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I know I am goign to catch hell for saying it but THAT MODEL WILL LOOK NOTHING LIKE THAT RENDER when you pull it out of the box.

....................and the pose really sucks too.


and since I am slapping the bear...............

but Monolith has chosen to embrace the high fantasy fantastical elements and look instead of a low fantasy grittyness

Fair enough and if that is what people like ( obviously it is ) that is fine, but the tag lien of this project is " True to Howard's Vision " Which bears no resemblance what so ever to what we are seeing shown thus far. As I have said before...horses for courses. This is aimed at Conan fans using the names and fluff for little more than marketing materials and vague reference points. It is great high fantasy. I am no knocking the artistry or presentation, I am just saying this is as much Conan as the Jason MoMoa movie was Conan......which aint none atall.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Sorry, I was just wondering by what basis the complainers are claiming inaccuracy, as that implies some sort of accurate reference point.

Robert E Howard has drawn his own maps. It would be like a Middle Earth map that is inconsistent with what JRRT drew.

That's what makes it a nerdy issue. And as an aside, Howard's mapping tends to follow real world geography pretty closely. Generally speaking, Howard liked to ground his fantasy in something tangible.

 tre manor wrote:
I know I am goign to catch hell for saying it but THAT MODEL WILL LOOK NOTHING LIKE THAT RENDER when you pull it out of the box.

....................and the pose really sucks too.


and since I am slapping the bear...............

but Monolith has chosen to embrace the high fantasy fantastical elements and look instead of a low fantasy grittyness

Fair enough and if that is what people like ( obviously it is ) that is fine, but the tag lien of this project is " True to Howard's Vision " Which bears no resemblance what so ever to what we are seeing shown thus far. As I have said before...horses for courses. This is aimed at Conan fans using the names and fluff for little more than marketing materials and vague reference points. It is great high fantasy. I am no knocking the artistry or presentation, I am just saying this is as much Conan as the Jason MoMoa movie was Conan......which aint none atall.

I agree that Monolith hasn't been as true to the source material as they could have been, which is a bit odd to me considering how much they emphasized that they were going for accuracy. The picts are too tall and big for one. And as has been pointed out before there doesn't seem to be any consistency with realism or one/two handed use when it comes to weapons. It's disappointing to me because I have all of RE Howard's work and there is a lot of great artwork out there, in black and white and in color that does a great job of capturing Howard's descriptions and a lot of the sculpts in this KS, while very nice, don't share that same level of accuracy.

Well Howard is now unlocked and we're on our way to a giant scorpion

I wonder if they'll end up changing that model "for the fans", and lose a bit of that detail in the process. It will be interesting to see how this kickstarter's models turn out.

Been away for a few days and absolutely stunned by how much this KS has made!

Definitely looking like a very good deal, and more so as time goes on.

My only hesitation is that I've currently paid out on 3 KS (AvP, Heroquest, Fractured Dimensions) and none of them show any sign of releasing soon! Ah well, perhaps pledge on this one and then forget about it for six months..

Ohh, giant scorpion!

Maybe we can reenact these scenes:


Opps, wrong movie.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Ohh, giant scorpion!


Opps, wrong movie.

For so many reasons

I prefer Ray harryhausens versions, not as large but still original

At least the Clash of the Titans remake was completely respectful of the original, while presenting a beautiful, logical story.

Oh, wait. None of that happened.

Surely if you're going for giant scorpions you'd have them facing off against Stringfellow Hawke on a motorbike

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* Monolith said the map used was a placeholder.

* Monolith will use a different miniature as Balthar (sp).

Scorpion is now unlocked, on to the torch holders

Undead Viking review!

Jump to about 4:50 for the closeups of the miniature prototypes / samples.

I've asked on update 39 if these are *really* what they will look like, or if they'll lose some detail in plastic.

Still not jumped on board yet - quite a bit of it looks good but not sure on some of the sculpts

eg Akivisha is a fav Conan character excited to see her but then she does look she is shivering rather than being a centuries old seductress, ageless and deadily.

I wonder if they are doing the Frost Giants daughater and her brothers a good sculpt of these would probably make me purchase............

Those samples Undead Viking has sure are purdy lookin'.

I am SURE we will see the Frost Giant's Daughter as a full blown expansion. We just have to.

Prestor Jon wrote:

My bad I didn't realize that we had to have realistically scaled axeheads in a heroic swords and sorcery game that includes wizards, ape men, swamp demons and giant spiders with skull shaped abdominal growths. RE Howard is not the source you want to use if you're looking for realism.
Yes the axe is too big and the armor is impractical ornamentation but Monolith has chosen to embrace the high fantasy fantastical elements and look instead of a low fantasy grittyness so it's par for the course here.

The funny thing is that the image they've used shows the concept art and the (obviously) much smaller figure, yet the axehead on the figure is larger than the one on the concept art!

Not that I care a lot, but it's rather funny. More of concern is the number of stretch goals in this one. It seems way too good to be true, especially now in 2015 when we've very much seen how KS works in actuality. When this campaign breaks up into several waves, the shipping is going to hit people really hard. There's no chance of this being on time (in October!!!!), so expect it to be at least a year late (more like about 15-18 months) for what will only be the base box as Wave 1, with the rest to follow anywhere from 6 months to a year or more later in probably a couple of waves, based on the number of freebies and add-ons.

Look at any number of existing campaigns to see how it works.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
So with all the unlocks, we might be looking at $90 pledge + $20-25 in shipping? So $110-115? That's less attractive than $90 flat.

Anyone who thinks they'll only be paying $15 shipping when this ships across multiple waves in 2016-17(-18?) is dreaming. You'll potentially be paying a couple of batches of $20 by the time it all ships.

$150-ish really isn't that much for all the stuff you get, but while I'd like to take a chance on this, I'm concerned about what will be a very large shipping bill, and of course how burned I've been by every other boardgame's shipping from the last year. If I was in the US, I'd probably still go for it.

I think the lamp stands have killed the momentum of this KS , we were doing soooooo good too.

While I agree with what your saying in principle about getting the KS out on time due to other KS histories, I still think this will probably be less than a year late. Almost every SG has had a model shown, or a render that looks like it will translate easy enough. It's not like mantic where you get the doodle for an idea on a napkin and they say they'll find someone/anyone to sculpt it. I really think they have most all of it nailed down already and are shooting to have the game out and people playing it/ getting others hook for Christmas.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Those samples Undead Viking has sure are purdy lookin'.

But are they actually samples of the PVC coming with the game, or just resin casts sent out with the scenario prototype for people to review the gameplay? We already know the sculpts are great, what matters is how well the sculpts translate into actual PVC models.

Kicktraq reporting $50k so far today. We've been averaging $50-$70k a day, so it hasn't really slowed down much, if at all.

On the other hand, look at Wrath of Kings. 8-9 months late depending on where you live, and it's been run by CMoN who have a lot of experience and contacts in KSing now, as well as experience with Restic/PVC etc. They also had sculpts of almost everything done before the KS (there's some concept art, but a relatively small amount). Monolith have none of that experience, and we only need to look at Journey/Cthulhu Wars/Mantic in general/Incursion to see how "China" screws around small unimportant clients like KS boardgame manufacturing...

Their timeline is horribly unrealistic (or "optimistic" as Fireteam Zero admitted on their own Day 1), and they have a huge number of freebie stretch goals. That doesn't bode well for any part of the production, or trust for that matter.

But like I said, if wave shipping costs (and probable import taxes being brought in) weren't a concern, I'd probably go in for it anyway.

we only need to look at Journey/Cthulhu Wars/Mantic in general/Incursion to see how "China" screws around small unimportant clients like KS boardgame manufacturing...

Yep. I'm already in on this KS, but based on the other half-dozen miniature Kickstarters I've backed the manufacturing, printing, assembly, packing and shipping is where they all bog down. Which kind of makes sense since that's 80% of the work. And if you've ever been a part of a big project team you know that kind of poor planning is actually pretty normal. People usually modestly underestimate how much time they will need to do something. But they hugely underestimate how long OTHER people will take to do something. And they don't see how sometimes slipping a date a little up front can cascade into major delays down the line.

Anyway, I bake all that that into a Kickstarter when I decide to pledge. Everything you said - I expect things to be about 9 months late, and I expect expansions to be even later (with additional shipping). But to me, that's part of the thing. They are asking you to pay money up front and take a risk; in return you get more swag. The delays (and postage) are the price you pay.

Like I said, I'm already in on this one, but anyone thinking about backing a KS should keep all this in mind. If you really need to know exactly what you're going to get and when you'll get it...best wait for the commercial release.

 Azazelx wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
So with all the unlocks, we might be looking at $90 pledge + $20-25 in shipping? So $110-115? That's less attractive than $90 flat.

Anyone who thinks they'll only be paying $15 shipping when this ships across multiple waves in 2016-17(-18?) is dreaming. You'll potentially be paying a couple of batches of $20 by the time it all ships.

$150-ish really isn't that much for all the stuff you get, but while I'd like to take a chance on this, I'm concerned about what will be a very large shipping bill, and of course how burned I've been by every other boardgame's shipping from the last year. If I was in the US, I'd probably still go for it.

As a US backer, I would assume 2 waves for $20-25 - Wave 1 for the base game box, Wave 2 for everything else.

If I were on Oz, yeah, way more expensive.
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 Mr Morden wrote:
Still not jumped on board yet - quite a bit of it looks good but not sure on some of the sculpts

The Conan theme is nice, and the promised content looks very attractive.

For me, the question is whether I "need" another game that very much akin to Super Dungeon Explore, but with a lot more furniture. SPM just finished approvals, so SDE 2E Wave 1 is going into production, leaving China before CNY, shipping within the US sometime March / April. I probably won't decide until the last week.
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 hubcap wrote:
[I expect things to be about 9 months late, and I expect expansions to be even later (with additional shipping).

For something this big, yeah, it'll be ~6 months late for Wave 1, with Wave 2 some 6-9 months after that. Lot of content to get into production.

those models don't look bad at all on the video review, I couldn't hear the voice review though, at work.

OK, I just watched the UNDEAD VIKING video review and I have to say, the miniatures look great!

As noted though, they're referred to as "prototypes" - do we know for certain that they are (or are not) representative of what we'll get from 'production'?

Those are resins guys.

If these were the plastic prototypes they would be listed and shown on the KS page. For this guy to have gotten this package in time to show this video the package would have probably needed to have been shipped from France about a week or two ago. Which is about as long as the project has been running. So it stands to reason that Monolith, if they had a review copy with plastic prototypes to show, would have indeed shown that prototype in the KS video AND have made it very clear that they did indeed have plastic prototypes to show off.

And if they had prototypes to show off that woudl also mean that they had a tool produced and a test run completed....at which point you woudl need to ask....what is the KS for?

I personally cannto understand why they did NOT have a tool produced and a test run made before launching the KS as they could have easily afforded it with a fraction of the money spent in artwork and marketing materials for the campaign.

But putting that aside.....these are not plastic prototypes. these are resins. I am sure though that if I can wrong Monolith will officially correct my misconception.

Also....NO OFFENSE meant to Undead Viking at all....but why would Monolith send a review copy with plastic prototypes to Undead Viking and not to sites like CMoN or TTGN or D6G? Maybe they did and the reviews just have not turned up yet.

 tre manor wrote:

Also....NO OFFENSE meant to Undead Viking at all....but why would Monolith send a review copy with plastic prototypes to Undead Viking and not to sites like CMoN or TTGN or D6G? Maybe they did and the reviews just have not turned up yet.

maybe because they know him and his show? furthermore why send stuff to CMoN when they are a competitive company?

Because CMoN is CMoN. They are goign to be competing with them one way or another but CMoN has incredible reach in the industry and regularly report on the projects of other companies. Same goes for D6G and TTGN.........which is owned by CMoN BTW.

Still looking at this

Just checking - as far as I can see the only difference between pledge levels is that the King version gets this lot for an extra $45?



Everything else is with the basic box........?

ayup, but King also has a scenario you can buy that the parts are already in the king box (the extra minis)

 Mr Morden wrote:
Still looking at this

Just checking - as far as I can see the only difference between pledge levels is that the King version gets this lot for an extra $45?

Spoiler:

Everything else is with the basic box........?

That's how I read it.

$90 Barbarian bang for the buck
$135+++ King for the completist

Barbarian has plenty of gameplay content, plus bonus "exclusives". If you want Conan-themed HeroQuest, this is your game.

King starts you on the road to *BUY ALL THE THINGS!!!*, with all of the other expansions.