waiting for Tervigons and Tyrannofexes, a thought occured.

There is a unit that can be added that fills a gap no other unit in the codex does.

Ground transport. Basically, ablative protection for assault broods like every other army gets. If it's Phil Kelly doing it, who actually gets the fluff, I have a small glimmer of hope we see a 'bio-tank' return. Specifically, a Malefactor.

New, fills a role the codex lacks, potential for a dual kit to bring about another old bio-tank.

More bugs? Yes please! I can live with no competitive army I don't care for such things I can live with them not releasing all models ( I will sculpt them myself) but what is really making me not so thrilled about collecting Nids is the GW biz model of releasing a dex and years of silence are to be expected until they talk about nids again... so new bugs is always a good step in the right direction since it keeps my interest in alert...

Oh forgot to say if its a finecast bug than good luck with that I will not touch it with a stick.

Unfortunately GW were unable to release their Tervigon kit (see my other comments elsewhere) as they had intended and so are having to make do with a White Dwarf bolt on.

Essentially the WD rules will be a Tervigon and something else, and the kit will make both models, a bit like the new Ogre Kingdoms monsters.

At least this is what I have been told, don't know if it's true or not.

There may also be another much larger Tyranid kit coming out too.....

So maybe they tried making a Tervigon/Tyrannofex combo kit and it didn't quite work out, so they're making new rules for the not-quite-a-Tyrannofex bits?

StraightSilver wrote:Unfortunately GW were unable to release their Tervigon kit

Why do people keep repeating this as if it were fact?

Because if you say something three times on the internet, it becomes true.

UltraPrime wrote:Because if you say something three times on the internet, it becomes true.

Candyman.
Candyman.
Candyman...

...no, I didn't mean it....ARRRGGGGHHHH!

AesSedai wrote:Do you have a link to that thread? I looked but couldn't find it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/399700.page first post (summary)

kitch102 wrote:Andrew Kenrick, our wonderful WD editor himself, and one of his colleagues (Phil I think? Not sure, will find his picture and confirm) hinted at a possible Tyranid release. This will not be the fabled 2 wave, but will fill a gap in the codex. However he also said "but then it may not be a gap filler, but an altogether different model with it's rule set to be released in white dwarf". Nid players... don't read too much in to this, there aren't enough facts to get excited about, but equally I don't think someone in the know such as Mr AK would say sometihng's coming when it's not. Again, no dates were hinted at.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

StraightSilver wrote:Unfortunately GW were unable to release their Tervigon kit

Why do people keep repeating this as if it were fact?

Because he is the source of this and I believe him (that this is GW's view, not that they were really unable that is).
Here the full quote:

In terms of US copyright a concept or idea cannot be copyrighted, so the idea of a Doom of Malantai model, or a Tervigon, or a jetbike seer council weren't protected until the models were released.

When Chapterhouse beat GW to it by making these models it appeared it may affect future GW releases and on legal advice GW held back some of their releases until they could prove unequivecally that they had total ownership.

BTW here the best two currently available options for a Tervigon:
http://chapterhousestudios.com/webshop/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=100&category_id=34
http://www.puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=31

The fact that the chapterhouse Tervigon is up there as 'the best' of whats available is really sad, because it's up there with the worst models I've seen. And none of this is making me warm to chapterhouse either. At least they could lift their game and make their models worth buying.

-Loki- wrote:The fact that the chapterhouse Tervigon is up there as 'the best' of whats available is really sad, because it's up there with the worst models I've seen. And none of this is making me warm to chapterhouse either. At least they could lift their game and make their models worth buying.

This. Frankly Chapterhouse has not really impressed me enough to warrant purchase of their products, though I can see their appeal.

Any idea on the timeframe for this "gap-filler" for the nids? Don't think I've seen anyone mention that.

I hope its in December, as November is full with Necrons and apparently January is full with Vampire Counts.

If that is true then that's fething brilliant*, isn't it? Most of us either like Chapterhouse or don't really mind them either way even if we don't use their bits, but by holding new models "hostage" and blaming it on Chapterhouse beating them to the punch, it's a good way to turn us against them and lose them a little money.

And it would appear to be working, too.

-Loki- wrote:And none of this is making me warm to chapterhouse either.

lord_blackfang wrote:How can you guys complain that the current codex sucks and argue against an update in the same breath?

I hesitate to call a WD addition an "update", really, since it's likely going to be a single model and nothing else. Now if they updated the Tyranid FAQ and ruled the opposite way on a couple of things to go along with it, then maybe they would be elevated to "decent" from "utter crap".

As of now I really don't see how one new model will make the army any better so I'm not too excited.


*Well, about as "brilliant" as pissing off your own fanbase and losing money in the process could be, anyway.

Sidstyler wrote:If that is true then that's fething brilliant, isn't it? Most of us either like Chapterhouse or don't really mind them either way even if we don't use their bits, but by holding new models "hostage" and blaming it on Chapterhouse beating them to the punch, it's a good way to turn us against them and lose them a little money.

And it would appear to be working, too.

-Loki- wrote:And none of this is making me warm to chapterhouse either.

Chapterhouse don't need GW to make me dislike their products. The terrible sculpts to it for them.


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Sidstyler wrote:As of now I really don't see how one new model will make the army any better so I'm not too excited.

As I said earlier, if it's a competitively (heh) priced transport, then it should be very interesting. An MC transport sitting at T5 with around 3-4 wounds, a 3+ save and something t circumvent instand death could be excellent.

The original rumour is mentioned in the GD:UK news thread..

Andrew Kenrick hinted at this rumour to me at GD:UK last week, he said that it was possibly going to be a gap filler, though possibly also a new unit given an entry in WD similar to the Terrorgheist.

As of now I really don't see how one new model will make the army any better so I'm not too excited.

Don't want to sound too pessimistic but I'm guessing it's just to make nids the flavour of the week, something to get people buying nids again once they add "this incredible monstrosity" to their army.



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THough I do think that giving the nids something to combat poison attacks (and thus make them more resilient against DE) could strike a chord with nid players (I'll hand that one out to you guys to debate... Wdyt?)