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So after seeing the third or fourth "Why does everyone hate Ultramarines?" or "This is Why We Hate Ultramarines!" thread, I thought I would take up a little poll to see how many people actually do hate the Ultramarines. Now, this isn't a matter of wondering WHY people hate or don't hate the Ultramarines. The question is, how badly do you hate Ultramarines, based on the totality of their rules, their background, and the people that play them? Note that the question is not in regards to Space Marines in general, but to Ultramarines in specific.

I don't hate Ultrasmurfs, I just hate some of the D-bags that happen to be Ultrasmurfs. its purely coencidence that there are alot of Smurf D-bags.

I dont hate the Ultramarines, infact I actually like them. I just hate the way Matt Ward writes about them

I like all Ultramarines except Sicarius. Seriously, that man is a douchebag.

Im liking the way this poll is turning out so far....

We will see what happens but it's feeling like one of those "vocal minority" situations.

The Objective Tau Hatred thread sure was, Tuttle. I voted for 'Ambivalent,' by the way. While I love the look of the Ultramarines, and enjoy them in game terms, I find them somewhat lacking in fluff. They are better as a force of nature rather than as characters. I prefer to see them less as 'people,' and more as 'something that happens to people.' The Codex of a previous edition (3rd?) gave at the the end the schedule of an Ultramarine's day, which included 15 minutes for personal thought. That pretty much sums it up right there.

Would I want to live on a world in the Ultramarine empire? Oh yes. In point of fact, if I had to live in 40k, that's where I'd like to go, please. Would I want to be an Ultramarine? Not on your life.

I'm the same as coolyo, ultramarines are fine with me except for sicarius, the guy's good at what he does and that's being a superb commander and all around douchebag...

Galdos wrote:I dont hate the Ultramarines, infact I actually like them. I just hate the way Matt Ward writes about them

This men knows how I feel.

I don't hate ultramarines, some of my best friends are ultramarines!

Well, 'ere we go then. I hate Ultramarines. First one to actually own up to this. But hear me out before saying "haters gonna hate"

I think they are vastly overrated in the vast majority of their fluff. Roboute Guilliman and his codex astartes was fine I suppose, being back in the HH days, but now?
Lets not talk about how they're obviously the best at everything that any marine ever did now. Calgar holding an Ork horde for en entire day and night by himself? Let's playtest that now shall we?

I also think its ridiculous how Ultramarines almost always come out victorious because they're the literal poster boys of GW advertising (Orks come close second I think). And of course there's the classic Ultramarine player who believes wholeheartedly that his army is the best army, and that any other marine army is only good if its being changed to ultramarines.

Maybe if the fluff was toned down a bit, then I'd be fine with them.

Jimsolo wrote:So after seeing the third or fourth "Why does everyone hate Ultramarines?" or "This is Why We Hate Ultramarines!" thread, I thought I would ... make another one

I've gotta say that they're my favourite army, I started with them ten years ago, changed army a few times, but I always go back to them. Started up after a few years hiatus and I'm back in blue. The fluff is great, the characters are great, the colours are great and the UM models are just amazing.

I don't like then. They tried to Screw with too many things after the Heresy.

I play against a guy who regularly goes super fluff happy with his 2nd company army. It's cute at first but over time all that blue just makes you want to go strangle a puppy.

As much as they are the GW posterboys, they are not the fluff posterboys. They get as much fluff as the other "main" SM chapters.

DoctorZombie wrote:As much as they are the GW posterboys, they are not the fluff posterboys. They get as much fluff as the other "main" SM chapters.

I don't know about that. The only other chapters that get as much fluff are the chapters that deviate from the Codex Astartes, like the Space Wolves and Blood Angels. Among Codex Chapters, the Ultramarines are the ultimate exemplars of all that is Space Marine and superawesomebadass.

For the record, I love the Ultramarines to death. They were my first army, and I originally painted them as Ultramarines because that was what they had on the box (I was in 5th grade). Since then, they've grown on me quite a bit fluff-wise, and I keep coming back to them.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:So after seeing the third or fourth "Why does everyone hate Ultramarines?" or "This is Why We Hate Ultramarines!" thread, I thought I would ... make another one

Actually, I didn't ask why people felt anything. All I did was post a poll, which the majority of people have answered without posting anything. Like in the Tau thread before it, I'm not interested in why those who hate or don't hate Ultramarines feel the way they do, I'm interested solely in the numbers. Specifically, I want to know if people actually despise the Ultramarines as much as the internet would have you believe.

I like Ultramarines. I don't think that I would actually ever play them, but I like their place in the universe.

So far it is a nice bell curve. Interesting

Yeah it is! It's a lot more even than the Tau thread was. The validity of these polls isn't perfect, but it's still better than nothing. When someone complains about something, I like having an objective measuring stick to determine whether or not they are in the "wronged and outspoken victim" category, the "has a valid point" category, or the "vocal minority trying to shout loud enough to be seen as the majority" category. I'm not throwing judgements on other peoples' opinions (at least not yet!) but its interesting to see the results.

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Lord Rogukiel wrote:And of course there's the classic Ultramarine player who believes wholeheartedly that his army is the best army, and that any other marine army is only good if its being changed to ultramarines.

Maybe if the fluff was toned down a bit, then I'd be fine with them.

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I have one of those in my local GW. He is my friend. Decent painter. Freaks out at the "scary" things like Dreadknights and Hive Tyrants and Titans and must kill them at all costs. The squadron of Bandblades or carnifexes or Broadsides are nothing.

He insists that Smurfs "are the best thing since sliced bread." Even when I take 265 points worth of Termagants and defeat Calgar, Calgar "had the flu."



Burn the boys in blue is my new favourite slogan.

I like them due to their Greco-Roman nature, and their high level of organization. My dislike of them stems largely from how the fluff for them was written by our spiritual liege, Mat Ward. While I think that a slight deviation from the codex isn't really a punishable offense...eh...its just rather silly, I've never been a huge fan of binding, seemingly pointless rules.

As Warsmith Honsu in the Ultramarines Omnibus once said
"An Ultramarine! In the Eye of Terror!? What did YOU do? Turn the wrong way on the drillfield?"

DoctorZombie wrote:As much as they are the GW posterboys, they are not the fluff posterboys. They get as much fluff as the other "main" SM chapters.

Really, go look at Codex:SM, the Iron Hands only get 1 or 2 small paragraphs and no SC: the Crimson Fists get more never mind the 85% of the fluff and models featured which are ultramarines.

I don't hate the ultraboys, I just can't stand the 2nd Company and Papa smurf and their post-heresy actions.

I dont have problems with the Ultramarines.
Only with Calgar.

There is no way to objectively hate the Ultramarines because all Ultramarines hate is based on the absolute dumbest reasons possible, and much of them rooted in misinformation or gross misinterpretation.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:There is no way to objectively hate the Ultramarines because all Ultramarines hate is based on the absolute dumbest reasons possible, and much of them rooted in misinformation or gross misinterpretation.

And is this comment supposed to be objective? All the people who dislike ultramarines have given valid, proper reasons. I'm actually happily surprised that everyone's getting along despite different opinions. Don't ruin it by starting to insult people.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

DoctorZombie wrote:As much as they are the GW posterboys, they are not the fluff posterboys. They get as much fluff as the other "main" SM chapters.

Really, go look at Codex:SM, the Iron Hands only get 1 or 2 small paragraphs and no SC: the Crimson Fists get more never mind the 85% of the fluff and models featured which are ultramarines.

I don't hate the ultraboys, I just can't stand the 2nd Company and Papa smurf and their post-heresy actions.

Look at the BL novels. The codexes are a small part of the whole 40k fluff.

I have no problem with them. For every annoying bit of Mat Ward fluff, there's an interesting and different take on them. I'm thinking of THQ's idea there, and that to me is what they'd probably be like.
I understand why people might dislike them, but a lot of the hate they get feels undeserved or, in some cases, a clear example of bandwagoning.
Overall, neutral to them.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:There is no way to objectively hate the Ultramarines because all Ultramarines hate is based on the absolute dumbest reasons possible, and much of them rooted in misinformation or gross misinterpretation.

And is this comment supposed to be objective? All the people who dislike ultramarines have given valid, proper reasons.

No, no they haven't. They give the same reasons every time. And every time, they're still for absolutely idiotic reasons, mostly rooted in misinformation or misinterpretation.

Your post above being a classic example of this. You know, because Calgar is the only Special Character with an absurdly over the top series of background stories. Or that they "almost always come out victorious" (oh wait, they don't, and wait, the Space Marines are the protagonists of the setting and typically win no matter what chapter). And then, lastly, hating them because of some fictional gamer type nobody has ever met, and sounds like an invented cardstock person. So yeah, I'm spot on.

I dislike them, don't hate, just dislike. It's not even their fault really, I just feel to much attention is given to them, instead of to a variety of marine chapters that are all radically different, or to even a variety of species and factions. The recent White Dwarf model and 25th anniversary model were quite nice though, Blood Angels and Crimson Fists taking in some sun