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Impressive first post, Voltgeist! Now I may not be much of a player, but #4 seems like a fun challenge if you've got the skills.


Yeah, painted those myself. I've got magic fingers.

The rule has been you remove your own models. As with the other so called Chaos that I read in this new codex, I already see a quick FAQ coming out about other issues, the lash of crack is just another subject that will be expounded on.

In an established game area, you already have a repore with your group. There is a social norm that is already established, and this rule is depending on that norm. If with friends of like mind, you have a repore, just as you do a different one at a tourny, a new store, or a pick up game with a stranger. You follow what the rest of the groups does, or you quickly find a different one. Most of the time, I've found that the unsaid rule is " Move your own stuff". The several ocasions that I've seen a public display of picking up a strangers minis is in cases where Demo's, Scenario's, and specific games that are already prearranged, such as a Rogue Trader special event, ( The Hunt for the Fallen, Armaggedon, Cityfight, etc.)

I say let people touch your stuff, you better have a bottle of zap a gap at the ready. Not once have I seen a gaming group NOT have an issue with a broken arm, head, weapon, claw, wing, etc.

Glue is just like having a condom on the gaming scene. >

As for that " orderly chaos codex," this crap rule is just a stab at the randomness that the designers now discourage. It falls on hollow ears. Don't touch peoples stuff without permission.

Voltgeist. Thank you for using wit and reason to present my opinion more clearly than I could.

Thank you Churoc and thank you all. As you can tell I feel very strongly about people touching my miniatures <v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"><v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><v:path o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></v:path><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape id="_x0000_i1025" style="WIDTH: 14.25pt; HEIGHT: 14.25pt" alt="" type="#_x0000_t75"><v:imagedata o:href="http://www.dakkadakka.com/Providers/HtmlEditorProviders/FckHtmlEditorProvider/FCKeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/tounge_smile.gif" src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\Spencer\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>

However, my opponents are to be held blameless, since they are only following through on GW's unilateral decision to clandestinely forfeit my property rights during my opponents turn.

Those miniatures belong to me GW, not to you, and definitely not to my opponent.  

 

Posted By Voltgeist on 08/28/2007 4:12 PM

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However, my opponents are to be held blameless, since they are only following through on GW's unilateral decision to clandestinely forfeit my property rights during my opponents turn.

Those miniatures belong to me GW, not to you, and definitely not to my opponent.  

 

Now, I haven't seen the rules to this "whip of pleasure" or what-ever its called....but it occurs to me that this is the whole point!

Imagine you are really on the WH40K battlefield, you've spent decades training your forces, you've spent billions of credits arming and equipping your troops....and blam, a chaos commander takes control of them......I imagine the feelings you have are not that far off how you would feel in real life.......so perhaps thats the point of the rule, to inspire you to new depths of emotion within WH40K.......and you guys say chaos isn't hard enough!

I answered the poll honestly and said I will let them move my models if I find them worthy enough, and a nice painted army makes them worthy.

However in a debate I am definitely supporting those that say an opponent should not touch someone's models, ever.

It really depends on the model with me.
A bog standard, hard to break plastic grunt? Go ahead.
A metal multipart that needed to be pinned and filled and needed two coats of varnish to prevent chipping?
Er, no, it's okay, I'll move it. (I wouldn't be angry if someone picked it up, but I would ask them to put it down carefully, please)
I don't like it when onlookers pick up models when you're playing a game though- position is important. I think some of my non wargaming friends would be shocked by the depth of anger in this thread- they've always been pretty disrespectful about my minis.