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Posted By skkipper on 08/22/2007 7:28 AM
if your precious snowflakes of models are way to delicate for infants to breathe on. You may find out why its called warHAMMER

I think the opposite is true.  Touch them and you may get touched back.

If I respect my opponents enough to play, I respect them enough to move my miniatures. Though I will quickly step in to 'help' if they appear clumsy.

I might make exception if I ever go to tourney, but then I dont do tourneys so that isnt an issue. I think assuming my opponent is going to wreck my miniatures if they touch them is both paranoid and down right rude.

Posted By skkipper on 08/22/2007 7:28 AM
if your precious snowflakes of models are way to delicate for infants to breathe on. You may find out why its called warHAMMER

If anyone's going to break my models, it better be me.

there were only two people at adepticon, i would be concerned if they tried to "touch" me.

1. The dude with the massive chain
2. sparky

I let new players use my models all the time since I usually supply both armies when I'm introducing someone to the game.

I don't play against strangers, so it's a non-issue for me.

Jfrazell & skkipper, you guys are funny...anyone would think you are actually speaking to each other across a gaming table and not seperated by at least 500 miles ( just guessing! )

I think its fair to say that anyone who would willfully damage someone elses miniatures would probably feel the sharp end of something! Other than that I belive most people would have the sense to treat someone else property with care. Of course accidents can happen, but thats life....why the hell are you gaming with Display quality miniatures anyway, doesn't this show your own lack of respect for your own work....just think about the general rough and tumble of game play, transportation etc etc.....theres a reason why proffessional painters will paint to different standards and charge different prices!

If you take your miniatures to play....then PLAY! If you want to put your work in glass cabinet then you can do that as well, but you can't expect everyone to treat your stuff like priceless gems, especially when you are not!

Delephont, it's perfectly possible that a player will feel comfortable having display quality pieces/conversions transported by himself, set up by himself and moved by himself, yet not be comfortable with someone else pushing the minis around.

I would be totally okay with anyone moving my minis (well, anyone I'd care to game with in the first place), but you can be sure I'll be reminding the guy to please only hold the models by their bases, ever, at the start of every single shooting phase he has.

its more like 1500 miles. i move others people stuff all the time. i just wiped out that squad in cc. and careful pic up the guys by the bases and move them out of the way so i can get on with my turn . I really don't want to have to wait to you wrap up " captian pretty pants" in bubble wrap before i can roll my sweeping advance.

Posted By tegeus-Cromis on 08/22/2007 12:03 PM
Delephont, it's perfectly possible that a player will feel comfortable having display quality pieces/conversions transported by himself, set up by himself and moved by himself, yet not be comfortable with someone else pushing the minis around.

I would be totally okay with anyone moving my minis (well, anyone I'd care to game with in the first place), but you can be sure I'll be reminding the guy to please only hold the models by their bases, ever, at the start of every single shooting phase he has.

Yes, I understand and agree, but...just take a look at some of the comments in this thread! some people will be ok with someone moving their minis and others arn't. Basically if you're of the mind that you want people to keep their hands off then you need to display your miniatures in a place where no one has the opportunity to touch. If you attend a gaming session there are going to be a cross section of people there, why cause yourself such heart ache and angst?!?

may game night is in a bar. I have to be very tolerant. but when a hottie comes over and handles my boys. it makes it all better.

Posted By Delephont on 08/22/2007 12:18 PM

Posted By tegeus-Cromis on 08/22/2007 12:03 PM
Delephont, it's perfectly possible that a player will feel comfortable having display quality pieces/conversions transported by himself, set up by himself and moved by himself, yet not be comfortable with someone else pushing the minis around.

I would be totally okay with anyone moving my minis (well, anyone I'd care to game with in the first place), but you can be sure I'll be reminding the guy to please only hold the models by their bases, ever, at the start of every single shooting phase he has.

Yes, I understand and agree, but...just take a look at some of the comments in this thread! some people will be ok with someone moving their minis and others arn't. Basically if you're of the mind that you want people to keep their hands off then you need to display your miniatures in a place where no one has the opportunity to touch. If you attend a gaming session there are going to be a cross section of people there, why cause yourself such heart ache and angst?!?

Or what its saying is that there really is no consensus on the topic so the smart player is not going to stupidly try to paw someone else’s minis. I must note unless there are some minis across the table and they are offering to help move them I’ve never had this issue come up (from an opponent, grubby bystanders is a different deal).

 

And clearly its not the usual gaming buddies I’d be worried about.  Frankly since I’m the one with the chaos boys I’d be the offender in question  

Posted By skkipper on 08/22/2007 7:28 AM
if your precious snowflakes of models are way to delicate for infants to breathe on. You may find out why its called warHAMMER

  Seeing strangers drop and break their opponents models has been enough to make me selective about who handles my stuff.  The final decision maker for me was having some of my Necron figs broken in a tournament game by a guy that seemed to think no one minds having their miniatures picked up in a quick grab by the handful.  You may not care about it if someone breaks up something that  you've worked on for hours converting and painting, but most of those who take pride in doing something well get a tad pissed to see that kind of disrespect leveled at their work. 

Posted By gorgon on 08/21/2007 12:49 PM
I don't care, as long as they're gentle and respectful.

At one of the Baltimore GTs, a guy picked up my flying Tyrant BY THE TIP OF THE WING so the model was dangling underneath. I just about dove across the table to get my hands underneath it. When I asked him what he was doing, he just kinda shrugged and said "I pin all my models." Completely unapologetic and oblivious.

Of course, the wings are pinned...the point was more about putting all the weight of the heavy metal model on that join and dangling it over a hard surface. If he had damaged it, I don't think I could have stopped myself from punching him in the mouth. Utter tool.

Back when my father played Fantasy, he had a beautifully painted model of Eltharion the Grim.  He spent I believe about 40 hours painting the model.  Hand carved the base from plaster, even put his own blood into it when he sliced the tip of his finger off.  The model was a true peice of art, and product of love.

One day at the shop we played at, he was over on the other side of the store talking with some friends when he hear's "Oops." followed by a crashing sound.  To this day, I do not know how my father restrained himself from inserting this guys head into his rectum.

As for the topic, I'm pretty cool with allowing people to handle my models.  I've been playing this game long enough to know that no matter what precautions you take, something will always happen, so I don't worry about it to much.  I've paid to have my armies painted, but they aren't Golden Demon work, so it's not that much to worry about.  Most players out there have enough respect to be gentle, and for those who don't you can always "accidentely" knock their own prized model off the table.

"Don't touch my dice!"
"Dont touch my figs!" /whiny gamer voice

I expect a faq coming along soon that says ooops ignore the lash of dumbmission (we were on crack the day we designed this little gem) after the first brawl at a GT breaks out as someone gets body slammed across a table. I definatley voted no. I even eyeball my opponent funny when he knee jerk reacts to try and remove my casualties he just inflicted. Well it certainly adds a new dimension to the game called the art of reading body language, should I or shouldn't I. If he's big and smelly and looks like a troll I would probably just forgo the Lash of Dumbmission.

Tut...c'mon, they're only plastic toy soldiers...

...just joking, just joking.....phew, for a minute!

I need a "it depends on the guy" option. There's one (younger) fellow in my gaming club who is a complete spaz who literally can NOT pick up a mini without dropping it. Him, I'd ban. The guy with his own gorgeous army and steadier hands--no worries.

Posted By skkipper on 08/22/2007 12:26 PM
may game night is in a bar. I have to be very tolerant. but when a hottie comes over and handles my boys. it makes it all better.

Man, you get to play in a bar where you can pick up hotties?  Where do I sign up?


Also, I voted a no as a general rule.  If it's someone I know, sure, you can even borrow my army if you want.  Some random dude?  No, thanks, I can move them for you.

SEE I dont have that problem, most people are to scared/intimidated to touch my stuff without permission. Hell even then some dont touch it. Some of the kids just dont give a sh£t.

The funny thing is I dont care if they break it by accident. I have 2 small kids at home so its not an issue for me + like somebody said no matter how hard you try something will always break. Well atleast the adults are anyway. Some of the kids just dont give a sh£t.

Posted By skkipper on 08/22/2007 12:26 PM
may game night is in a bar. I have to be very tolerant. but when a hottie comes over and handles my boys. it makes it all better.

    Someone must not be too hot if  playing with toy soldiers trumps chatting the "hotties" up!

well since I am married, yes toy soliders trumps chatting up the hotties.

The consensus seems to be that if the opponent treats his own stuff respectfully, and seems like a generally nice person, then handling my models is okay. If my opponent is an ass and/or can't hold a model worth a damn, then he'll end up with a fistful of quarters in his face if he tries to handle models that I told him he couldn't.

I'll comply with a Lash of Dumbmissioner's requests regarding model spacing, placement, etc. I will NOT tolerate someone whose hands act like their owner has cerebral palsy trying to move my stuff.

That said, my army IS for gaming. I put a nice paint job on them because I want them to look good on the battlefield, not because I want to look at them behind a glass case. I understand that accidents happen, especially amongst friends, since they'll handle my models more than anyone else, but that doesn't mean I can't be proactive in attempting to avoid unnecessary damage to my models. I'll treat my opponent and his army with respect and never pick up their models without asking, regardless of how poorly he treats/paints them. I would expect the same from my opponent. If he doesn't respect my wishes regarding my models (asking before picking them up), then I'm through playing.

CK

just dont touch my models without asking, ever. xD it p**ses me off so much, and as to people trying to move models aftering being asked not to, i usually stop playing, and if the guy really is an as a refuses to give the model back after ive asked him to put it down (has happened to me, im afriad : /) then things get interesting

Posted By jamy on 08/25/2007 1:18 PM
just dont touch my models without asking, ever. xD it p**ses me off so much, and as to people trying to move models aftering being asked not to, i usually stop playing, and if the guy really is an as a refuses to give the model back after ive asked him to put it down (has happened to me, im afriad : /) then things get interesting

...?? What he beat you up?......thats harsh, first he steals you miniature right in front of you, and then beats you to within an inch of your life......I don't think I'd ever play again after that!

just kidding...

thats cold.

"Posted By skkipper on 08/22/2007 12:26 PM
may game night is in a bar. I have to be very tolerant. but when a hottie comes over and handles my boys. it makes it all better. "

A very interesting bar indeed. However, I doubt severely that a “hottie” has ever picked up your miniatures and after reviewing some universal truths about women and miniature gaming in general only two outcomes will be possible.

 

First, that a hottie picked up your miniatures without any level of condescension or ridicule, which would be a miracle of the highest order, only because she was drunk, on a dare from her buddies to go and mess with the nerds at table 6, or looking for the ladies room.

 

Or secondly, that it just never happened, and the comment was an attempt to make those of us who wish for others not to touch our miniatures feel silly that we wouldn’t let a sweet hottie touch our things.

 

In all my days of working in game stores (mostly in malls) and playing games in game stores, the only women, let alone hotties, that ever stopped in to see what the boy’s were doing with such “glee” were:

 

1). Girlfriends, either checking in after shopping for hours, or ones bored out of their freaking skulls from having to watch there boyfriend paying more attention to some little lead miniature then he had ever shown to them. They may seem interested at first and may even throw in some playful insults, but soon the reality of the situation sets in as they realize the game is going to last for hours… then the vapid comments start as se reassures her boyfriend she is not bored. Then she says she is going to get a drink and comes back three hours later with new clothes.

 

2). Mothers, either buying stuff for their kids or husband or again standing around bored out of their minds watching their children/husband  playing some silly game for hours on end, all the while thinking to herself…I will probably have to do all the washing when I get home to. They to will find any excuse to vanish for hours, only to return when it is absolutely apparent that the game has finished.

 

3). Wives, apply both of the above to wives and add… what the hell are guys thinking? Do we really expect our females to like this stuff? Some do and they are to be applauded or they are just really good liars J

 

4). Hotties, Single females or, depending on your team, Single Males, also at times come into the proximity of gamers while an actual game is being played; and this is what happens.

-They are looking for a toilet.

- They are looking for their brother.

 

As far as letting others touch my miniatures during game play I have this to say:

 

I am here to play a game with miniatures… not to trust you in any way, shape, or form.

awesome.....

Now thats an impressive first post Voltgeist

Well said. Actually I'm pretty sure most Lash of Submission users would be satisfied with you moving your own models to the direction / formation they wish.

Impressive first post, Voltgeist! Now I may not be much of a player, but #4 seems like a fun challenge if you've got the skills.


Yeah, painted those myself. I've got magic fingers.