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Sidstyler wrote:

InventionThirteen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote: Minor update: It will be 5 wracks per box and one grotesque per new blister, all Finecast.

Any idea of the pricing? Haemonculi covens could get very expensive!

Judging based entirely on current GW trends I would say: too god-damned much.

26 EUR approximately equals $35. I could definitely see this happening as it is relatively in line with the Incubi and Mandrake pricing. Unfortunate, though.

LunaHound wrote:The size comparison pics are so off >.< they need to be put in the exact same distance. Some pics the Talos looks really big , and evidentally when the distance is reversed , the marine looks Talos sized.

Are you talking about my pictures? I just took a few pictures where you can see the bases 'cos I figured you could look at those and get a good idea of the size/distance. Want me to take one of the Talos sitting on a Rhino?

Foo wrote:

LunaHound wrote:The size comparison pics are so off >.< they need to be put in the exact same distance. Some pics the Talos looks really big , and evidentally when the distance is reversed , the marine looks Talos sized.

Are you talking about my pictures? I just took a few pictures where you can see the bases 'cos I figured you could look at those and get a good idea of the size/distance. Want me to take one of the Talos sitting on a Rhino?

Its fine :'P its basically dreadnought volume.

Thanks for the pictures. The Talos looks a lot bigger then the Chronos, the claws and tail really make a difference. Still not sure as what I will use it, but if leave off the tail, I might even consider scrapping the middle part between the body and the tentacles all together.

Courtesy of warseer
Personally, i love 'em
Will be starting a coven army soon

They look ok, but they're all the same gaking poses, wtf? Why do they insist on still doing this? These aren't even like a unit people running a coven list will use sparingly, if people run them at all you're likely to see them in large numbers - all standing there, posed like choreographed zombies in various stages of doing the thriller.


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I'm actually somewhat underwhelmed with these. I was hoping they'd look a lot more dynamic and ominous - they just look like something from WoC that got cybernetics added. Those poses are garbage.

Limited, static and overall odd poses - didn't think that would happen, given the otherwise brilliant releases for the DE to date.

Yeah, these are by far the worst of the DE release. I was hoping they'd be far more dynamic to go along with, well, pretty much the rest of the range - but they're practically posed as though they're out of 2nd edition - and that's just fricking sad. Glad I have no plans to buy from GW anyways. These wracks are standing there like "shoot me" and the grotesques look like they're dancing ballet for god's sake.

Oh what a disappointment. They seem rushed... is this what we can expect for finecast? The haemonculi side of things is looking a little lacking right about now.

Lucky I play a kabal list then huh?

Yeah. It's Finecast.



As to the Finecast sprues, I'm not so impressed. It looks like there will be a lot of cleaning up to do on the models.

Just saying, the grotesque arms look highly compatible with the talo/cronos arms so fret not about the single pose

The Grotesque is one blister. Looks like we get just one miniature with two right hand weapon options. Having such a special pose makes this obvious unfortunately.

The Wracks look like calm, introverted swordsmen in their static pose, not like mad pumped up fighting machines. Also an unfortunate choice of pose. The miniatures have a champion and 4 different warriors, that only differ in details, also unfortunate for a unit with potentially 30 miniatures in an army.

I really like the style,very dark and very creepy. I must agree that the poses are pretty meh...

one of the Wracks has a liquifier gun, and it looks like the Acothist(sorry for spelling) is armed with a stinger pistol.

1) Enough with the awkward bare feet. Ok so Lelith has barefeet but i guess thats fine because shes so agile , but it looks ridiculous on these guys.

2) I NEVER understand GW and their static poses. IF a model is going to have same poses over and over again in a unit , AT LEAST choose a pose that's generic enough to get away with it.

LunaHound wrote:Enough with the awkward bare feet. Ok so Lelith has barefeet but i guess thats fine because shes so agile , but it looks ridiculous on these guys.

It appears one wrack has flip flops...

Ysclyth wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Enough with the awkward bare feet. Ok so Lelith has barefeet but i guess thats fine because shes so agile , but it looks ridiculous on these guys.

It appears one wrack has flip flops...

Yes he does, what a lucky guy -_-

And why do they all look like they are wearing kendo stuff?

The more I look at these the less I like them. I do like the concept, and I do appreciate the general design of the masks, etc - but the poses are complete fail. Hopefully we'll get some reasonably 3rd party alternatives that we can work with.

If I ever ended up with these GW models, though (someone would have to donate them to me), I'd have to practically be a haemoculi myself in order to convert them sufficiently to not make the army look like it's filled with lose.


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The one with the liquefier gun isn't even USING it, he's just holding it like he's waiting to be shot in the face. All of them are just milling about like they're waiting to be smashed by the butt of a bolter.

Deaceased wrote:Courtesy of warseer
Personally, i love 'em
Will be starting a coven army soon

wow the grots look awful. All with the same pose, and an awful pose at that. The stuff on their backs does kind of link them to pain engines.

The wracks are ok, like the pictures but im not in love with the blades. They look a little buff for strength 3. The acothyst is the best, but why would you ever want to give him a pistol?


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Kroothawk wrote: Also an unfortunate choice of pose. The miniatures have a champion and 4 different warriors, that only differ in details, also unfortunate for a unit with potentially 30 miniatures in an army.

wracks become troops in almost all DE armies and definitly in a coven army. That means you are probably running more like 60.
I like my converted ones more.

Hellooooooo Chaos Ogryn Bodyguard for my Traitor Legion.

Im pretty sure the grotesque arms are compatible with the talos arms, one of them with the talos's chain flail would look pretty sick.

Hmm.

Foo, if you're suggesting IP shenanigans, please don't!

If you're suggesting alternative models, then yes please!

I think the Wracks and Grotesques look OK, but as blister they'll be so lack-lustre compared to how they could've been as a box set; there's so much less character, variety and options. A unit consisting of entirely GW Wrack models could look really dull IMHO.

They're good looking models I'd say, but let down by the options and diversity for me...

Just Dave wrote:If you're suggesting alternative models, then yes please!

The problem with alternate models, is they're not tournament sanctioned.

Xelkireth wrote:

Just Dave wrote:If you're suggesting alternative models, then yes please!

The problem with alternate models, is they're not tournament sanctioned.

That's not quite what I was getting at...

It was more whether he was suggesting those or more IP nonsense.

As for tournament sanctioned; that A) Depends on the tournament, B) Depends on whether the player even intends to use them in a tournament, C) the above ambiguity as to Foo's suggestion...

I'm suggesting harvesting for parts.

Xelkireth wrote:As to the Finecast sprues, I'm not so impressed. It looks like there will be a lot of cleaning up to do on the models.

Thanks for posting the photo, but how can you tell anything about the quality of the casting from a single grainy photo? At least wait till you've got something substantive to go on. There appear to be several very fine pieces of excess material, which would be no worse to clean up than a FW mini - and the best FW minis are very cleanly cast now.

I think the Wracks look okay, actually. Yes they're static, but they look kind of menacing. The Grotesques are quite disappointing, not because they're bad models, but because there's no real diversity. Any sizable unit is going to be far too uniform. And, I suspect, expensive.

Foo wrote:I'm suggesting harvesting for parts.

see, that I approve of and is a good idea!

Apologies for the confusion...

my gawd these are so much better than the grey knight's crap!

Asherian Command wrote:my gawd these are so much better than the grey knight's crap!

Good observation. They may have very limited and unimpressive poses, but they're a damn sight better looking than pretty much any Space Marine... My mind trying to figure out how to convert them for better poses. I need to just wait and see the kits...

The Mandrakes were similarly disappointing as models with massive coolness potential, struck down by the fact that they only have 3 different poses.