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 mitch_rifle wrote:
I really wish forgeworld could have a bigger influence on the easthetics, rules and direction of regular 40k

 mitch_rifle wrote:
also that giant flying stingray is hideous

Slight contradiction there, but I know what you mean

They're up

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff

The details of these models are really great, but I agree with others here that the helmets look kinda goofy. The Death Corps still looks cooler. I am kind of sad that Skomorowski had to do the models, I really would like him and Eagan to focus on Heresy characters ...

They're probably nice models, that colour scheme is horrible though. Grey cloth with silver armour makes it all blend together in unfortunate way. They'd probably look great in red and bronze.

They look gritty and realistic, which isn't what I imagined at all. I was expecting some gaudy gold armour with red trim.

Also, in an age where every able warrior gets the Astartes treatment, who are the guys filling the ranks of the Solar Auxilia? Soldiers who don't make the Space Marine grade? Humans who don't want to be superhuman? Un-modified Terran soldiers who somehow survived the Age of Strife and Unification Wars? They should be rarer than gold dust, which also makes me suspect their numbers and their combat capability.

Kind of sad that the majority come with the arms and heads attached as it will make it harder to add in specials or pose variations, but still very nice indeed.

I'm not personally a fan, but they're fine I guess. Their existence does give me hope that FW will eventually make Skitarii.

 endtransmission wrote:
Kind of sad that the majority come with the arms and heads attached as it will make it harder to add in specials or pose variations, but still very nice indeed.

I guess that explains why you get 20 of them for £68 whereas the equivalent amount of Tech-Thralls costs £104.

 Fireball wrote:
I am kind of sad that Skomorowski had to do the models, I really would like him and Eagan to focus on Heresy characters ...

They have been a labour of love for him. These were (at least initially) done at home in his free time over a period of months.

 Koppo wrote:

 Fireball wrote:
I am kind of sad that Skomorowski had to do the models, I really would like him and Eagan to focus on Heresy characters ...

They have been a labour of love for him. These were (at least initially) done at home in his free time over a period of months.

Interesting ... if he has done the other Solar Auxilia models (flamers, elite) as well, he must be a workhorse ...

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
They look gritty and realistic, which isn't what I imagined at all. I was expecting some gaudy gold armour with red trim.

Also, in an age where every able warrior gets the Astartes treatment, who are the guys filling the ranks of the Solar Auxilia? Soldiers who don't make the Space Marine grade? Humans who don't want to be superhuman? Un-modified Terran soldiers who somehow survived the Age of Strife and Unification Wars? They should be rarer than gold dust, which also makes me suspect their numbers and their combat capability.

You still have to be genetically compatible and young enough to start the treatments so they are effective.

If I didn't already have a sizeable IG army, I would be all over the Solar Auxilia. The problem being that if I didn't already have a sizeable IG army, I could have also said that about the Elysians and Death Korps!

By the way, the "Do Not Touch" signs on the display boards disappointed me slightly. I thought the whole venue would be packed with polite Englishmen who wouldn't dare consider such dreadful behavior. You're slipping, England. Before you know it, the whole lot of you will be acting just like those slovenly, ill-mannered colonies

is that inluding us?

 the shrouded lord wrote:
is that inluding us?

Absolutely. Ass-hattery is not limited by one's flag.

I'd like to call our attention to the Chaos Dreadclaw Drop Pod, and have a quick question. The rules were apparently vague on how to play it, and this has Ben cleared up in IA13. Do the SM have a Dreadclaw, and do you use the updated, clearer rules as they are the same?

 reds8n wrote:
If FW would release those crates, storage units and similar scatter terrain bits etc etc I think they'd sell well.

You'd think so.

I really thought that they threw the baby out with the bathwater when they purged basically all of their old terrain kits. I get that they all didn't sell and took up a lot of warehouse space...which is why you just focus on a more limited selection of your strongest kits? *shrug*

 the_Armyman wrote:
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By the way, the "Do Not Touch" signs on the display boards disappointed me slightly

The signs don't refer to the models but are reminders about personal space to those attending.

Otherwise one runs the risk of bumping into another gentleman or even perhaps soiling his brogues with a careless footfall.

And if this happens there's a great risk of a "Reparation Ring" forming as both -- or more in the event of a truly catastrophic blunder involving more than a pair of unfortunates -- parties become effectively stuck in an endless loop of apology and dismissal of the requirement of same.
The linguistic equivalent of a Rat ( or squirrel) king : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_king_(folklore)


It seems funny at first but people have starved to death in these situations in the past.

 gorgon wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
If FW would release those crates, storage units and similar scatter terrain bits etc etc I think they'd sell well.

You'd think so.

I really thought that they threw the baby out with the bathwater when they purged basically all of their old terrain kits. I get that they all didn't sell and took up a lot of warehouse space...which is why you just focus on a more limited selection of your strongest kits? *shrug*

According to a pic/comment on FB a lot of people expressed an interest, so they said they'd pass this onto the plastic division.....



.... call it now : either dataslate or Codex : Crates 6 months from now.

One of my favorite images (that I'm too lazy to find) by Jes Goodwin for "Battlefleet Gothic" was of designs for Imperial Officers and Crew of the Navy - the trusted Ratings (Able Void-men?) wore helmets that looked like those of an old diving suit, with the heavy brass helm.

These Solar Auxilia would be perfect representatives of them - equipped for fighting in the oxygen-deprived hallways of a breached and boarded starship.

Scott wrote:
One of my favorite images (that I'm too lazy to find) by Jes Goodwin for "Battlefleet Gothic" was of designs for Imperial Officers and Crew of the Navy - the trusted Ratings (Able Void-men?) wore helmets that looked like those of an old diving suit, with the heavy brass helm.

These Solar Auxilia would be perfect representatives of them - equipped for fighting in the oxygen-deprived hallways of a breached and boarded starship.

There's this piece by Blanche:



And google found the Jes Goodwin sketch on this blog:

Is it just me or are those paint jobs below the other HH display model work and pretty much just good tabletop quality?

Scott wrote:
One of my favorite images (that I'm too lazy to find) by Jes Goodwin for "Battlefleet Gothic" was of designs for Imperial Officers and Crew of the Navy - the trusted Ratings (Able Void-men?) wore helmets that looked like those of an old diving suit, with the heavy brass helm.

These Solar Auxilia would be perfect representatives of them - equipped for fighting in the oxygen-deprived hallways of a breached and boarded starship.

I was thinking the same thing. If I wouldn't have dozens of unfinished projects already, I's start a Rogue Trader detachment using these models.

Well, if I remember correctly, when these were first previewed, it was mentioned that they did specialise in void warfare, hence the diving suit style. It would appear they have branched out from that initial idea and filled out the fluff more, turning them into a more general elite section of the Imperial Army. They have tanks now after all.

 Lockark wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
They look gritty and realistic, which isn't what I imagined at all. I was expecting some gaudy gold armour with red trim.

Also, in an age where every able warrior gets the Astartes treatment, who are the guys filling the ranks of the Solar Auxilia? Soldiers who don't make the Space Marine grade? Humans who don't want to be superhuman? Un-modified Terran soldiers who somehow survived the Age of Strife and Unification Wars? They should be rarer than gold dust, which also makes me suspect their numbers and their combat capability.

You still have to be genetically compatible and young enough to start the treatments so they are effective.

Not to mention there is a limited capacity of each legion to actually process recruits, so only so many actually get selected for selection anyway, and only on certain planets, usually Terra and the Legion in question's home world. These still leaves a massive pool of recruits to choose from. Oh, not to mention the Astartes doesn't take female recruits.

 warboss wrote:
Is it just me or are those paint jobs below the other HH display model work and pretty much just good tabletop quality?

Spoiler:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
They look gritty and realistic, which isn't what I imagined at all. I was expecting some gaudy gold armour with red trim.

Also, in an age where every able warrior gets the Astartes treatment, who are the guys filling the ranks of the Solar Auxilia? Soldiers who don't make the Space Marine grade? Humans who don't want to be superhuman? Un-modified Terran soldiers who somehow survived the Age of Strife and Unification Wars? They should be rarer than gold dust, which also makes me suspect their numbers and their combat capability.

I should point out that at the time of the Heresy, there's LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of humans. And a Space Marine Legion numbers in the 10s of thousands range to 100K+ , not in the gazillions or whatever.

 warboss wrote:
Is it just me or are those paint jobs below the other HH display model work and pretty much just good tabletop quality?

Nothing wrong with them IMO. Bear in mind that not all of the guys and girls in the GW/FW Studio are not all Golden Daemon etc etc winners in there. I think the standard at which the models get painted while not to everyone's tastes, is certainly good enough to look presentable on the tabletop. Which for the most part, is what the hobby is about isn't it?

@ Prestor Jon - wow, hadn't seen the Blanche image before, thanks for posting.

@ Crimson - yes, definitely fitting for Rogue Trader RPG.

 gorgon wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Is it just me or are those paint jobs below the other HH display model work and pretty much just good tabletop quality?

Spoiler:

I think it's you (well, you and maybe the color scheme they chose). Look closely at them and their details, and remember the size of FW human models. It's not the best painting ever seen from GW/FW, but those look a lot better than some of the HH models they've painted in the past. Rampagers anyone?

I'd say it's probably down to color choice. The grey cloth and grey armor tend to blend together. If you look at individual sections, like the leg armor for example, it's actually very well highlighted. More contrast between the armor and undersuit would make a world of difference. A lot of FW studio schemes are very dull and grimy, if technically proficient.

I like the look of the Auxilia, but I have the same problem with them that I do with some of the Ad Mech stuff: they look far too steampunk. Now, the 30K/40K aesthetic is often times barely sci-fi in general, but these just look completely out of place.

 Guildsman wrote:

I'd say it's probably down to color choice. The grey cloth and grey armor tend to blend together. If you look at individual sections, like the leg armor for example, it's actually very well highlighted. More contrast between the armor and undersuit would make a world of difference. A lot of FW studio schemes are very dull and grimy, if technically proficient.

Definitely.

I like the look of the Auxilia, but I have the same problem with them that I do with some of the Ad Mech stuff: they look far too steampunk. Now, the 30K/40K aesthetic is often times barely sci-fi in general, but these just look completely out of place.

Oh, my feelings are completely opposite, I feel Elysians and Cadians look way too modern. Solar Auxilia fit perfectly, as pointed out earlier there already is older artwork of similar looking troops. Weird, anachronistic look of the Imperium is a big part of the appeal of 40K to me.

 LutherMax wrote:
There's loads of tutorials online for building crates, containers and suchlike. Or if you have more money than time there are some small outlets in Europe that produce cheap resin kits. I have I really cool one myself (as yet un-built), bought from a Polish company. Alas I can't remember the name but will endeavor to find it...

Slightly off topic but a few peeps were interested in resin containers and I found the website I got mine from:





http://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=279

 Crimson wrote:

 Guildsman wrote:

I'd say it's probably down to color choice. The grey cloth and grey armor tend to blend together. If you look at individual sections, like the leg armor for example, it's actually very well highlighted. More contrast between the armor and undersuit would make a world of difference. A lot of FW studio schemes are very dull and grimy, if technically proficient.

Definitely.

I like the look of the Auxilia, but I have the same problem with them that I do with some of the Ad Mech stuff: they look far too steampunk. Now, the 30K/40K aesthetic is often times barely sci-fi in general, but these just look completely out of place.

Oh, my feelings are completely opposite, I feel Elysians and Cadians look way too modern. Solar Auxilia fit perfectly, as pointed out earlier there already is older artwork of similar looking troops. Weird, anachronistic look of the Imperium is a big part of the appeal of 40K to me.

I suppose you have to bear in mind that not all the planets under the IoM are at the same stage of development, and that some forge worlds design aesthetics are different to others.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned how the hands/weapons go onto the arms. Anyone who has assembled a lot of FW Krieg or Elysians will, like me, be weeping tears of gratitude for not having to try and line up arms and weapons, followed by copious amounts of greenstuff to make the shoulder joins look acceptable.

I feel aesthetically they really fit into the 30K universe as a whole, and are somewhat stylistically congruent with Mechanicum design and Thunder Warrior mark power armour.

Yes but they're Solar auxilia, which means their recruiting world is Terra or at least the Solar system- obviously there are billions of un-augmented soldiers, but I thought the whole point of Space Marines was that the Emperor mostly fought using them during the Age of Strife/Unification War period. Seems weird to have non gene-augmented 'elite' troops.