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Mahu wrote:What did your source say about 6th edition?

I hope that it was the rumors from long ago are wrong.

He/She wouldn't go into specifics, but said that a lot of what had been said online was true, some of it wasn't entirely correct, and some of it was correct but just worded extremely poorly to a point where it made the rule seem more complex than it actually was or made the rule seem somehow different. He/She said he/she had played games using the new rulebook and said that the games didn't take much longer to complete than they already are, if anything they were making a point that some of the more convoluted rules have been streamlined and some of the rules that were "too basic" got changed as well. He/She said that, if anything, the game feels much more strategic with the new rulebook, though he/she did say that some of the rules take "a bit of getting used to."

EDIT: Codex books won't be invalidated by the new rules apparently, but the new rulebook will come with an FAQ section for each already existing army to clarify any confusion or mix-ups in concern to the new rules.

Also, to those worried about the lack of Imperial releases, my source did say that new models and finecast were coming out over the next year for a few Imperial loyalist armies, including Imperial Guard, and that after Eldar we'd be, and I quote, "sick of Imperial releases."

As for why they chose certain armies over armies that needed it more (Dark Angels, Black Templars, etc), it was apparently due to lore/fluff reasons. Chaos is going to be a major threat come 6th Edition to everyone, not just the Imperium, and apparently they (Chaos) will have a front against the Tau Empire, hence why Tau are getting a release before-hand. The perspective/narrative is also changing apparently and it won't be only or heavily Imperial, he/she said that GW wanted to make some of the other "good" races (Tau Empire, Eldar) feel just as important as the Imperium when it comes to lore/fluff and the fate of the galaxy. This was apparently some of the reasoning behind why Tau Empire and Eldar are getting books before armies like Dark Angels and Black Templars.

As for the actual Tau Empire rules, all my source was willing to say was that a good deal of the rumours currently on the internet about Tau are true, but that some were false or just poorly worded, and that he/she couldn't give out or confirm/deny specifics as he/she "might get in trouble." Apparently, some GW staff are allowed to leak certain details to the public via the internet, but are very specific as to what is allowed to be said by who.

Again, take with a grain of salt.

While I would like it, if GW really did take fluff and lore into account as far as releases go, this would seem to be completely diffrent from what the current company is doing.

I have my doubts, but I would love it, if they are really becoming more serious about the fluff, and lore. Perhaps maybe even moving the timeline forward a bit!

Seriously, all of these rumors makes it sound like GW is entirely staffed by paranoid cold-war era spies.

Some rumours from Warseer:

ghost21 wrote:

The starter set(s) are Chaos and Dark Angels.

Hate to burst your bubble, but it's not Dark Angels.
(...)
The first thing I have to say is that there are 2 chaos books planed.
One more renegade based, the other legion based. The legion one will be that, dudes who are 10000 years old kicking ass n taking names.

There "may" be an inquisitor who hass gone bad but really expect new guys in the renegade one.

It's lost and the damned influenced... but it has other options....

also 2012??...maybe at a push

junk wrote:Seriously, all of these rumors makes it sound like GW is entirely staffed by paranoid cold-war era spies.

Took you quite a while
Actually it's mainly the management, not the creative staff.

junk wrote:Seriously, all of these rumors makes it sound like GW is entirely staffed by paranoid cold-war era spies.

Most companies are ran by people like this, sadly. I can't say where I work, but basically all of the higher ups even where I work treat everyone beneath them like they're liars, thieves, and con-artists trying to get one over on them.

I just want to see some amazing models to be honest i dont care what army they are for

*Starts dusting off his Alpha Legion* Please please PLEASE be playable in the next Chaos 'dex!

@Marik- I can appreciate your wanting to keep your source secret but I want to point out that in English using "he/him" when referencing a person of unknown sex is appropriate. I hope that will save you some time and key strokes.

While I understand that folks who have been waiting years for their codex would love some attention sooner rather than later, I'd rather wait for 6th and hopefully hardback codexes. I'd also hope that some of the less loved races like Tau are kept back till after 6th so that they can benefit from any rebalancing the way that Tomb Kings and Ogres have in WHFB. I'm most excited about the new chaos books following on from Aaron Dembski-Bowden's Nightlords books and the feeling of renegade but not chaos marines.

Impossible that we'd have to wait that long for new Marines. Just not possible.

Marik law, no offense but when you strip out the "It might be this, or it might be that" you really aren't saying much more than "Expect Chaos, lots of Imperial stuff, etc."

Remember that Chaos Space Marines are still Space Marines. I think if your looking for loyalists, it sounds like it's going to be awhile, it is starting to sound like loyalists may not get another marine book until 2013 at the earliest. With the rumored DA stuff getting squashed, I haven't heard any of the normal rumor posters say anything positive about BT or a normal marine release.

Also, the marines every other book may have been happening, but that doesn't logically mean it will continue. Just because it rains four days in a row, doesn't mean it will rain the 5th day. It has been happenstance due to the fact that marine (variants) are about 1/2 of all 40K codex's (there are 7 b.t.w. Ultramarines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, Grey Knights, Chaos Space Marines). There are only six alien codexs at all (tyranids, Dark eldar, Craftworld Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Orks, Demons). The last codex(s) is imperial guard and sisters of battle.

In addition I think we are about to see the break from the historical precedent of Space Marines always being in the boxed set, and always seeing them as the first codex out. The background we are hearing sounds to me like they are trying to take 40K to a more fantasy position where it is Order vs. Disorder and not Imperiam vs. Everyone. I don't mean that the Imperium is getting any less xenophobic, but that the races are getting deeper. Look at the necrons a "exterminate... exterminate." race going much closer to a Stargate style gauld rulership position. I expect tau to both widen and deeper from a background position.

Marine hammer has been fun the last few years, but I'm glad it sounds like that's over. Long live the Xenos.

In regards to "MARINES BETWEEN EVERYTHING"- we did just get several Fantasy releases in a row. Admittedly you're talking about 40k in regards to the Marine-love, but don't you think that if that happened we would have got all those Fantasy things? In a row? With no 40k?

@Marik - As others have said.. you can just use he instead of he/she!.. also you said "grain of salt" and that makes me weep :( (No salt in the tears tho)

Sisters of Battle are probably getting the next Codex(that or discontinued, I am hoping simply a new codex)

As a Tau player I am of course ready for an updated book. To be fair the Tau still play reasonably well considering how some of the more desperate armies needed an update.

At most the Tau need more Hero characters, and to have a few things fixed, like giving the Etherial a more viable role?

Sisters of Battle aren't getting the next codex man. They just got a WD article, and last time GW did that (Blood Angels) it was two years before they got around to updating them. IMHO your looking at late 2013 for a real sisters release with miniatures etc...

Now, don't get me wrong, that codex needs a release, but I bet you see it as a DE style huge affair of all plastic set for october/november of 2013.

Marik Law wrote:
Chaos is going to be a major threat come 6th Edition to everyone, not just the Imperium, and apparently they (Chaos) will have a front against the Tau Empire, hence why Tau are getting a release before-hand.

Front - Tau empire.

I like it.

Marik Law wrote:
The perspective/narrative is also changing apparently and it won't be only or heavily Imperial, he/she said that GW wanted to make some of the other "good" races (Tau Empire, Eldar) feel just as important as the Imperium when it comes to lore/fluff and the fate of the galaxy.

So is it "good" vs "evil" or "order" vs "disorder" ?

Now we all know the Tau feel as important already and the Eldar deem themselves as the only important ones so this will be interesting times for the background. How are the "dying"/"leaving this realm" space elves and the "new upstart empire" blue-greys as important to the fate of the Galaxy ?
Moving the fluff perspective

Well the Tau have been getting some prominent stories in the Newer Codices of some of the other races.

You have a major defeat for a Tyranid hive fleet in their codex. This also leads into a new major conflict between the Imperium and the Tau.

Now I am not expecting a Tau Codex for a while. I mean Clearly the main focus is on the Necrons. I Feel the Necron update was needed way more then a Tau update.

Kanluwen wrote:Chaos can be subtle all it wants, the Tau don't hear its whispers.
In effect, Chaos might as well be shouting at a deaf man.

I think the biggest problem is that there's this assumption that the Dawn Blade needs to be 'doing' something to Farsight. It doesn't necessarily have to be doing anything, outside of perhaps extending his lifespan. Even that is uncertain though, as the Imperium and even the Tau think that it's simply a case of Farsight becoming the title for the leader of this faction.

What are you saying? That Tau = Gingers and therefore have no souls? (look it up on YouTube and you'll see the South Park Episode I'm talking about)

Kanluwen wrote:There's actually very few races(two) which are effectively "immune" to the predations of Chaos.

The Tau and the Necrons are it.

Tau aren't immune, in old codex daemonhunters it was perfectly acceptable to have allied daemons (inc leaders inhabited by greater daemons) in Tau armies. The only armies where this couldn't happen were Necrons and Tyranids. Tau and Orks are difficult to corrupt and possess due to their biology/society but its not impossible.

Totalwar1402 wrote:Tau aren't immune, in old codex daemonhunters it was perfectly acceptable to have allied daemons (inc leaders inhabited by greater daemons) in Tau armies.

Not in my Daemonhunter Codex, or do you have a page and quote? Even the scenarios avoided any hint on Chaos corruption in Tau.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't BTs still be one of the starter sets? Seems like the kind of nostalgia thing GW might do, given that BTs were the cover art for 3rd ed.

Kroothawk wrote:Some rumours from Warseer:

ghost21 wrote:The first thing I have to say is that there are 2 chaos books planed.
One more renegade based, the other legion based. The legion one will be that, dudes who are 10000 years old kicking ass n taking names.

There "may" be an inquisitor who hass gone bad but really expect new guys in the renegade one.

It's lost and the damned influenced... but it has other options....

I'm more hopeful now than ever that this might happen, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Kanluwen wrote:Tyranids can be mutated and the like, but we can't say definitively if the Hive Mind is immune to the predations of Chaos.

I think the safe bet is that they're not, given that the Ruinous Powers feed on emotions, and Tyranids basically have none other than hunger. Of course, in the old fluff before Genestealers became Tyranids, Genestealer Cults were Chaos Cults worshipping a Genestealer god in the warp. *shrug*

Just asked my source about the two Chaos books ghost21 mentioned. He said that Legions was coming first and that Renegades would first get a WD article soon after that and that a new Codex would come out later (about 1-2 years after the WD article).

For those worried that Tau Empire aren't going to be as mean as a post-6th Edition Codex, fear not. From what my source said, the last several Codex books are going to have "the shortest FAQs in the rulebook" as they were "designed with the 6th Edition rules in mind."

Marik Law wrote:

Mahu wrote:What did your source say about 6th edition?

I hope that it was the rumors from long ago are wrong.

He/She wouldn't go into specifics, but said that a lot of what had been said online was true, some of it wasn't entirely correct, and some of it was correct but just worded extremely poorly to a point where it made the rule seem more complex than it actually was or made the rule seem somehow different. He/She said he/she had played games using the new rulebook and said that the games didn't take much longer to complete than they already are, if anything they were making a point that some of the more convoluted rules have been streamlined and some of the rules that were "too basic" got changed as well. He/She said that, if anything, the game feels much more strategic with the new rulebook, though he/she did say that some of the rules take "a bit of getting used to."

EDIT: Codex books won't be invalidated by the new rules apparently, but the new rulebook will come with an FAQ section for each already existing army to clarify any confusion or mix-ups in concern to the new rules.

Also, to those worried about the lack of Imperial releases, my source did say that new models and finecast were coming out over the next year for a few Imperial loyalist armies, including Imperial Guard, and that after Eldar we'd be, and I quote, "sick of Imperial releases."

As for why they chose certain armies over armies that needed it more (Dark Angels, Black Templars, etc), it was apparently due to lore/fluff reasons. Chaos is going to be a major threat come 6th Edition to everyone, not just the Imperium, and apparently they (Chaos) will have a front against the Tau Empire, hence why Tau are getting a release before-hand. The perspective/narrative is also changing apparently and it won't be only or heavily Imperial, he/she said that GW wanted to make some of the other "good" races (Tau Empire, Eldar) feel just as important as the Imperium when it comes to lore/fluff and the fate of the galaxy. This was apparently some of the reasoning behind why Tau Empire and Eldar are getting books before armies like Dark Angels and Black Templars.

As for the actual Tau Empire rules, all my source was willing to say was that a good deal of the rumours currently on the internet about Tau are true, but that some were false or just poorly worded, and that he/she couldn't give out or confirm/deny specifics as he/she "might get in trouble." Apparently, some GW staff are allowed to leak certain details to the public via the internet, but are very specific as to what is allowed to be said by who.

Again, take with a grain of salt.

"It could be... but then...."

Seriously you wrecked it when you mentioned GW doing this for fluff/lore. They ar doing it for MONEY.
You actually do not give out any info except it "could be this or that.." There have been Tau rumours for a good year now and it is known they already HAD a dex ready end of 2010 but discarded it as basically all info had leaked.

My source tells me Tau soon but whether in Q1 or 3 is not known. Yes Tau are ready, so no news here. Tau need an update and something against Uberarmies that go into CC in round 1, also no news.

After all the kids still like the Mech look and the new kits are quick to do (Finecast Vespids and Kroot Hounds), Pathfinders will be a upgrade Kit for FWs, new Tank (?) and Barracuda. The rumours I like are those of the envoys for the Ethereal and that XV9s will be in the new Dex. Apparently the XV8 will get a resculpt and come in a 3 box.... so far what you did not tell us.

Sorry to ruin your day but "maybes" and "possibly ... or.." are not rumours they are attention seekers. Essentially you aint telling us anything and for that you need to open 2 threads???

I heard that the tyranid and space wolf second waves were ready for release, but are being scrapped and the moulds destroyed because of chapterhouse.

I Digress; I remember reading several Canon quotes and one basically states "No Tau has ever fallen to Chaos"

I think the fact that GW is focusing on non imperial releases is a good thing. Makes me wonder why people are seeing the opposite considering the over focus on the imperium (in terms of releases and rules) was a negative aspect of 5th edition.

That being said I reckon the focus on non IoM is probably a business decision rather than a fluff/balance decision. Considering GW has already milked the IoM cash cow to death and the success of Dark Eldar, moving onto other things makes sense (regardless of how popular the former may have been). It also looks like CSM has purposely been delayed as a 6th edition release in order to be a big selling point for 6th.

The FAQs thing sounds a bit stupid IMO. The current online rules FAQs didn’t do enough to solve rules queries (e.g. CSM Dreadnaught fire frenzy) and I doubt including them in the rulebook will be any better unless they are better written. The success of older rulesets in 6th will largely depend on how GW tackles errata and power creep otherwise I can see similar issues with what happened to 5th edition occurring.

Could that Dark Millenium business have plans to be coinciding with something else in 2013? Or am I giving someone to much credit.

God damn you sixth edition. Eff off.

Well im looking forward to dark angels so let's hope there sooner rather then later