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 Buzzsaw wrote:
Am I mistaken, is there some big faction of chainsaw users in game that I just don't know about?

Not that I can think of.

I'm guessing someone on staff just thinks that steampunk chainsaws are cool and decided to see if it appealed to the community.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
I'll admit to not being the most up to date on the Malifaux universe, but I find that chainsaw... well it kinda makes me go

It's not that there is anything wrong with it per se, it's just... a big 'ol chainsaw. It looks out of place, like it belongs in a zombie survival game. I get that they are trying to spruce up the female options (which I found curiously underwhelming), but this just seems off.

Am I mistaken, is there some big faction of chainsaw users in game that I just don't know about?

I get a Ressers feel from it... Sort of a mix between Evil Dead, the Medic from TF2, and general steampunk...

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:
I'll admit to not being the most up to date on the Malifaux universe, but I find that chainsaw... well it kinda makes me go

It's not that there is anything wrong with it per se, it's just... a big 'ol chainsaw. It looks out of place, like it belongs in a zombie survival game. I get that they are trying to spruce up the female options (which I found curiously underwhelming), but this just seems off.

Am I mistaken, is there some big faction of chainsaw users in game that I just don't know about?

I get a Ressers feel from it... Sort of a mix between Evil Dead, the Medic from TF2, and general steampunk...

See, I think that's what get me, it's doesn't really seem steampunk, at least not to me. It looks like just a regular, gasoline operated chainsaw.

The Evil Dead and TF2, that comes through loud and clear. Very survival horror/outlandish.

The thing that vexes me is you have this great image;


And the mini kit made for the game... can't really make any of those.

I believe you can make 1 and 4, though 4 has better legs than what are available... it does sadden me you can't get a full on number 2.

Yeah, it would've been sweet to be able to make the second one...

Maybe it's a hidden teaser and this year's "Miss ____" will be a female Rifleman?*

*No, it probably won't be, as they already had a Guild figure this year with Miss T, obviously. But it'd be nice. I'd definitely want one.

Oh, they're also Rare 3, and come in a three pack. That might stand in the way as well.

Yeah. This years "miss" should be a Neverborn or Arcanstic.

I'd personally like a Miss LeToe as a holiday arcanist showgirl.

Forar wrote:
Maybe it's a hidden teaser and this year's "Miss ____" will be a female Rifleman?*

*No, it probably won't be, as they already had a Guild figure this year with Miss T, obviously. But it'd be nice. I'd definitely want one.

Oh, they're also Rare 3, and come in a three pack. That might stand in the way as well.

Miss Fired, Guild Riflewoman

And Cincy, I would be okay with any Miss that comes out, but I'm pulling for a Neverborn (since they're ones I play).

 Alfndrate wrote:

Forar wrote:
Maybe it's a hidden teaser and this year's "Miss ____" will be a female Rifleman?*

*No, it probably won't be, as they already had a Guild figure this year with Miss T, obviously. But it'd be nice. I'd definitely want one.

Oh, they're also Rare 3, and come in a three pack. That might stand in the way as well.

Miss Fired, Guild Riflewoman

And Cincy, I would be okay with any Miss that comes out, but I'm pulling for a Neverborn (since they're ones I play).

Miss Guided might work?
No.2 is by far the best part of that piece of artwork, indeed. I think it'd be hard to make it so that parts for that 'look' feel interchangeable with other parts - it's a rather distinctive look, quite different from what we've seen for the sprue contents.

cincydooley wrote:Yeah. This years "miss" should be a Neverborn or Arcanstic.

I'd personally like a Miss LeToe as a holiday arcanist showgirl.

This is a fantastic idea, and I don't even play Arcanists (though I do own full Ramos and Kaeris crews, and have an eye on Collette and Rasputina).

Alfndrate wrote:Miss Fired, Guild Riflewoman

We need to push for 2 "Miss ____"'s per year, too many good ideas flowing.

I think a Miss Erichorde would make a quality one for the never born; replace Tuco, give her a hand with needle like claws behind her back.

They've got to do something soon, right?

oh dear,

I actually thought things were starting to improve content wise

Shame it's not convincing the backers

To be fair, they may be wary of the 'too much success' syndrome?

Maybe they've achieved what they've wanted?

I think they've hinted at/said that at some point?

The trends from the last 7 days is still worrisome though.

Average per day model needs to exclude the first three days as they are clearly anomalous.

 Alpharius wrote:
To be fair, they may be wary of the 'too much success' syndrome?

Maybe they've achieved what they've wanted?

I think they've hinted at/said that at some point?

The trends from the last 7 days is still worrisome though.

Actually I'm not really that suprised, I'm actually suprised the post christmas kickstarter dropoff wasn't bigger.

 Alpharius wrote:
To be fair, they may be wary of the 'too much success' syndrome?

Maybe they've achieved what they've wanted?

I think they've hinted at/said that at some point.

Yeah, you're right, and that's one of the most irritating things about this KS. Effin thing is going to be lucky to hit 200k. Think they'll have the balls to leave the creature compendium out?

Also, looking at their "stretch goals" they must have really thought this thing was going to hit $250k. As it stands, no digital copy. No advanced pursuits. No skirmish model stats.

Sort of shocking how poorly this thing has been run.

It really is!

I was mildly somewhat interested in this at the start, but there just hasn't been 'enough' (be it 'stuff', interest from the company, etc.) to get me to go from "casual fan contemplating a purchase" to "willing to spend $125+".

Again, maybe they were just after the hardcore Wyrdos and that's it?

 Alpharius wrote:
To be fair, they may be wary of the 'too much success' syndrome?

Maybe they've achieved what they've wanted?

I think they've hinted at/said that at some point?

The trends from the last 7 days is still worrisome though.

The curious thing is... they really haven't achieved what the claim they needed to;


As of right now, they are only funding the 2 core books, and, frankly, they are pretty sad offerings. From the pledge levels, it's been implied that the estimated retail price will be $35-40 for the core books, which will be (according to their chart) 200 page paperbacks missing some fairly fundamental things. "Advanced pursuits", which strikes me as the equivalent of D&D Paragon Paths, seem like they would be very sorely missed. No "creature catalogue", no stats for the existing models... the books as they claim they can produce them are looking mighty thin indeed. Which is not to say I actually expect that list to accurately reflect the books at retail, just what they claim they will look like.

What's fascinating about how this all has proceeded is the way for every addition, Wyrd has done something to take the shine off it psychologically.

People want stretch goals? Stretch goals go up and they have things like "a pad of paper" and "Digital Copies (at $250,000!)".

They tease adding the Santana model for days, then when they add it... it's a) limited to the highest pledge level, and b) contingent on increasing their existing number of pledges at that level by almost 50%. As of right now, no-one is getting the Santana model. (N.B., according to comments in the campaign, 5 days ago there were 355 backers at the $225 level. Today there are 361, 6 additional backers over the better part of a week.)

The things that are definite winners (like the concept art for the model kits) came out of nowhere and were late, weeks too late. For the best part of the campaign they let people think that the pledge levels actually contained less they they did (not that even now they contain much...).

Now, of course, they are aggressively putting out the designer to give insight into the game. Which is cool, very interesting, but it doesn't really add a lot of "pizazz" as it were. It's not to say it's not good... it just doesn't really fix any of the problems the campaign suffers from. Anyone looking at this is going to make a decision based on 2 things: first, what they know about Wyrd, and second, how good the deal is.

As people mentioned earlier in the thread, Wyrd pretty much already has a good reputation and people trust them to deliver a quality product. So putting Mack Martin out to talk it up doesn't really add anything from the consumer psychology point of view. So Martin expounding on how things work may be changing some minds on the margins, but for the most part, he's just describing things that people reasonably expect are going to be present.

That is to say: I know there is going to be a magic system. Because it's an RPG in a magic universe. Does it really matter all that much exactly how that magic system works when you're wondering if you should buy a year ahead of time?

On the other hand, what has been the complaint since day one? That the deal, for lack of a better word, simply isn't very good: there isn't value for money. A couple of days ago people in the comments were talking about how a player's guide only was missed, and it's almost amazing: there really are no options for people that only want to play.

That's not even to mention just how aggressively hostile this campaign is towards new backers: realistically speaking, anyone that pledges now is getting ripped off. Seriously, considering how low the overall value is, the Miss T mini is a huge component of pledge value. Simply adding her back for the rest of the campaign (and not at the $225 level only!) would be a huge boost. Why not?

There is just something very odd about how all of this has been gone about. The only thing that really makes any sense is they they feel that there are enough hardcore Wyrd fans that they simply don't have to try to convert fence-sitters and those that regard Wyrd with a more casual attitude.

What makes all this so odd is that most people don't report that Wyrd is a bad company on the corporate level. They normally have a lot of outreach to the community and have a dedicated group of volunteers to promote their games. Why waste this opportunity to grow their brand? It just is all so odd.

 Alpharius wrote:
It really is!

I was mildly somewhat interested in this at the start, but there just hasn't been 'enough' (be it 'stuff', interest from the company, etc.) to get me to go from "casual fan contemplating a purchase" to "willing to spend $125+".

Again, maybe they were just after the hardcore Wyrdos and that's it?

I guess. Apparently the close to a grand we have invested in the game doesn't make me hardcore enough to blindly drink the kool-aid like some of the others. Ill probably be another lost backer unless something drastic changes in the next few days.

11 days to go, so who knows, but I can see a lot more 'Negative Momentum' in the next few days if things don't change.

I've already made the decision to drop my backing for the $60 pledge. I just haven't done it yet. The money is going to Kingdom Death. I only kept it on because I think I wanted the Miss Terious figure. I don't know how many people are in the same boat as me.

If the books end up being good, I'll pick it up for MSRP from my LGS.
I love Malifaux to the point of being a borderline fanboy, but this campaign has convinced me I'm simply just a fan.

People that want freebies from Kickstarter may be called "entitled". Point is, we, the backers, are still taking a risk with our money. Most people will be able to pick up these source books for around $60 after all the reviews are out both professionally and by word-of-mouth. We, the backers, are taking a leap of faith based on the hope of a quality product relevant to my interests. I have faith that Wyrd will make a quality product, but they have yet to convince me or many other people whether this quality will be worth the price of admission and whether this quality will be relevant to our interests.

I play a decent amount of Roleplaying Games, and just as other games, the genres differ quite a lot. Personally, I enjoy tactical-map RPGs like D&D more than the storytelling games like what White Wolf (Vampire: The Masuerade et al.) makes. I honestly still have no idea how this Through the Breach fits in. I understand the setting quite well, but the other mechanics are such an ephemeral mess right now that I'm not sure if I'll like it.
The freebies that everyone has been clamoring for are to satisfy or sway those fence-sitters that aren't sure if they're getting what they want. Some people aren't sure if they want to pledge, but the freebies convince them to pledge. Some people are already pledged, but aren't sure if they want to continue. The freebies and stretch goals are there to grab these people.

The Miss Terious offer was arguably one of the things that may have harmed this campaign. Tons of people hopped on during the days when this figure was available. Some of these were rabid Malifaux fans that wanted the figure. Many, such as myself, just wanted to sit on our pledges knowing it's a nearly risk-free way of getting a rare figure if this campaign ended up having satisfactory value.
To me, it has not.
Unless Wyrd does something, I'm afraid that there are going to be many more pledge drops. It's unlikely that it'll crash terribly, but it's just as unlikely that it'll achieve the 200k+ pledge content.

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1334239018/through-the-breach-a-malifaux-roleplaying-game/#chart-daily
It's not looking like it's going to be surging anytime soon, and the Kickstarter is already sub-200k.

Wyrd, I love you, but I think it's time we started seeing other people...

I'm still on the fence myself as to whether or not I should stay in this campaign. I have jumped in early because, yanno, pledge early, reap the most rewards and all that jazz. Personally, I'm getting the vibe that the organizers are content with what they got right now and do not wish to overstretch.

As mentioned above, the written content on offer is rather lacklustre for a roleplaying game, especially the fluff, which is locked away at a level that we will not see happening. Which is a fething shame, as I was in it for the fluff. Also, 200 pages per book? Maybe I'm spoiled by the line of RPG books done by FFG, but that isn't a lot. Sure, I'm also in it for the minis, but when those rules will not see the light of day.. Why should I even bother?

First off, I have to say I'm a secret backer level and have yet to truly drink the kool-aid, and in fact have been one of the loudest to point out their many issues. I pledged that much because I like the $225 level and I also thought it would be really awesome to get my character's picture done (I love their artist). Do I feel ripped off I'm not going to get all the sweet extras at the higher stretches? Sorta...but only because they made them out of reach and inane. I feel much more ripped off at their action plan for the books. They already had all those charts on how the books would lay out months ago. Why did they wait till it was 1/2 way over to post them?? Or the sketches of the multipose minis that are a CORE ITEM??


@Buzzsaw & BrookM - You two are correct. I stated weeks ago after learning the hard truth when Nathan made his ridiculous PR post that we aren't backers, we aren't investors...we are simply customers. They are going to make this game with or without our money, so there is absolutely no incentive for them to give out anything extra. In short, they stated they don't need us.


The Santana Goal is literally just an insult to us, since they waited till there was what, 14 days left to put it out there? They have to know there aren't 150 more backers out in the aether willing to drop $225 on such a high pledge level for such random rewards (not everyone really wants a sack doll). Its also a few days post-Xmas, so anyone who really wanted it has already pledged. There may be a few more who might be waiting for their next paycheck, but I don't see that number climbing past 375. They should have just added her to the $225 tier and been done with it. Instead its a slowed 'mini-stretch goal' designed to boost their high end pledge level. Simply insulting.


I could tell we were not going to even come close to the $250k mark weeks ago when the steep drop-off hit and the complaints first started. A shame, I really wanted PDFs and the tree. At this point I would be shocked if they push past $200K.


I don't even bother to post on the KS comments anymore, since it doesn't really matter. The cultists will just come to the defense anyway. Someone just made a comment that they think its been "pretty successful" since its 6x the goal amount. Nevermind that the $30k goal was just an arbitrary number Mack pulled out of his head when this began. He explained that in the very first BSC. As a whole, the true test of whether it was successful or not is "did they run out of material to fund?". Not by a long shot. As it is, the KS hasn't really moved in weeks, and though the RPG may be a green light (which it was regardless), the KS should be considered a failure.


Sad...so sad. Despite the best efforts of those who wanted to see this do so well, Wyrd has gone out of their way to shoot themselves in the face time and time again. Oh well, back to putting Dreadball mini's together.

I am just dumb founded.

I was very happy that they are creating a malifaux rpg (the setting is just awsome). But when I saw the pledges I had something like ok let's start at 60. Cause well why more? Most arguments have already been raised and I can't fathom to why no one has intervened at some point (from malifaux themselves). I actually think there won't be a end sprint but an end dive. due to people realizing they're are not getting a tree or whatever at the end. One of the things that makes the 125$ deal overal "worthwhile". I never understood the blindness of certain fanboys. I am not negative or anything however. I am realistc enough to see when a company is really trying and pushing hard, or just well using all the good faith or lack of it and they have to push things through. (maybe it be cost increases, bad quality models or what not) Hence the fall in 40k and Fantasy. No matter how hardcore you are at some point you just have to notice.

And up untill now Malifaux for me did everything according to sound plan and good judgement. But this RPG seems so bad in terms of. We have an idea!!!! We don't know how it will look feel or be rulewise. But we want your money anyway to fund it (wich they can easily fund themselves regardles of an KS or not)
You get a spell list as information well that was amazing (sarcasm). Cause you have nothing to hold up against in terms of what the system might actually be.

A lost chance to incorperate rpg fans into the malifaux miniature game and vice versa

Cause if it does'nt reach 250k I won't be backing it by far.

It won't hit the 250k, it wont even reach the 200k, simple as that.

Well up untill the end I will keep the pledge alive and I know what I will do if it does'nt reach the 250k target and no I don't think it will ever reach the 250k either.

 Alpharius wrote:
It really is!

I was mildly somewhat interested in this at the start, but there just hasn't been 'enough' (be it 'stuff', interest from the company, etc.) to get me to go from "casual fan contemplating a purchase" to "willing to spend $125+".

Again, maybe they were just after the hardcore Wyrdos and that's it?

But I don't think that the pledge levels themselves are the problem.

Average pledge per backer on this is barely half of what it is for Kingdom Death, DreadBall, Relic Knights, etc.. .

They just went about it in a psychologically bad way, asking people to buy in at the high price at once (and as fast as possible), instead of "hooking" them with a "easy to just pledge" level that's comfortably in the "impulse buy" zone and then gradually persuading backers to spend more.

With Sedition Wars and Dreadball I felt two things were happening when I pledged.

Firstly, that I was helping to improve the core game for everybody. More money for extra tooling meant better chits, more sculpts, etc. My pledge mattered...it made a difference.

Secondly, I was getting a benefit with some extra figures, etc. with the option to buy a few cool additions.

With this KS I just feel as if my pledge really doesn't matter. They are going to make the game with those features in it - if they don't the game simply wont' work, IMHO. I could be doing other stuff with that money between now and the game's release...and then just buy it at retail.

Hence my withdrawal of my pledge.

Mack has already stated what will happen if the page/book goals don't get met. They will simply be added into later books instead of the core books. I just think this will make the rule books feel clunky and incomplete though, with vital info missing until the other books come out.

Just not sure what they were thinking.