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Heya,

Being a 40k fan and member of the forum for a while now, I know of course that Khorne and the most zealous of his followers hate Psykers... a lot.
BUT, I have been thinking and wondering why there shouldn't be any Psykers who praise and/or follow Khorne.
Here are some of my thoughts:
1. Khorne represents fury and anger. I am pretty sure that Psykers are also subject to these emotions.
2. Many of wh40ks Psykers are very competent close combat fighters. Both in fluff, almost all Scriptors or Chaos sorcerers are pretty bad ass combatants, even without their powers. I mean, Mephiston, is probably one of the 40ks lore (game rules') strongest CC fighters and he is a psyker.
3. Not every follower of Khorne seems to be a berserker, so why not have a Chaos sorcerer who follows Khorne and is totally into slaughtering stuff, but uses his psychic powers to help?
4. Just because you follow Khorne, doesn't mean Khorne likes you. So technically, you could have a bunch of psykers who digg Khorne, but simply never get any love back because Khorne doesn't like them.

So in conclusion, aren't Psykers of Khorne at least somewhat acceptable?
I'd love to hear some opinions.

I don't think Khorne cares from where the blood flows, so long as it does.

I get the impression that Khornate forces have a similar attitude to psykers as the Imperium does: they don't like them, but they will use them.

As I understand it, Khorne's disdain of psykers stems from martial pride. So, flinging around psykery or sorcery and killing people isn't going to cut it alone.

Now, if the psyker was rushing their opponent with a force weapon, and using their abilities to enhance their direct combat abilities, that would feel more appropriate.

Khorne is intrinsically opposed to psykers in any form. It used to be a bit of background that their followers and daemons wore special brass collars that disrupted psychic activity around them. The World Eaters killed every Librarian in their legion before turning to Khorne.

I agree though, it does make summoning daemons a bit of a contradiction..

In Black Crusade, it says that psykers who try to pledge their souls to khorne are immediately destroyed by his wrath. So according to fantasy flight a khornate psyker is an impossibility.

Pacific wrote:Khorne is intrinsically opposed to psykers in any form. It used to be a bit of background that their followers and daemons wore special brass collars that disrupted psychic activity around them. The World Eaters killed every Librarian in their legion before turning to Khorne.

I agree though, it does make summoning daemons a bit of a contradiction..

I'm not sure if it was official GW fluff or not (so don't quote me on this) but I did once read somewhere that khorne followers dont directly summon daemons, but instead the daemons are attracted to the battlefield by the bloodshed going on in the name of khorne. So basically the bloodshed summons the daemons rather than a direct act of summoning done by the followers.

You're going to hate me for saying this, but SEPTUMSEMPTRA!

do you hear the voices to wrote:In Black Crusade, it says that psykers who try to pledge their souls to khorne are immediately destroyed by his wrath. So according to fantasy flight a khornate psyker is an impossibility.

However for those psykers who are truly bloodthirsty enough to fight and do things the khorne way, they aren't killed. First their powers are sealed, and than their psyker energy is pumped throughout them in order to make them physically stronger and brutish, but even after the sealing they will never be able to channel powers outside of their body.

And if a psyker dedicated himself at the last minute of his ascension to khorne, he will lose all of his powers upon becoming a daemon prince.

How do the Berzerkers board the ships if they murder every psyker in sight? I have never wrapped my mind around that nugget. They are aboard ships. Medication?

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

do you hear the voices to wrote:In Black Crusade, it says that psykers who try to pledge their souls to khorne are immediately destroyed by his wrath. So according to fantasy flight a khornate psyker is an impossibility.

However for those psykers who are truly bloodthirsty enough to fight and do things the khorne way, they aren't killed. First their powers are sealed, and than their psyker energy is pumped throughout them in order to make them physically stronger and brutish, but even after the sealing they will never be able to channel powers outside of their body.

And if a psyker dedicated himself at the last minute of his ascension to khorne, he will lose all of his powers upon becoming a daemon prince.

What book is that in?

Khorne won't outright kill psykers who pledge to him as far as I know, but they do lose all of their powers. This of course doesn't mean that they can't use force swords as far as I know, but everything else is nixed.

@ Pacific- Is the World Eaters killing their librarians new material? As far as I knew, the World Eaters kept their librarians but they were relegated to counting kills of the legionnaires and also they had to fight as well.

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

Vladsimpaler wrote:Khorne won't outright kill psykers who pledge to him as far as I know, but they do lose all of their powers. This of course doesn't mean that they can't use force swords as far as I know, but everything else is nixed.

@ Pacific- Is the World Eaters killing their librarians new material? As far as I knew, the World Eaters kept their librarians but they were relegated to counting kills of the legionnaires and also they had to fight as well.

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

I seem to recall reading about the Librarian murders in the 3.5 codex, but it's definitely in the 4th ed one, page 31.

If you remember Dawn Of War (the first), Sindri worships Khorne, yelling "Blood For The Blood God!" shortly before his ascension to daemonhood.

do you hear the voices to wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

do you hear the voices to wrote:In Black Crusade, it says that psykers who try to pledge their souls to khorne are immediately destroyed by his wrath. So according to fantasy flight a khornate psyker is an impossibility.

However for those psykers who are truly bloodthirsty enough to fight and do things the khorne way, they aren't killed. First their powers are sealed, and than their psyker energy is pumped throughout them in order to make them physically stronger and brutish, but even after the sealing they will never be able to channel powers outside of their body.

And if a psyker dedicated himself at the last minute of his ascension to khorne, he will lose all of his powers upon becoming a daemon prince.

What book is that in?

One of the old 2nd/3rd edition chaos fluff. I can't remember the exact book though.

I think Khorne doesn't like psykers due to their usual association with Tzeentch.

This is how I pictured it( sorry if there is some fluff that contridicts it) Khorne doesnt like psychers because once they fall to chaos they go to Tzeentch to become sorcerers which is what Khorne hates because they spend most of their time hunting knowledge and not spilling blood, but if a psyker does not go the way of the sorcerer then and joins Khorne then he loses most of his power as someone said earlier, it is just locked away and what not, any way thats what happens to psykers imho. Oh and I beleive the WE actually enslaved their Librians instead of killing, but I think they wouldve killed them instead "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" and all that fun stuff

Pretty sure there are champions of Khorne that make use of "psychic" powers.

Not the kind that the 1k sons used, y'know the whole preordaining, scrying, witchcraft stuff. Or how librarians and people use them. Not the kind where you would focus enough and erase someone's memory or mentally fry someone's brain.

More in the primal sense of psychic powers like a psychic shout (Thu'um, or in Blood Gorgons), maybe lightning? More bursts of power rather than finesse. Y'know what i mean? Sorry if i made no sense

Aren't there loads of examples of Khorne worshipers using sorcery in Dan Abnett novels? I'm pretty sure there was a 'blood witch' in Blood Pact at least.

All of the chaos gods are basically psychic beings, so there is some internal contradiction there. Khorne does reside in the warp, after all, and his demons are essentially magical beings. He can also create magical devices like the Collar of Khorne which protect his followers from psychic powers, and he grows stronger when essentially magical acts of worship, like beheading ALOT of people at once, are performed by his followers. Nonetheless, no true follower of Khorne would ever dabble with psychic powers. Even for a moment.

Khorne dislikes magic and psykers.

You could work some fluff around it to make it make sense.

e.g (what i use for my all khorne army when i field a sorcerer)
He is a follower of khorne that can summon khornes might into 1 fell blow that can vanquish the toughest of foes (force weapon)

He can summon the wrath of Khorne to throw himself into a blood frenzy. (warptime)

Id usually say the Khornate Lord bound them to him.

Summoning Daemons using Skull Temples or Icons is different to using psychic powers, you're doing it through ritual. Tears in realspace are also ways that Daemons of Khorne can get through and the amount of Blood Letting carried out when the armies of Khorne get going is enough of a conduit for the Daemons of Khorne to join in. Check out Legion of the Damned, it's a great read dealing with a Khorne Blood Crusade and a cameo by the Damned dudes themselves.

I don't seem to recall their being any specific Librarians of Khorne, as he detests the witch for it's cowardice, but you could have a Sorcerer of undivided leaning towards Khornate tendencies. Huron Blackhearts Sorcerer, Garlon Souleater seems to like Blood and Skulls and there were Khornate Sorcerers in one of the Dawn of War games.

There's this guy, Scyrak the Slaughterer, who killed the last Librarian.

Citadel Journal 20, 1997, pg. 91-96.

"As part of a bloody sacrifice to their new master, the Librarians of the World Eaters were hunted down and killed by their brother Marines, as Khorne despised all practitioners of the sorcerous arts. The killing came to a head when World Eater hero Scyrak the Slaughterer slew the Legion's Chief Librarian, thus removing the last obstacle to the Legion's bloody fall."

Come to think of it, they do kill, and maim., but I dont see any burning. Like what if they lite up the chain axes with fire?
Also in game you can do Khornate pysker it makes me rage but still works.

Khorne doesn't hate 'magic' specifically, he hates certain kinds of magic. EG basically wizards and people like wizards. Magical weapons, armour, devices, etc. seem perfectly okay. And magic that mutates you or enhances your physical prowess, durability, and all around ability to kill seems to be okay as well. I'm not 100% sure where priests fit either, but I imagine Khorne has his priesthoods somewhere.

A psyker who dedicated himself to Khorne might be one of those who goes in for 'physical augmentation' type psychic powers.. strength or speed or endurance boosting, or maybe regeneration, or something of that type. Its debatable whether such woudl be (say) throwing lightning or fireballs. Maybe shooting a gun with bullets that emitted lightning or fireballs, but thats about it.

I'm fairly certain that a biomancer could make a fine champion of khorne... enhancing their muscles and agility for close combat, growing hammerhands, causing the enemy's blood to explode while still inside of them splattering massive amounts of gore and blood everywhere...

Connor MacLeod wrote:
but I imagine Khorne has his priesthoods somewhere.

The priesthood of Khorne is the warriors, everytime you go to war you enter the "temple of Khorne" which is why you dont see alot of temples to Khorne, because he doesnt want any. To Khorne, building a temple even to him is a waste of time because you are not spilling blood!

The priests are men screaming khornate slogans while killing.

Well a lot of people said what I understood it as. Khorne doesnt care for them, he kind of hates them. However that doesnt mean he wont use them. If a Psyker starts charging into combat and going one on one with SM warriors with a sword, Khorne isnt going to care.

Khorne hates it when a psyker uses his powers for mass destruction and kills the enemy through his powers. If the Psyker simply uses it to buff himself or summon reforcements and then charges the enemy. Khorne will be pleased.

As already stated "He does now care how the blood flows, only that it does"


Oh and World Eaters =/= Khorne. They are dedicated to Khorne but just because they do something does NOT mean that is what Khorne wants them to do