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No, the thread title is not a euphinism!

According to those who have read the new Chaos 'dex the rules for the lash of submission allow a choas player to move his (or her) opponents models. Now I don't know about you but I'm not keen on the idea of any chaos player being allowed by the rules to touch my finely painted minis with their clumsy greasy paws! So I've started this poll to see how other people are going to handle this. Thoughts anyone?

Oh come on!?! Surely a person isn't going to "man handle" your pieces of artwork....and if they did, you could comment on it, e.g "Please respect the amount of work I put into these models, and handle them with care. If you don't I shall end my participation in this game!"

problem solved.

I am sure that an opponent worth it salt treats my models with the same care as he treats his models. So I see no problem here.
If I notice that he seems to handle his models carelessly, then I would remind him.

Greets
Schepp himself

I'm actually too conflicted to vote right now ...

On one hand, I want to be a nice guy and be all "them's the rules, please fondle my models, and they do look nice, don't they?" On the other hand, painting takes so long and my models aren't necessarily all varnished yet, and then like OldPec notes, I don't really want big cheese-covered lash-erific hands all over my little guys ... o_O

- Salvage

I play with friends, so its not an issue really.

I let other folks touch my models all the time.. if they wanna look at em they can as long as they ask first, if a little kid comes up and grabs one I'll kindly say something like "Can you leave that guy where he was? we need him to be there for the game" and then the kid will be like "Oh, ok" and put it right back

when I play my nids and have tons of gaunts, I usually have my opponent help me move em to speed things up

I apply the same rule to my minis as my daughter.

"See this Model 29 Smith and Wesson? Its the most powerful handgun in the world (if you lived in 1968). It can blow your head clean off. make the wrong move and it will. I am not afraid to go to prison...again."


Seriously only the hallowed few can touch the minis. People who convert know not to touch other people's minis. Your opponent can easily direct you where to place them.

Of course I play eldar so we win automatically...

I myself am a little torn (hence the poll) On the one hand I generally play with people who take reasonable care of models. On the other hand there is usually beer and munchies available when I play.

Even if I'm playing someone I trust it somehow doesn't feel right. I can't quite explain it but even when playing something like chess or snakes and ladders it just seems wrong to move someone else pieces (or have your own moved). Or is that just me?

The rule says the opponent can force the move. The rule does not say the opponent gets to physically do the moving. No way Jose.

You folks can touch my junk anytime.

btw:

Picture of my junk:



(not really mine, just loaned from Google Images)

I don't care, as long as they're gentle and respectful.

At one of the Baltimore GTs, a guy picked up my flying Tyrant BY THE TIP OF THE WING so the model was dangling underneath. I just about dove across the table to get my hands underneath it. When I asked him what he was doing, he just kinda shrugged and said "I pin all my models." Completely unapologetic and oblivious.

Of course, the wings are pinned...the point was more about putting all the weight of the heavy metal model on that join and dangling it over a hard surface. If he had damaged it, I don't think I could have stopped myself from punching him in the mouth. Utter tool.

No touch my stuffs yo.

if somebody complains about me moving their dudes. the likelyhood of an accident goes up signifigantly.

Posted By skkipper on 08/21/2007 1:14 PM
if somebody complains about me moving their dudes. the likelyhood of an accident goes up signifigantly.

An accident to you?

I know if I say don't touch my minis and you try to do so after that then things are going to get very interesting very fast.

I didnt vote as this poll wont cover all the bases.

So I vote for:

I will let you move my models if I trust you and you arent a complete pratt.

In a tourney....well it doesnt matter what would happen in a tourney, as I dont plan on attending any....not with rules like these.

On second thought, my friends can always touch my models, I will always allow them to use my army if they so choose. This is because my friends are cool.

Now, I direct this at  those of you who choose to use the Lash of Fzorgle, and think you are justified in touching my models:

You are dirty bastards and sons of pigs who wallow in your own filth, hence unclean and unsuitable to touch my models. If you attempt to touch them, may Allah have his way with your eye socket without lubrication, you thrice cursed swine fornicator.

end of story.

If it's one of my friends, I don't mind if they touch my models.  My gaming buddies especially all tend to be quite careful, in general - although personally I usually still ask before touching, unless we've been touching models a lot lately.  If you know what I mean.


I don't think a stranger has ever picked up one of my models without asking.  If it happens, I imagine my response will be quite frank.

I would let somebody touch it if they asked and were carefull. I cant stand people that just come along and pick the mini's up without asking.

If I ever see Hellfury gaming, I'm going to approach him and ask,

"Can I, you know, touch...it?"

You can always touch my Treasure Junk....



....As long as you dont play Lash of Fzorgle...

Hi Jfrazell

The rule says the opponent can force the move. The rule does not say the opponent gets to physically do the moving. No way Jose

Could you confirm this one for me - I was under the impression that the lash holder made the move hence allowing them to bunch up models for template weapons, expose power fists/ squad leaders to a charge etc. etc.

He he he.....I always thought most people had at least two armies anyway...one for display and one for gaming.....well I do...he he he ( local village idiot )

I do not touch my opponents models. I expect the same consideration. and since I play CSM and expect to make liberal use of Slaanesh Lords moving enemy unit s out of cover for my AP3 Tzeentch marines to pump full of lead, I am completely fine with "My Cheeselord would like you to move that unit there out of cover so they are right about here. It would also be realy cool if you have versions of you models that are bent over, if you do, just put those there facing away from my unit. Thanks"

Posted By Hellfury on 08/21/2007 3:45 PM

You are dirty bastards and sons of pigs who wallow in your own filth, hence unclean and unsuitable to touch my models. If you attempt to touch them, may Allah have his way with your eye socket without lubrication, you thrice cursed swine fornicator.

yes... while you're invoking allah.. could you make sure your unit fits under this barrage template for my Fzorglelord? thanks that's awesome right there... *Vindicator*

>

Before, with my old army, yes. Now with the new hot stuff and conversions, no. There's a reason why I got a few of the preview tiles from Mighty Empires: I'm drilling holes and putting the flags on one tile so I can mark them and then remove them as my standards are taken.

Posted By OldPeculiar on 08/22/2007 1:28 AM

Hi Jfrazell

The rule says the opponent can force the move. The rule does not say the opponent gets to physically do the moving. No way Jose

Could you confirm this one for me - I was under the impression that the lash holder made the move hence allowing them to bunch up models for template weapons, expose power fists/ squad leaders to a charge etc. etc.

1) The rule says nothing about my opponent being able to get his gribbly fingers on my minis.

2) Even if it did that would be painfully irrelevant. I will place them exactly how my oponent wants them placed. But I will be the one doing it. My gaming comrades would not move each others minis, and anyone else I wouldn't trust regardless.

Sorry to press the point but I've looked up the lash post in 40K tactics and someone has quoted the rule as

 

>>> A psyker may use this psychic power in the Shooting phase instead of using another ranged weapon. Pick any non-vehicle enemy unit visible to the psyker and within 24", and then take a Psychic test in order to use the power. If the test is successful, the target is moved 2D6" by the Chaos player. This move is not slowed by difficult terrain, but dangerous terrain tests are taken as normal. Victims may not be moved off the table, into impassable terrain or within 1" of enemy models. After this, the affected unit must take a Pinning test. <<<

(my bold) I don't have the 'dex so can't check - is the quote I've copied here accurate?

Posted By OldPeculiar on 08/22/2007 5:19 AM

Sorry to press the point but I've looked up the lash post in 40K tactics and someone has quoted the rule as

 

>>> A psyker may use this psychic power in the Shooting phase instead of using another ranged weapon. Pick any non-vehicle enemy unit visible to the psyker and within 24", and then take a Psychic test in order to use the power. If the test is successful, the target is moved 2D6" by the Chaos player. This move is not slowed by difficult terrain, but dangerous terrain tests are taken as normal. Victims may not be moved off the table, into impassable terrain or within 1" of enemy models. After this, the affected unit must take a Pinning test. <<<

(my bold) I don't have the 'dex so can't check - is the quote I've copied here accurate?

Looks accurate. Again the target is moved. The chaos player can designate where they are to be positioned.  The player cannot touch my minis.

We had a guy a few years back running an RTT here that had a scenario he'd apparently made up in which each player had to give his opponent the use of his most expensive(points wise) unit for the game. A lot of players never attended another RTT run by this guy again, specifically asking before they signed up if he was the one running the thing.
It seems people around here don't like their work being finger jacked by clods, either.

if your precious snowflakes of models are way to delicate for infants to breathe on. You may find out why its called warHAMMER