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This was a 1750 tourny with over 50 players, run by the Northern Warlords, a few hundred players playing Flames of War, 40k and Fantasy were in the hall meaning it was a lively and busy place, It was a really enjoyable event and recommend it to everyone else, I for sure will be returning soon!.



The FAQ was a pure RAW one going as far as ignores cover does not work on vehicles. Break down of my tourny, long read for anyone that is interested, its a copy and paste from my emails so may be a bit confusing in places!. Sorry for no pictures but after rolling for that many powers and 4 games on the saturday which was a 6am start and 11.30 back to the room it was a long old day!


My list





Game 1. Space Marines Mission 1
P = crusade (5 objectives)
S= kill points
Vanguard strike




Game 2, EldarMission 2
P= 1 objective each
S= scouring
Dawn of war
(1 of the 6 from scouring must be placed in deployment zones other 4 more than 12 from long edges) place objectives before you know sides still




Game 3, Eldar with Dark Eldar allies
Mission 3
P=kp
S= big guns (5 objectives)
Vanguard strike


Game 4, Eldar
Mission 4
P= scouring
S = kill points
Hammer and anvil




I was acutally top at this point, gaz donnley was on 69pts I was on 70, droppd 10 pts in 4 games, 8 in one game!.


Game 5 Eldar Mission 5
P= big guns (4 obj)
S= table quarters
( more scoring units fully in quarter controls it. Must be fully in a quarter. Models within 8" of the board centre don't count as being in any quarter 2 points per quarter)
Vanguard strike




Game 6, Eldar
Mission 6
P= relic
S = crusade (4 fixed objectives. One in centre of each quarter. All worth 4 each)
Dawn of war



Overall, I went second every poxy game, in 5 at least, I never won the roll to place objectives, pick sides or first or second turn. I could have won the last two games, espically against gaz donnley should have not boosted the council, shoudl have kept them back and gone for last min contest. Scriers gaze cost me dear in the last game, could have won that as well.

The ignores cover no work on vehicles was a joke overall, I didnt know this but they had this at two tournies before at the same location so I suspect the winners knew this so holo fields and skyshields was known to work well, this meant I didnt waste shots on 2+ save WS's. I done very well against WK's overall, killing 8 and taking 1 down to 2 wounds and another down a few wounds in 4 games so in 4 games so thats 10 WK's I faced in 4 games. but killing them means there troops were ok which mattered a little. IT really affected me when I shot the WS carrying the relic in the last game as I had perfect timing on and it had one HP left so it should have been dead, which meant the screamers would have chopped up the contents meaning he did not get the relic.

Not sure where to go from here comp wise, against Tau and eldar gunline I am good, against multiple WK's not so good, cannot believe I didnt win any of the rolls to go first, gutted by that as even with 3 screamers against the winner I was able to contest all but one objective and kill 2 WK's and 4 wounds on another (so thats 16 t8 wounds I stripped off). I do need more proper pratice against WK and WS lists, I will be interested to see how different it would be with ignores cover working against vehicles.


Sorry for no pictures but after rolling for that many powers and 4 games on the saturday which was a 6am start and 11.30 back to the room it was a long old day!. I ended up 7th but was the best placed non eldar/tau player and by far best placed daemon. There top 15 armies are below. I lost to first and second placed players, both running WS's and WK's with skyshields


1 Eldar
2 Eldar
3 Tau
4 Eldar / DE
5 Eldar / SW
6 Eldar
7 Mark Pocock Daemons
8 Necrons / Tau
9 Tau / Eldar
10 Eldar / Tau
11 Eldar
12 Eldar
13 Eldar / Tau
14 Tau / Eldar
15 Tau

Thanks for posting the report. Slightly depressing to know that Tau and Eldar are as frequent in top placing armies on the other side of the pond.

Also, it's not super enticing to read something when the poster says "Mainly putting it here as it's easy".

Thanks for the pointer, I acutally wrote this out in email then pasted it onto Facebook, that was where it was easy to post not here. I have been meaning to do some formatting on it to make it a little clearer and easier to read, now done with missions added and army lists faced .

Are Tau and Eldar any good?

Crikey, I work in warrington and didn't know jack about this.... also a bit mad to see so many Taudar combo meals in that ranking list.

I think your demons are pretty cool, seems like a powerful list without spamming 3-4 FMC's or GUO-type McGuffins.

 Exhumed wrote:
Crikey, I work in warrington and didn't know jack about this.... also a bit mad to see so many Taudar combo meals in that ranking list.

I think your demons are pretty cool, seems like a powerful list without spamming 3-4 FMC's or GUO-type McGuffins.

Oh yeah, a re-rollable 2++, that's not cheesy at all. The only reason that the screamer star is not frowned upon is that it shakes up the Taudar domination a little.

^This.

Terrible game design all around, but worth it to see some sweet Taudar tears

Holy crap thats a lot of Eldar.

Screamerstar is good, but in a tourney with that many rounds you kind of have to expect going a game without a key power and/or failing a Grimoire at the wrong time.

For exactly that reason I had a hard time seeing a list like this win a GT despite how good it is.

 hippesthippo wrote:
Holy crap thats a lot of Eldar.

Screamerstar is good, but in a tourney with that many rounds you kind of have to expect going a game without a key power and/or failing a Grimoire at the wrong time.

For exactly that reason I had a hard time seeing a list like this win a GT despite how good it is.

IMO, the only roll that failed me in the last two games was not going first, yes its due to my list building that not going first when facing 4/5 WS's will lose me the game but there was no BLOS to hide behind in any game bar the fourth one.

 Dakkamite wrote:
^This.

Terrible game design all around, but worth it to see some sweet Taudar tears

I will freely admit, the screamer council is a list of pure cheese!, when it goes right it is pretty unstoppable, when facing the fourth player, eldar gun line who set up in a broad gun line he shoot his whole army at me in two turns and killed 2 screamers, 50pts of 4 wounds. He was the only opponent not to take it in the right spirit, even the not so good guy I played in the first took it like a man! this is a tourny after all and if the eldar guy was shooting me off the board, which I think he did to other players to get to table 3, I would not have minded!.

I dont use this list against just anyone, unless I have a game arranged against certain people I leave this list at home and I wont be using it for a while now as I fancy doing something different .

Holy Toledo! That's a crap-ton of eldar! Makes me almost think that people in the UK are slightly ahead of the curve than those in the US. Even we aren't that eldar-crazy here just yet.

Congrats on a fine showing. Makes me want to pick up my daemons again....which I will pretty soon after my soulgrinders are done. Who knows, I may even try out the screamerstar.

The screamers, well they are a bit F U to gun lines usually, one of my opponents was very unhappy at shooting all his army three turns into the screamers killing just 1 while the 2++ was up and 1 first turn.

I think it struggles against non compeitive lists to be honest, there isnt enough there to take on MSU either but against Eldar and Tau they excel.

It is not in any way a friendly list and will steam roll most opponents, Locally they are unstoppable really to the point where they are boring to play as I have a very set way of dealing with things so know exactly what I am doing before the game starts.

It is more of a game against yourself, if you dice go right they are unstoppable

Is there somewhere I can see the lists? very interested in the top Tau lists.

Wow, looks like an incredibly boring tourney. Fair play on stomaching Eldar 5 games out of 6, I know I wouldn't have been able to. I'm very glad that the whole 'everybody play Tau and Eldar' phase hasn't crossed over the channel yet. I don't go to tournies often these days over money, but it would put me off totally if I thought we were going the route of 7th edition Fantasy as regards variety of armies at tournaments.

Is there somewhere I can see the lists? very interested in the top Tau lists.

Seconded. Interested in Eldar/SW in top 5 build.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Wow, looks like an incredibly boring tourney. Fair play on stomaching Eldar 5 games out of 6, I know I wouldn't have been able to. I'm very glad that the whole 'everybody play Tau and Eldar' phase hasn't crossed over the channel yet. I don't go to tournies often these days over money, but it would put me off totally if I thought we were going the route of 7th edition Fantasy as regards variety of armies at tournaments.

There were (except for the last two!) quite different lists, first was a nice balanced mix of units, second one was a beast pack deathstar list so that was a interesting list to play, third was a eldar gunline quite boring as my list excelled at that. Last two were boring as crap though lol.

I am hoping that once a few more dex's are out we will see a internal balance emerging.

I will try and get the Eldar SW list, it was a seer council with rune priest basically iirc.

Nice report. Sounds like you got screwed though-- Ignores Cover not working on vehicles is an extremely dubious ruling. The rules state that cover saves for vehicles are taken "exactly like a non-vehicle model would do against a Wound."

Thus, an attack that says that "cover saves cannot be taken against Wounds caused by this weapon" (as Ignores Cover weapons do) ignores vehicle cover too, because a non-vehicle model would not receive a cover save against such a Wound and hence a vehicle taking a save "exactly like a non-vehicle model" does not get a save either.