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So it is settled SPACE MARINES OWN spartans? Agreed?
And all the 40k's say here here!

Oh yeah that was decided a long time ago now we're arguing to see how dead they are exactly.

Well.
Spartans Look cool. But!
Spartans lack any of the materials to be good.

Space Marines are born killers and they are heroes of thousands of campagins. Each Space marine is a hero. And Each one is superhuman. Unlike spartans. Spartans are split between Spartan II and Spartan III's. Spartan II's are as strong as a brute. But Spartan III's are not superhuman basically humans with some bonuses. It has been said that Spartan III's are more numerous except they have a 100% death ratio in war. Spartan II's are very expesnive to reproduce. Unlike the Spartan III's who are really really cheaper to produce when compared to Spartan II's.

purplefood wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:Yeah somehow i still doubt it was the size of an artillery shell, maybe similar in design but not in size.

sorry... But its around the size of a good fist. Thats what i would say. But I highly doubt spartans could take a bolt shell to the heart and live..

The bolter's round(and effects) are roughly equivalent to the Gauss Cannon on a Warthog.

Spartans can take three hits from a Gauss Cannon and keep going.

Fair point but bolters are rapid firing guns so the spartans is still screwed.

How often do all the shots from a bolter hit at once?

The point was that for all this talk of "one shot and a Spartan's dead!", that's not true. As is the ridiculousness of "the Spartans have nothing that can hurt Space Marines in Power Armor!1!1!" commentary.

Gauss Cannons were designed as tank hunting weapons. They were also pressed into service as stopgap weapons when the UNSC can't field/has no access to their "lascannon" equivalent or their Scorpion tanks. And at the same time as being "less dangerous" than those two weapons...the Gauss Cannon can still bring down Wraiths(even through their shields), cripple Scarab assault walkers, and even bring down the Covenant's heavy landing craft.

So can the "every Marine has bolters, which means they'll always win" bullcrap that gets chanted every time this comes up and realize that Spartans and Space Marines cannot be compared in a vacuum. They really can't be compared at all, outside of them being genetically modified.

Do Marines have bolters? Yes.
But by that same measure, Spartans have no real "standard loadout". They're patterned after modern Special Forces, who alter their loadouts for specific mission profiles.

Are we talking a straight up, no holds barred match-up in the field when neither side has foreknowledge of the other?
If that's the case, then Spartans are screwed. Just like the Imperial Guard, Tau, Orks, or any number of races in 40k are.
Are we talking about the Spartans(with actual knowledge of Astartes armor, etc etc) being sent on a kill strike against an Astartes force which is unawares of the Spartans beforehand?
If that's the case, then it's a toss-up. It's the same thing that happens when the Astartes send their Scouts after high value targets.

Be fair if you read the fluff behind the dead spartans they're all listed as MIA as opposed to KIA and that's it i'm off and away, goodnight

Asherian Command wrote:So it is settled SPACE MARINES OWN spartans? Agreed?
And all the 40k's say here here!

NO! these guys win for sure


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Asherian Command wrote:Well.
Spartans Look cool. But!
Spartans lack any of the materials to be good.

Space Marines are born killers and they are heroes of thousands of campagins. Each Space marine is a hero. And Each one is superhuman. Unlike spartans. Spartans are split between Spartan II and Spartan III's. Spartan II's are as strong as a brute. But Spartan III's are not superhuman basically humans with some bonuses. It has been said that Spartan III's are more numerous except they have a 100% death ratio in war. Spartan II's are very expensive to reproduce. Unlike the Spartan III's who are really really cheaper to produce when compared to Spartan II's.

Space Marines aren't "born killers". They won the genetic lottery, same as the Spartans who actually make it through the entire process.

Spartan IIs are, in terms of training and "enhancements" pretty similar to Marine Scouts. They've got the enhanced reflexes, the stamina, the muscular enhancements, etc. They become more deadly, however, with their Mjolnir suits and an on-board AI.
Spartan IIIs have the exact same enhancements and training, they're just forced into finishing it at a much younger age. The difference is that they very rarely actually have Mjolnir suits and even rarer still that they'll have an on-board AI for their Mjolnir suits. Spartan-IIIs use something called "Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor" in lieu of the Mjolnir stuff. SPI forsakes the multiple powered layers, the neuro-fiber clusters, etc. Instead, it features basic ballistic protection, basic melee protection, and a ridiculously advanced set of active camouflaging material that constantly adapts to its surroundings.

Kanluwen wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well.
Spartans Look cool. But!
Spartans lack any of the materials to be good.

Space Marines are born killers and they are heroes of thousands of campagins. Each Space marine is a hero. And Each one is superhuman. Unlike spartans. Spartans are split between Spartan II and Spartan III's. Spartan II's are as strong as a brute. But Spartan III's are not superhuman basically humans with some bonuses. It has been said that Spartan III's are more numerous except they have a 100% death ratio in war. Spartan II's are very expensive to reproduce. Unlike the Spartan III's who are really really cheaper to produce when compared to Spartan II's.

Space Marines aren't "born killers". They won the genetic lottery, same as the Spartans who actually make it through the entire process.

Spartan IIs are, in terms of training and "enhancements" pretty similar to Marine Scouts. They've got the enhanced reflexes, the stamina, the muscular enhancements, etc. They become more deadly, however, with their Mjolnir suits and an on-board AI.
Spartan IIIs have the exact same enhancements and training, they're just forced into finishing it at a much younger age. The difference is that they very rarely actually have Mjolnir suits and even rarer still that they'll have an on-board AI for their Mjolnir suits. Spartan-IIIs use something called "Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor" in lieu of the Mjolnir stuff. SPI forsakes the multiple powered layers, the neuro-fiber clusters, etc. Instead, it features basic ballistic protection, basic melee protection, and a ridiculously advanced set of active camouflaging material that constantly adapts to its surroundings.

Sorry i only briefly read the spartan stuff.
They look good. Thats about it. But if the spacemarines went all out war. you know who is going to win. Space Marines hands down. One thunderhawk would obliertate the spartans. Plus oh look we have sensors.
Space Marines have HD's Believe it or not. Space Marines have updated information and tactical outputs in their helmets. Its not really gothic style technology in a Marine Helmet. It is constantly updated with tactics and Key Locations. But byfar the coolest type of helmet in 40k universe has to be the terminator helmet. OMG in it is everything you would need to set up an entire outpost!!!!?!?!?!??!?

purplefood wrote:Be fair if you read the fluff behind the dead spartans they're all listed as MIA as opposed to KIA and that's it i'm off and away, goodnight

But i agree. Its like 9:12 And i need some rest. I have like 3 tests tomorrow.

Well I haven't read most of the thread up to this point (because it's full of the same crap as all the other threads) but in the vain hope of provoking some interesting discussion, have this picture. Talk about it instead.



Personally I think spartans would win vs aliens, mainly because have you ever seen aliens media where the aliens win? Rest assured many generic marines would be eaten, though. In fact, just think of the movie Aliens, and replace the pulse rifles with gravity hammers. Much more fun.

Since Master Chef is pretty much always using some wussy gas-powered Assault Rifle or what have you, I'd say nothing short of a Spartan Laser/Missile Launcher/Energy Sword would even make a Marine BLINK.

I'd say the assault rifle would be just about as effective against a space marine as it is on legendary difficulty; which is to say, not very effective at all.

Some plasma weaponry and an energy sword would likely work out better.

SAGE

40k always wins vs threads, always. Space Marines could take on a team of Predators and win.

BTW: Bolter is .75 calibre or in the ballpark of 20mm

maybe before you blindly blurt out SPESS MahReeNs are the AEWsome and AlwAyS wIn evur timE (Hurr)!!!11!1!!111ONE you should read the halo books so you can make an informed decision. there are too many assumptions made on the power of Halo weapons: you can't say that halo tech is weaker than 40k tech just because 40k tech is from farther in the future. We have real life tech that they don't have in 40k.
I don't know why I let myself get drawn into these nerd fights...


You are all pathetic and I hate you.

Lol spartans are pretty pathetic, anyone who thinks that they could win vs marines is a little ridiculous, and a halo fanboy ...

Spartans have weak armor, pathetic shields that drop from a shot or 2, no redundant organs (get heart or lung shot and thats gg for the spartan, whereas the space marine wont even be slowed down with his third mechanical lung and secondary heart etc) Their weaponry is overall lackluster, with mabye 1-2 options capable of possibly getting through marines armor ....

Spartans are just subpar in every way possible.

kill dem stunties wrote:Spartans have weak armor, pathetic shields that drop from a shot or 2

Their armor is actually quite effective per the lore, as is the shielding they possess.

There's one thing you're all forgetting... While the average Spartan would get his ass handed to him ten times over, the Master Chief would obviously win because of his 1++ Plot Armor of the Main Character

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:maybe before you blindly blurt out SPESS MahReeNs are the AEWsome and AlwAyS wIn evur timE (Hurr)!!!11!1!!111ONE you should read the halo books so you can make an informed decision. there are too many assumptions made on the power of Halo weapons: you can't say that halo tech is weaker than 40k tech just because 40k tech is from farther in the future. We have real life tech that they don't have in 40k.
I don't know why I let myself get drawn into these nerd fights...


You are all pathetic and I hate you.

I have read every Halo book and played every game. I am a Halo fan, though not a Halo fanboy. As a Halo fan, I am absolutely convinced that a Spartan will lose a straight up fight with a Space Marine 100% of the time, period. The only chance they have is to have the odds skewed heavily in their favor, and even then I'd give them a 50/50 shot at best.

daedalus-templarius wrote:

kill dem stunties wrote:Spartans have weak armor, pathetic shields that drop from a shot or 2

Their armor is actually quite effective per the lore, as is the shielding they possess.

Quite effective vs the terrible weaponry of the halo universe, against 40k weaponry it would be torn to shreds.

kill dem stunties wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:

kill dem stunties wrote:Spartans have weak armor, pathetic shields that drop from a shot or 2

Their armor is actually quite effective per the lore, as is the shielding they possess.

Quite effective vs the terrible weaponry of the halo universe, against 40k weaponry it would be torn to shreds.

Covenant weaponry is just as effective as the weaponry used by the Imperial Guard.

The UNSC's weaponry is no slouch either, but just like 40k...they rely heavily on special/heavy weapons to really fill the holes in their armories.

kill dem stunties wrote:Quite effective vs the terrible weaponry of the halo universe, against 40k weaponry it would be torn to shreds.

You are clearly interested in a nuanced and logical discussion, free of any bias.

daedalus-templarius wrote:

kill dem stunties wrote:Quite effective vs the terrible weaponry of the halo universe, against 40k weaponry it would be torn to shreds.

You are clearly interested in a nuanced and logical discussion, free of any bias.

Unfortunately that won't be happening here.

You know I should go find a Halo forum and post this question.
Then again the most common reaction would probably be: "what's a space marine?"

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:
Unfortunately that won't be happening here.

You know I should go find a Halo forum and post this question.
Then again the most common reaction would probably be: "what's a space marine?"

Very likely scenario there

And unfortunately, if people there did know what a 'space marine' was, they would likely be just the opposite of the fans here. Logical, unbiased discussion != internet discussion.

In the fiction of their respective universes? A Space Marine. Going by actual in game performance (in their respective games)? A Spartan.

Space Marine vs. Spartan?

God damn man... I can't even decide! Spartans have extremely superior shields that can only break after 32 bullets of mid-range gunfire and they are also very agile without those bulky shoulder pads. In fact, they can jump 7 feet high, but space marines are really strong and tough and carry the mighty boltgun with its exploding rounds.

Another idea for a poll:

Brute vs Nob?

Suicidal Cheez wrote:Space Marine vs. Spartan?

God damn man... I can't even decide! Spartans have extremely superior shields that can only break after 32 bullets of mid-range gunfire and they are also very agile without those bulky shoulder pads. In fact, they can jump 7 feet high, but space marines are really strong and tough and carry the mighty boltgun with its exploding rounds.

Another idea for a poll:

Brute vs Nob?

How about brute chieftain vs warboss?

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:maybe before you blindly blurt out SPESS MahReeNs are the AEWsome and AlwAyS wIn evur timE (Hurr)!!!11!1!!111ONE you should read the halo books so you can make an informed decision. there are too many assumptions made on the power of Halo weapons: you can't say that halo tech is weaker than 40k tech just because 40k tech is from farther in the future. We have real life tech that they don't have in 40k.
I don't know why I let myself get drawn into these nerd fights...


You are all pathetic and I hate you.

And how many of our generally issued small arms are capable of piercing SM armour?

Snips wrote:

Suicidal Cheez wrote:Space Marine vs. Spartan?

God damn man... I can't even decide! Spartans have extremely superior shields that can only break after 32 bullets of mid-range gunfire and they are also very agile without those bulky shoulder pads. In fact, they can jump 7 feet high, but space marines are really strong and tough and carry the mighty boltgun with its exploding rounds.

Another idea for a poll:

Brute vs Nob?

How about brute chieftain vs warboss?

Man i expected this thread go get shot down lol. But it has been rather well debated. But now Let's try Ork Warboss vs Brute Chieftain

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Henners91 wrote:

And how many of our generally issued small arms are capable of piercing SM armour?

Well... modern machine gun = autogun; autogun = lasgun; so all of them (if you don't think lasguns can kill marines you haven't played guard). And I think it's safe to say halo rifles are better than real life guns.