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whalemusic360 wrote:Honor Guard for Mephiston? You know he isn't an IC right? Regardless I want to see it though

You can take an Honor Guard unit for every HQ unit on the table. They don't necessarily have to be in coherency with the HQ. Also, named characters fall under the Special Character rule, which specifies they fall under the upgrade or independent character special rules. So he can be attached to an Honor Guard squad.

EDIT: I can't post in this blog without worshiping the ground that Eggroll walks on. Eggroll, you are a god amongst mere mortals. You inspired me to pull the trigger on an airbrush and compressor.

Also while I'm editing I might as well ask, how do you go about stripping a paint job with simple green?

I love your work dude, can't wait for more!

depends on what you want to strip,

whalemusic360 wrote:Honor Guard for Mephiston? You know he isn't an IC right? Regardless I want to see it though

Yeah I think I've read that somewhere before but since I don't play, it's ok by me. The look and standard for the guys I'm working on suites them to be designated as mephiston's HG so that's how I'm painting them. I had photos of the bare plastic models a few pages back I think.

peebzguy wrote:
EDIT: I can't post in this blog without worshiping the ground that Eggroll walks on. Eggroll, you are a god amongst mere mortals. You inspired me to pull the trigger on an airbrush and compressor.

Also while I'm editing I might as well ask, how do you go about stripping a paint job with simple green?

I love your work dude, can't wait for more!

Heh thanks peebzguy. Good to hear you're getting into airbrushing as well. Be sure to post your progress and results.

For paint stripping, I just drop a few models in container of simple green and leave it there for a few days...or weeks depending on how lazy I am. Then I just take an electric toothbrush to them. Sometimes I find it takes a few rounds to get them completely clean but it does a good job without harming plastic.

Finished off the Honour Guard for Mephiston. The HG is for Mephiston is for theme/looks only as it's been pointed out the game rules don't allow him to take any. The standard bearer is one of the few models I've done so far that uses some modding of parts - the banner comes from the empire general box from the WH fantasy range.

One thing I haven't done is painted anything on the shield of the banner, haven't figured out a good design for it yet so that guy is still a work in progress for now.

Also gave all these guys power weapons coloured green instead of the usual blue of my other BAs just to add some variety and make them stand out as HG units. Trim and helms are also painted gold which I believe is accurate to the fluff. Anyway onto the pics:

Looks great. I like the colors and the blending you did on the power weapons. Nice job.

By the Emperor! Hang on let me pick my jaw off the floor. You never cease to amaze me Eggroll. Your work always inspires me to go that extra mile with my own projects.

whait, wha? WHAT HAS AWAKEN ME!! THOU SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN!

oh, Eggroll's awesomeness woke me.
That, I forgive

Outstanding work, as always, Eggroll.

Jaw-dropping.... wow.

*bow*, *grovel*, *worship*

Very awesome Eggroll, only one thing though - the person who pointed out that Mephison can't take an Honor Guard is dead wrong, if you read my reply to his assertion at the top of the page. For every HQ unit on the table, you may take an accompanying Honor Guard so long as you adhere to the force organization chart and stay within allotted point value. Also, Mephiston follow's the Special Character rules, and all they say is that he is treated as an Independent Character and is Unique (you can't take two Mephiston's, in other words). Therefore, he can take an Honor Guard and he may be attached to the squad, so they are treated as a single unit if he is attached.

I looooooooooove the green power weapon look, especially because they are Honor Guard and for that reason should stand out from the rest of the army. You could almost make the same argument for the Sanguinary Guard because all of their armor and weaponry are from the early days of the Chapter. My airbrush comes today!

I thought that Mephiston was not an IC, but essentially a monstrous creature in human form. As such, attaching him to a unit is a no-no.

Gitsplitta wrote:I thought that Mephiston was not an IC, but essentially a monstrous creature in human form. As such, attaching him to a unit is a no-no.

Wrong. He is a named character, and is therefore an IC. Read the rule book, and stop confusing Eggroll for when he start's playing with his beast-like Blood Angels army

Peebz, ya got a little bit of that rule wrong.

1) Eggroll paints, unless I've missed something in the past few pages, there isn't any intention to pick up dice and play, so let us all enjoy the great skill he demonstrates on these models.

2) Page 47 of the rulebook states "If a model is an independent character, it will have its own entry in the appropriate codex, and its rules will also clearly state that the model is an independent character. Bear in mind that there are other models that only ever fight as units of one model, but are not independent characters." (See Crowe in the Grey Knights Codex, another named character without the IC rule).

3) Honor Guard in the Blood Angels Codex are not a retinue, they don't join the HQ that allows them to be purchased. You may have 1 Honor Guard unit in your army per HQ slot you've filled, but you do not have to attach them to the HQ slot

Alfndrate wrote:Peebz, ya got a little bit of that rule wrong.

1) Eggroll paints, unless I've missed something in the past few pages, there isn't any intention to pick up dice and play, so let us all enjoy the great skill he demonstrates on these models.

2) Page 47 of the rulebook states "If a model is an independent character, it will have its own entry in the appropriate codex, and its rules will also clearly state that the model is an independent character. Bear in mind that there are other models that only ever fight as units of one model, but are not independent characters." (See Crowe in the Grey Knights Codex, another named character without the IC rule).

3) Honor Guard in the Blood Angels Codex are not a retinue, they don't join the HQ that allows them to be purchased. You may have 1 Honor Guard unit in your army per HQ slot you've filled, but you do not have to attach them to the HQ slot

I guess I just hope that he someday plays and that he posts pictures of this glorious army fielded on a table with beautiful terrain Eggroll, have you thought about getting into terrain construction?

Alf, you should check out page 49 where it says Unique Clearly states that special characters can be either independent or upgrade characters.

Hey guys... not to step on Egg's toes or anything... but this is a discussion best suited for "You make da call". I appreciate peebz' desire to make sure Egg has all his gaming ducks in a row, but we don't want to derail his marvelous thread with rulz discussions (unless he asks for them of course).

So as one of the participants of said derailment... sorry Egg.

Yeah I'm with Git, I'm sorry too :( I am ashamed.

*puts worshiping uniform on*

Egg, seriously, when I start airbrushing this is going to be my #1 for reference material. I've checked out Les at awesomepaintjob (I'm biased for him because my name is also Les), and also the guy who does Buypainted on YouTube. He does a Sanguinary Guard tutorial that is pure gold (no pun intended). Again, I love your work and can't wait to see what you have planned for next <<<<<<<<33333333333333333

EDIT: For those interested in the debate I created a thread over in You Make Da Call http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/387263.page. Cheers!

Thanks for all the comments guys and no worries about the rules discussion.

peebzguy - No worries, I'm confused about the rules as much as most are. I do have a copy of the BA codex though it's mostly to just look at the pictures and see what some of the weapon options are for units. No intention of actually playing the game or learning the full rules for now. As for painting terrain, I did buy one of the imperial buildings awhile back, assembled and primed it. It's been sitting on my shelf now for the last 6 months gathering dust. I'll probably paint it eventually but terrain just doesn't have the same appeal to me as actual units. Good luck with your new airbrush!

Eggroll, i have been following this blog for a while now and am utterly astounded at how well you use an airbrush. For the shield of the standard bearer how about trying the brother Calistarius' heraldry from space hulk, i'm sure you would be able to pull it off with your skill.

That standard bearer is jawdropping beautiful. Absolutely
love all of your work. Look foward to seeing more.

Eggroll, would it be giving away any trade secrets if you were to list what paints you use for your Blood Angels painting? I'm not sure what to use with my airbrush. I was planning on just thinning down my GW paints with Windex but I have a feeling that there are better options out there.

oaktree wrote:Eggroll, i have been following this blog for a while now and am utterly astounded at how well you use an airbrush. For the shield of the standard bearer how about trying the brother Calistarius' heraldry from space hulk, i'm sure you would be able to pull it off with your skill.

Thanks. Couldn't find a good image of it. Calistarius is the lib. from SH right? Do you have any reference pics?

dad1946 wrote:That standard bearer is jawdropping beautiful. Absolutely
love all of your work. Look foward to seeing more.

Thanks!

peebzguy wrote:Eggroll, would it be giving away any trade secrets if you were to list what paints you use for your Blood Angels painting? I'm not sure what to use with my airbrush. I was planning on just thinning down my GW paints with Windex but I have a feeling that there are better options out there.

Nope, no trade secrets here...I use a duplicolor red primer as my basecoat and airbrush 50/50 of red/black and then blood red for the highlights. I've been doing a bit of edge highlighting with 50/50 of dwarf flesh and blazing orange. For paint thinning I use a 90/10 mix of water to golden acrylics flow improver. I use that thinner for both brush painting and airbrushing.

... Damn, that's pretty. I totally fail at words and stuff. You evil, inspiring man you.

Eggroll wrote:For paint thinning I use a 90/10 mix of water to golden acrylics flow improver. I use that thinner for both brush painting and airbrushing.

I immediately feel like a pro because I use the same stuff

I wasn't able to find a good image of it, but on page 68 of Blood Angels codex there is a picture of a banner with a golden face crying which is exactly the same as brother calistarius' in space hulk except for the fact it dosn't have a halo above it's head.

Alfndrate wrote:I immediately feel like a pro because I use the same stuff

Nice! Now you just need to spring for an airbrush and compressor and you'll be all set! Nice work on your BA's. Saw your hobby progress challenge in the IC's forum. I'm a fan of the podcast and lurk on their forums every now and then.

oaktree wrote:I wasn't able to find a good image of it, but on page 68 of Blood Angels codex there is a picture of a banner with a golden face crying which is exactly the same as brother calistarius' in space hulk except for the fact it dosn't have a halo above it's head.

Ah yeah, I know the one you mean now. The one with the book underneath? Good idea thanks!

Hello Eggroll!

I made an account just to ask you how you painted up your Honor Guard and Sanguinary Guard. >.<

They look exactly how I want mine. I have been trying to get it to look right on the models, but I never achieved the look. Then I saw yours and I was like "THAT'S IT!"

All I essentially need is a list of the paints, paint ratios, primer, etc. I can figure it out from there. Also if that step was airbrushed or not.

Hope I am not sucking up too much of your time. Thanks!

Jaw dropping good.

Sanguine Mors Mortis wrote:Hello Eggroll!

I made an account just to ask you how you painted up your Honor Guard and Sanguinary Guard. >.<

They look exactly how I want mine. I have been trying to get it to look right on the models, but I never achieved the look. Then I saw yours and I was like "THAT'S IT!"

All I essentially need is a list of the paints, paint ratios, primer, etc. I can figure it out from there. Also if that step was airbrushed or not.

Hope I am not sucking up too much of your time. Thanks!

For my Honour Guard, the reds I use my standard method of red primer base coat followed by airbrushed 50/50 red/black for shadows and blood red for highlights. All other parts are done by brush. The robes were done with a p3 menoth white base for basecoat, rucksack tan for shadows and method white for highlights. For my honour guard I can't remember the exact paints or order but I'm positive I went over the details right after I posted the pics.

deejaybainbridge wrote:Jaw dropping good.

Thanks!

Well done buddy! I love the banner...what set did he come with?

WFB Empire General, I think.

And I agree, it is a fantastic use for it, especially in a 40K setting!