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I'm excited for this. I think the initial expectations of 40 marines were a bit optimistic, but 30 tacticals, 5 dreads, two character, and a dread is a pretty nice box. The price is vastly lower than FW, which is the only comparison worth anything if talking about HH stuff. (well, there's the recast stuff, but even that isn't exactly cheap)

The monopose legs on the contemptor don't bother me. Starter sets have always (barring 3rd edition, actually) contained simpler models than you could buy at retail, and this is very consistent with the dreads in AoBR or DV. Further, multipart legs aren't very conducive to new players, which is, in theory, part of the market for starter boxes/board games. There are plenty of people that are excited about how much simpler the Assault Cannon will be to assemble than the FW one is, and I don't think they'll miss assembling a knee joint either.

The big thing this release does, almost as much as price, is dramatically lower the difficulty of actually building HH infantry. Resin is a great material, but I'd rather build hard plastic infantry than resin any day, especially when you want dozens of them.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Looking at the pictures it looks like* the sides are divided thus:

Ultramarines:
10 Tacticals
5 Terminators
2 characters?

Word Bearers:
20 Marines
Contemptor.

N.B: This may be completely wrong.

Most assumed that the sprues we saw months ago were genuine, and these latest leaks show them to be right on the money. That must be the biggest pictured leak lead time we have had in ages.

 BrookM wrote:
Forces in the game:

Ultramarines: Praetor + Cataphractii + 10 Tacticals

Word Bearers: Dark Apostle + 20 Tacticals + Contemptor

@Thraxas: I'd assume that it's 1 character per side, especially if one is a Chaplain as that's kind of the Word Bearer's thing.

 Paradigm wrote:
Hmm... need better pics. On one hand the deal isn't as sweet as I was hoping, on the other, there's still a good bit in there compared to what you'd pay separately.

From GW:
3x Tactical Squads= £75
1xTerminators=£27
1xDread= £28
2x Characters= £30 (or more, these days)

So you're essentially paying for the PA Marines and a character, and getting the rest free'....

Anyone else severely pained by seeing HH marines painted in the clean, colourful GW style rather than FW's perfect gritty take?

Deal isn't as good as you hoped? This is a _fantastic_ deal.

The price you quoted is £160; the box is £90, that's about 43% off.
This selection of models from forgeworld would be over £300.00; that's at least 70% off.

To clarify, I was referring to the fact that one 'leak' had said it would be 40 Marines, 10 Termies, 2 Dreads and 2 characters. Which would have been ridiculously awesome. As it is, and as I said, it still looks like a good deal, particuarly compared to FW, and if the game is as good as Space Hulk then that's even more value there.

I'm definitely leaning towards this one now...

I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

Whoops, apologies BrookM I had not seen your post. Too many pages rattling by.

@Para: Looks like that is indeed the case with a character each.

rtb02 wrote:
However from fw you can't buy 30 tacs, Contemptor, cataphractii and characters for 90 quid or so - there's the appeal for most.

You can't even come close to buying 30 tactical marines, 5 terminators, a dreadnought, and two plastic monopose characters from the 40k range for the $150 this is rumored to cost.

ADDED: Whoops, I see someone already made that point. But the dollar amount I came up with for equivalent models from the 40k range was about $276, so a pretty substantial savings vs. regular 40k prices.

I'll need to get some photos of the connections on the Forge World Contemptor, so I can see about magnetising this one.

Nice to see those sprue leaks from back in June were apparently accurate, other than that monopose Contemptor this set looks great, and frankly I had no plans to run a Contemptor with my Salamanders anyway, the Doredeo is the dread I'm after.

It seems HeroQuest / Space Crusade like dice are back. 3 symbols each. Only one color though. I'm quite interested what they will do with them mechanic-wise.

seems a Hex board?

Warhams-77 wrote:
It seems HeroQuest / Space Crusade like dice are back. 3 symbols each. Only one color though. I'm quite interested what they will do with them mechanic-wise.

Haha, this'll be wicked if this is a bit Space Crusade-esque:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I'll need to get some photos of the connections on the Forge World Contemptor, so I can see about magnetising this one.

Looking at the sprue picture magnetizing won't be too bad. The biggest difference in the arms is that the FW weapon arms don't include the shoulders (they are included with the body) where on this kit the shoulders are the same part as the weapon arm. So a careful cut to separate the shoulder and gun, then put some magnets in at that cut, is all you need to do.

Also it looks like modifying the kit to twist the torso looks very easy; as you can make that cut in a location that will end up inside the torso.
The shoulders are on ball joints that look the same as the FW model, so those are good as is.
After that the modifications gets slightly more difficult; cutting the hip to leg joint to re-pose the leg (it's another ball joint on the FW model) replacing the feet (if you have a FW contemptor you'll have extra feet)

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

As long as Forge World keeps doing their books (maybe call them "advanced 30k" or something) that would be utterly fantastic. Would love to play an alternative, simpler rule set with marines-on-marines.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

As long as Forge World keeps doing their books (maybe call them "advanced 30k" or something) that would be utterly fantastic.

I can see the games side by side. I just don't see FW up and quitting. It would upset A LOT of people. I know for one if the FW HH up and stopped I would be out for good.

 -DE- wrote:
Eisenkern Stormtroopers are stand-ins for imperial guardsmen, it's the Valkirs who are the space marine equivalents. And if you compare the prices, DFG models are only a tiny bit cheaper than GW. And only if you happen to live in the States, otherwise they're more expensive with less options and bits. Hardly a bargain.

Or unless you live in Australia where a box of 20 is $63 at full retail compared to GWs $65 for 10.

Just sayin'

 Vash108 wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

As long as Forge World keeps doing their books (maybe call them "advanced 30k" or something) that would be utterly fantastic.

I can see the games side by side. I just don't see FW up and quitting. It would upset A LOT of people. I know for one if the FW HH up and stopped I would be out for good.

Read the post from Lords of WG:

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

There is no separate 30K wargame. There is no third GW main game.

I think people still underestimate how much GW is into AoS. AoS is going to be big - very big - for christmas. And early 2016. AoS is still the main show.

Sad Panda wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

There is no separate 30K wargame. There is no third GW main game.

I think people still underestimate how much GW is into AoS. AoS is going to be big - very big - for christmas. And early 2016. AoS is still the main show.

Right...

40k is the main show. AoS is currently an attempt at damage control for their mishandling of WHFB.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

There is no separate 30K wargame. There is no third GW main game.

I think people still underestimate how much GW is into AoS. AoS is going to be big - very big - for christmas. And early 2016. AoS is still the main show.

Right...

40k is the main show. AoS is currently an attempt at damage control for their mishandling of WHFB.

You should probably listen to Sad Panda... He's a 100% accurate rumor monger (I think he's still at 100%?)

Very interesting though. Heresy replacing LotR seemed to make sense.

Sad Panda is an insider, just so you know.

I have most of the infantry I need for my XIIth Legion already. The Contemptor will be nice to have, and if the Cataphractii look good alongside the resin version, I'll be able to take my unit up to 10. If nothing else, the Mk.4s may turn into a good adversary force down the road (UM for some Shadow Crusade action?).

Regarding future kits...I have my fingers crossed for a plastic Spartan.

box cover (?)

http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Horus-Heresy2.jpg

NOPE.

That's art from the comic book.

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It is the same artist though.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

There is no separate 30K wargame. There is no third GW main game.

I think people still underestimate how much GW is into AoS. AoS is going to be big - very big - for christmas. And early 2016. AoS is still the main show.

Right...

40k is the main show. AoS is currently an attempt at damage control for their mishandling of WHFB.

You should probably listen to Sad Panda... He's a 100% accurate rumor monger (I think he's still at 100%?)

Very interesting though. Heresy replacing LotR seemed to make sense.

I stand corrected - that's what I get from being a newcomer to the forums. My apologies!

It just seemed odd to me. But heh, GW's ways are inscrutable.

Sad Panda wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

There is no separate 30K wargame. There is no third GW main game.

I think people still underestimate how much GW is into AoS. AoS is going to be big - very big - for christmas. And early 2016. AoS is still the main show.

I think gw still underestimates how little a VAST majority of us care...

Sad Panda wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

There is no separate 30K wargame. There is no third GW main game.

I think people still underestimate how much GW is into AoS. AoS is going to be big - very big - for christmas. And early 2016. AoS is still the main show.

I believe you, but I don't get it.

My group has zero feths to give for AoS. None.

 kronk wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

There is no separate 30K wargame. There is no third GW main game.

I think people still underestimate how much GW is into AoS. AoS is going to be big - very big - for christmas. And early 2016. AoS is still the main show.

I believe you, but I don't get it.

My group has zero feths to give for AoS. None.

I have seen more people in my group completely drop Fantasy/AoS than pick it up. I for one and trying to get rid of my Tomb Kings and they have been packed away in a rubbermaid container since.

So the current, relatively reliable rumour is that this isn't a limited release box? That's good if true.

I think I'd be more excited for AoS if I wasn't so excited for 40k. While AoS is the fantasy game I've been waiting 4 editions for, 40k 7th edition and especially the new Space Marine plastics are awesome enough to put everything else on the back-burner.